2014 United Sports Car Championship

[cnd01]

That's not true about the sponsors, groups like F1 know people will pay to watch that's why Bernie went to pay tv only basically and their viewership has yet to dramatically drop off due to it. F1fanatic has great articles on viewership that prove they've stayed basically in the same area as before. Pay tv in many places tends to not have commercials and yet F1 has the biggest sponsors in the world on their cars because of investors not the fans really. Same with most top tier sports. In the U.S. I guess you can make the claim for that, but premium cable isn't cheap in most areas that you'd have to get to have FS1 and FS2 or NBCSN so if they really cared about Sponsor air time they'd put it back on regular package television for everyone. They don't though because of investors.

As for the negative vs positives. I'm just being a realist, if they do good things I say it if they don't I don't. The topic was IMSA broadcasting, which I don't think is a positive just like NASCAR and Indy and most U.S. television. If you want a positive from me on IMSA, I'd say they're doing a better job with cautions then before in the season. Sorry but the real world deals with real world views that's why I do what I do.

I'm too cheap to pay for FS2 (no reason to double my monthly bill getting a lot of channels I don't watch just for 1 channel), and I do not watch pay per view because I'm not paying for something I already pay for. That's my view.

I'm a realist when it comes to expectations, and I set my expectations low. Imsa has gone beyond what I expected so far. Plus, I know that no amount of whining and talking about how crappy I think the series is on an online forum changes a damn thing about it other than possibly turning other people off to the series which is the opposite of what needs to be done to grow the series and the sport in general

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'm too cheap to pay for FS2 (no reason to double my monthly bill getting a lot of channels I don't watch just for 1 channel), and I do not watch pay per view because I'm not paying for something I already pay for. That's my view.

I'm a realist when it comes to expectations, and I set my expectations low. Imsa has gone beyond what I expected so far. Plus, I know that no amount of whining and talking about how crappy I think the series is on an online forum changes a damn thing about it other than possibly turning other people off to the series which is the opposite of what needs to be done to grow the series and the sport in general

Pay TV overseas is premium cable here, it's not the same like you think. No one is talking about Pay-per view.

 

[cnd01]

Pay TV overseas is premium cable here, it's not the same like you think. No one is talking about Pay-per view.

Regardless, it's not worth it at all in my books. That's more money I have in my pocket. I can settle for a few more ads here and there.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Regardless, it's not worth it at all in my books. That's more money I have in my pocket. I can settle for a few more ads here and there.

I agree it's not that's why I got rid of it all and just watch online, if TUDOR gets better I may get cable and watch it.

 

[cnd01]

I agree it's not that's why I got rid of it all and just watch online, if TUDOR gets better I may get cable and watch it.

I do stream+broadcast when I can find a safe stream. If not, I have no issues staying with the broadcast only. Of course, going to races is the ideal situation

 

[01GTP]

but I like to look at the positives rather than dwell on how crappy everything is. I could sit here and write 400 pages worth of beef that I have with IMSA, or I could focus on the positives and support the series accepting that it's not perfect.

I'm the same way, why dwell on negatives.
Haters gonna hate. Show them a man walking on water and they'll say it's because he can't swim.

I've never been able to get the enjoyment out of a stream that I get on tv. Could just be me.

It is not only you.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'm the same way, why dwell on negatives.
Haters gonna hate. Show them a man walking on water and they'll say it's because he can't swim.

It is not only you.

What...? So we're haters now?

Suprisingly, International motorsports coverage is actually getting slightly better (just not on FS1.) I found out that CBS Sports Network is constantly showing DTM and FIA GT coverage (and in much longer viewing package then the typical one hour highlights we got in december-January on Speed) and they air these year around starting right after the weekend the race happened. WRC is getting coverage here in the US via MAV TV, and Live might I add. Unfortunately as usual for US coverage of Moto GP, it only has superb pre-race and post race coverage when the series visits COTA, Laguna Seca and Indy (just as V8 Supercars did last year in their first US race Via simulcast on Speed in the US and 7 network in Austrailia).

I forgot you had told me about that a month or two ago in the DTM thread, so I have to agree them it may be getting better.

 

[01GTP]

Are you being positive or negative?

It's your call.

If your negative, call it a hater.

If your being positive, don't.

I call it as I see it.

Nothing personal.

This is about TV commercials, which if you don't watch TV......................?

And someone's way around TV broadcasting by using the internet, which I am a hater of.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Are you being positive or negative?

It's your call.

If your negative, call it a hater.

If your being positive, don't.

I call it as I see it.

Nothing personal.

This is about TV commercials, which if you don't watch TV......................?

And someone's way around TV broadcasting by using the internet, which I am a hater of.

Seems quite naive, I think people have it right to not like 75+ minutes of commercials where only 7-10 minutes between said commercials is racing. That's a realistic reason to be upset, seeing commercials over and over is annoying, we get if you want us to by our home items at Home Depot or shop at Walmart and on and on.

