Favorite Japanese Car

[ving]

Originally posted by BadBatsuMaru
There's just no way you've seen a 1360 HP street legal Skyline. Sorry. It sure as hell wouldn't be street legal in the US, and if a 1360 HP Skyline even exists, I'm sure it's so heavily modified that there's no point in calling it a Skyline anymore.

*cough *

 

[Shinez In Affec]

Ving what are you talking about that looks NOTHING like a skyline anymore...I mean..The tail lights are obviously from a impala..And the headlights from......a.....2002 Accord!...it's no way a skyline..Not one bit....

 

[ving]

fool!!


whats with allthe name changes d00d?

 

[Shinez In Affec]

They keep banning me man...-.-;;

 

[ving]

thats just plain evil!!!

why?

 

[BadBatsuMaru]

Anyway, I'm going with the NSX, because it handles so well (and it's the only one I've actually driven).

The NSX and RX-7 are the only cool cars on the list. The Skyline is definitely a good car, but it just looks like an uglier, boxier version of the Mustang to me (but at least the Mustang has a V-8).

I really liked the 3000GT and FTO GP Version R in GT2. I remember I got the 3000GT LM from all gold in the IC License, and used that for about half the game. It was a bit of a brick and didn't handle that well, but it was very forgiving and you could just bounce it off the walls.

 

[ving]

no comeback BadBatsuMaru ?

 

[Shinez In Affec]

oh yeah
The resemblence is uncanny!

^-----Skyline??----^

I can't tell?!

 

[BadBatsuMaru]

Originally posted by ving
*cough *

Hmm...

Some things you may have missed in that article:

1. They do not even claim the car is street legal
2. They replaced almost every single part under the hood
3. Where did they come up with 1369hp? They certainly don't mention it being dyno'd. Are they just going by the numbers all those parts say they'll add on the box?
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   Don't get me wrong. That's a really cool car, and 215 MPH is great, but, to bring up my previous example, the 1990 Callaway Sledgehammer is street legal, has 880hp and can maintain a top speed of 254.7 MPH. So how, I ask you, is it possible that this "Skyline" was made specifically for top speed, it has 489 more hp power, but it is 40 MPH slower?
   
   You see, that was exactly my point. It's not street legal, it's barely a Skyline anymore, and it was never dyno'd at 1360hp.
   
   It may be true (and I would certainly agree) most Skylines are better cars than 3000GT's, but citing an article such as that as some sort of evidence is just asinine.

 

[BadBatsuMaru]

Shinez: And those pictures prove another point... Skylines have really cool taillights and Mustangs have ugly taillights. Other than that, I think they're both ugly cars.

Maybe ugly isn'g the right word, but they're certainly not exotic or attractive like an NSX or 3rd gen RX-7.

 

[BadBatsuMaru]

And the only other thing I can really say is...

OMG! SOMEBODY HELP! THE POLL RESULTS WERE RIGHT, THIS FORUM IS OVERRUN BY SKYLINE FANBOYS!

 

[Shinez In Affec]

Originally posted by BadBatsuMaru
Hmm...

Some things you may have missed in that article:

1. They do not even claim the car is street legal
2. They replaced almost every single part under the hood
3. Where did they come up with 1369hp? They certainly don't mention it being dyno'd. Are they just going by the numbers all those parts say they'll add on the box?
   [/list=1]
   Don't get me wrong. That's a really cool car, and 215 MPH is great, but, to bring up my previous example, the 1990 Callaway Sledgehammer is street legal, has 880hp and can maintain a top speed of 254.7 MPH. So how, I ask you, is it possible that this "Skyline" was made specifically for top speed, it has 489 more hp power, but it is 40 MPH slower?
   
   You see, that was exactly my point. It's not street legal, it's barely a Skyline anymore, and it was never dyno'd at 1360hp.
   
   It may be true (and I would certainly agree) most Skylines are better cars than 3000GT's, but citing an article such as that as some sort of evidence is just asinine.

1. 
   
   "To most, the factory six-speed transmission would be sufficient for any type of driving, but not for VeilSide. No, no, no - VeilSide tosses the Nissan tranny in favor of a Hollinger six-speed sequential transmission. Further aiding power to the ground are an Ogura clutch, Cusco limited slip, HKS axles, and a VeilSide driveshaft. They operate together better than clockwork, making certain that all 1,360 hp are put to good use.
   
   Second..the car is the Veilside STREET Drag Car, of course it doesn't pass emissions...but if the titan supra is considered "street legal"...So is this...
   
   They replaces every single part under the hood...Lol..What do you think they got 1360 HP off of stock injectors and a regular nissan Six speed? If you think they COULD or they SHOULD then you should slap yourself..
   