You're not calling it like you see it your being childish, if people just nitpicked and had nothing good to say I could see that then being purely hate. I'm being neither positive or negative, just honest if you don't like that some people don't sugar coat reality like others do for you to save you from hurtful truth, sorry. I think IMSA have improved certain things and there are certain things that can still use it, that's reality.

 

[AnthonyD1993]

Since the commercials seem to be a hot topic, I'll say this (my opinion)- I'd rather have a lot of commercials and have the race on TV than have none and not be able to see it on TV.

 

[cnd01]

Since the commercials seem to be a hot topic, I'll say this (my opinion)- I'd rather have a lot of commercials and have the race on TV than have none and not be able to see it on TV.

A live race at that. Pretty much my opinion here

 

[01GTP]

I'm being neither positive or negative, just honest if you don't like that

So why did you respond to my post?
My post was not a reply to your post.
Nor did I directly call you anything in that post.
I need no saving at all, especially from the truth. Whatever that may be.
Blame the TV industry for commercials if you need to blame someone. Truth is, that's the way it is.
The commercials do not bother me at all. You realized they do bother you and moved on.

I think IMSA have improved certain things and there are certain things that can still use it, that's reality.

Um, yup.

Since the commercials seem to be a hot topic, I'll say this (my opinion)- I'd rather have a lot of commercials and have the race on TV than have none and not be able to see it on TV.

Yup, all the way!!!!

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Since the commercials seem to be a hot topic, I'll say this (my opinion)- I'd rather have a lot of commercials and have the race on TV than have none and not be able to see it on TV.

I still don't understand why those are the only alternatives, it being on TV or not at all. Is this the only racing series you guys watch?

 

[RACECAR]

I don't so much have a problem with Commercials in general (hell its what I've seen all my life), my annoyance is the amount of commercials solely on Fox Sports 1 during their race broadcast of these races. Do we really a small intermission for "a message" from GM or BMW or Chrysler/SRT only for a minute or two later to go to a full commercial break? That seems to be the only channel that does this, in addition to the seemingly more commericials it shows in comparison to NBC's race coverage of F1 and Indycar and those races feature the Side-by-Side coverage. Just seems excessive to me.

As far as streaming goes, I'll gladly use if it works and I can watch what I actually want to watch. So I could go either way.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

So why did you respond to my post?
My post was not a reply to your post.
Nor did I directly call you anything in that post.
I need no saving at all, especially from the truth. Whatever that may be.
Blame the TV industry for commercials if you need to blame someone. Truth is, that's the way it is.
The commercials do not bother me at all. You realized they do bother you and moved on.

Because the logic or rationality being used isn't all that wise, and though it wasn't a direct quote to anyone person you were basically calling those complaining haters. This includes me and others who had similar comments. Better question is if it's not an issue for you then why make a post calling people haters? No one said you need saving from the truth, I'm not some religious group...I can understand people not caring and that's fine, it's when those people decide to speak up and say "why the hell are you complaining" or "people gonna hate, cause they haters" that others will take your call out.

You don't want an argument don't supply me with your fodder or trite.

I don't so much have a problem with Commercials in general (hell its what I've seen all my life), my annoyance is the amount of commercials solely on Fox Sports 1 during their race broadcast of these races. Do we really a small intermission for "a message" from GM or BMW or Chrysler/SRT only for a minute or two later to go to a full commercial break? That seems to be the only channel that does this, in addition to the seemingly more commericials it shows in comparison to NBC's race coverage of F1 and Indycar and those races feature the Side-by-Side coverage. Just seems excessive to me.

As far as streaming goes, I'll gladly use if it works and I can watch what I actually want to watch. So I could go either way.

Not to count the fact that the cars that are actually distinguishable to the general public (GTLM and GTD) is already enough brand placement without the breaks.

 

[AnthonyD1993]

I still don't understand why those are the only alternatives, it being on TV or not at all. Is this the only racing series you guys watch?

Nope. I watch NASCAR a lot and the WRC once in a while. I also occasionally watch V8 Supercars (but haven't watched at all this year). However, I pretty much ignored all of the NASCAR races on TNT because I hate their coverage. That being said, I will watch the IMSA replays on YouTube when they put then up when I miss a race on TV. Although I prefer to watch live and stream MRN if the commercial count irritates me.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Nope. I watch NASCAR a lot and the WRC once in a while. I also occasionally watch V8 Supercars (but haven't watched at all this year). However, I pretty much ignored all of the NASCAR races on TNT because I hate their coverage. That being said, I will watch the IMSA replays on YouTube when they put then up when I miss a race on TV. Although I prefer to watch live and stream MRN if the commercial count irritates me.

So the count does irritate you then? Also if you watch WRC and what not then you know there are live streams on the net, as well as TV coverage (not in the states) same for V8s at a reasonable price and with hardly any commercials. So it's not TV or nothing, it'd be nice if IMSA had a live stream just not that ALMS ESPN3 crap before the merger.

 

[01GTP]

I'm being neither positive or negative, just honest to save you from hurtful truth, sorry.

That is how I read it. I may have read between the lines.
You may have also.

And who are those sugar coating reality for me? I don't understand.

Seems quite naive, I think people have it right to not like 75+ minutes of commercials where only 7-10 minutes between said commercials is racing. That's a realistic reason to be upset, seeing commercials over and over is annoying, we get if you want us to by our home items at Home Depot or shop at Walmart and on and on.

You're not calling it like you see it your being childish, if people just nitpicked and had nothing good to say I could see that then being purely hate. I'm being neither positive or negative, just honest if you don't like that some people don't sugar coat reality like others do for you to save you from hurtful truth, sorry. I think IMSA have improved certain things and there are certain things that can still use it, that's reality.

 

[01GTP]

it'd be nice if IMSA had a live stream just not that ALMS ESPN3 crap before the merger.

I believe they do.

Not for the USA, though.

 

[cnd01]

So the count does irritate you then? Also if you watch WRC and what not then you know there are live streams on the net, as well as TV coverage (not in the states) same for V8s at a reasonable price and with hardly any commercials. So it's not TV or nothing, it'd be nice if IMSA had a live stream just not that ALMS ESPN3 crap before the merger.

It's annoying, but I'd rather watch that than have to sit stationary with my laptop and hope a stream is working alright

 

[AnthonyD1993]

Commercials usually don't irritate me that much unless there is a class battle that I can't see due to commercials- then I go to a radio stream. The only time that I focus solely on a live stream is when I can't get access to a TV broadcast.

 

[RACECAR]

So the count does irritate you then? Also if you watch WRC and what not then you know there are live streams on the net, as well as TV coverage (not in the states) same for V8s at a reasonable price and with hardly any commercials. So it's not TV or nothing, it'd be nice if IMSA had a live stream just not that ALMS ESPN3 crap before the merger.

Actually:

http://www.mavtv.com/shows/fia-world-rally.html

So there's US coverage

I have this on one of the lower TV packages of Dish so I can confirm its not exclusive to the big dollar packages (Unlike FS2).

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

It's annoying, but I'd rather watch that than have to sit stationary with my laptop and hope a stream is working alright

This isn't the day of dial ups or lower quality DSL, so most times streams aren't an issue unless it's like Le Mans where tons of people are streaming at the same time.

Actually:

http://www.mavtv.com/shows/fia-world-rally.html

So there's US coverage

I have this on one of the lower TV packages of Dish so I can confirm its not exclusive to the big dollar packages (Unlike FS2).

Oh sorry I didn't know, I'm use to cable and wouldn't touch satellite television with a long pole, hell I barely want to touch cable with same said long pole. As I said cable wise you can't get that channel here in the my city with the current providers Cox being the biggest doesn't have it part of any package it's just not part of their line up and they even say so. Also it's not on Century Link either.

Furthermore, I get it some of you like it others don't my main issue was the comparison made be cnd but we've hashed that out.

 

[cnd01]

Speaking of the races on tv, the Conti CTMP broadcast is this Sunday July 20th 10 a.m. eastern!

 

[GTPorsche]

More exciting than trying to keep up with which Fox Sports channel is covering each race and at which moments in time...

It's the Magnus Racing CTMP summary.

http://www.magnusracing.com/news/20...-toronto-mayor-rob-ford-at-canadian-tire.html

 

[Müle]

http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/105559-imsa-state-of-the-union-prototype

Shank wants to drop Mosport before I even get a chance to go smh.

 

[AnthonyD1993]

After either reading or skimming all of those articles, there sure seems to be a lot of love for Mid-Ohio.

 

[IforceV8]

Maybe Shank should be reading the hostage script/commercial promos instead of Varsha since it clearly sound like he was forced at gunpoint to take Ford's money and field a DP car.

 

[cnd01]

Get Varsha out of the booth. He belongs in F1. Get Diffey back, and the broadcast will pick up.

I really liked what was said about how they need to cut classes down. Get rid of PC now.

It seems like the same things are still being said now that were said a year ago. I hope the budgets can be contained more, or else we've got no chance of a decent Prototype grid going forward.

Shank was on the money about penalties as well. Penalize enough of the wrong people, and you run people off

Still positive though. Not going to sit here and be negative like some people. It's moving right along well

 

[RACECAR]

Get Varsha out of the booth. He belongs in F1. Get Diffey back, and the broadcast will pick up.

That's not happening with Diffey in a multi-year deal with NBC. Never saw anything wrong with Bob Varsha calling the Sports car races, he's done it for a while and way before he started doing F1.