   As far as the calloway goes.."street legal"..did it pass emissions? I doubt it...and don't forget that the Vieslide Street Drag Skyline is still AWD, the calloway wasn't..And I don't know if you know this..but AWD takes away from the top end department, and you can't forget that they might have geared it more towards "consistancy" instead of "Hey I can run it 2 times and then it'll pop....yeah the calloway could do it...but it was ALOT less stress on the engine since it was a V8...Everything on the inside asside from the crank was used 1/4th less than everyone on the inside of the skyline therefore it's reliability is increased over the skyline...
   
   you saying "that car is barely a Skyline"....You've got to be joking me...Honestly..If top fuel funny cars..with Mustang SHELL'S can still be called "Mustangs"...this Unibody STREET LEGAL top speed Skyline with it's ORIGINAL ENGINE original CHASSIS original frame!!!! is still VERY much a skyline
   
   
   
   -----Edit-----
   
   As far as the "polls showing everyone is a skyline fanboy"
   
   I'm in love with the NSX-R too if you couldn't tell by my signature...I know it almost inside and out.... I know that the honda NSX can handle more lateral G's than a skyline..I know the Honda NSX makes more stock HP than a skyline..I know the Honda NSX run's the quarter mile faster stock for stock than a skyline..I know the NSX has better weight distribution than the skyline..I know the honda NSX is 80% handmade, while the skyline isn't....The point is...How many Honda NSX's have 1360 HP?...How many honda NSX's can make 800HP on a stock bottom end...How many Honda NSX's are 4 Seaters? How many Honda NSX's respond as well to forced induction?....NONE...That is why people vote for the skyline..Not because they know nothing about the other cars..

 

[BadBatsuMaru]

You're doing nothing more than proving my points all over again. They never claimed to have dyno'd the car -- it looks like they're pulling the numbers straight out of their asses.

Originally posted by Shinez In Affec
Second..the car is the Veilside STREET Drag Car, of course it doesn't pass emissions...

See, at this point, you're actually agreeing with the fact that skylineGTR_guy was full of shít when he said he had seen a street-legal Skyline with 1360hp.

And yes, as a matter of fact, the Callaway Sledgehammer does pass emmissions. It is a legitimate production car that Callaway has sold hundreds of. It's ridiculous for you to say the Skyline those guys cooked up in their garage has "less stress" on its abused little 6-cylinder engine than the production Sledgehammer's 880hp V8.

Originally posted by Shinez In Affec
you saying "that car is barely a Skyline"....You've got to be joking me...Honestly..If top fuel funny cars..with Mustang SHELL'S can still be called "Mustangs"...this Unibody STREET LEGAL top speed Skyline with it's ORIGINAL ENGINE original CHASSIS original frame!!!! is still VERY much a skyline

Where did that come from? Top Fuel cars obviously have nothing to do with the cars they're supposed to represent. Nobody is stupid enough to think a Mustang funny car is actually a Mustang.

 

[HsV_CoUpE]

badbatsumaru stop bagging the skyline until u can get prrof that a 1360 hp skyline doesnt exist.

now stop yo whinin biatch b4 i pop a cap in yo arse


ving said

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OI OI OI

 

[Shinez In Affec]

Originally posted by BadBatsuMaru
You're doing nothing more than proving my points all over again. They never claimed to have dyno'd the car -- it looks like they're pulling the numbers straight out of their asses.

I'm wondering how you get that impression, i mean seriously. When Turbo gives the power on a car, that's exactly how they encorperate it into the article..The thing is IT"S AN ARTICLE..it's not a spec sheet, it's not a diagnostic sheet..it's an article ..Phrases like "And they brought it to the dynometer and it was measued at 1360.5 HP at all the wheels"...That is moronic.

See, at this point, you're actually agreeing with the fact that
skylineGTR_guy was full of shít when he said he had seen a street-legal Skyline with 1360hp.[/B]

The car IS street legal, that is what I said...the car doesn't have to "meet emissions" to be considered street legal there buddy, and second...Florida has no emissions laws..so the car would be legal there...The car still meets all the saftey requirments unless they put a fiberglass front end on the car, which they didn't because the pictures show the front end isn't one piece..That also means there is a core support...meaning it meets saftey standards....And I gaurentee you the calloway corvette doesn't meet "emission standards" in every state...of course there's going to be an except..FLORIDA..because there is none......in Arizona it wouldn't....A 86 Caprice Classic with 1 messed up valve wouldn't pass emissions..how would a sledghammer corvette?

And yes, as a matter of fact, the Callaway Sledgehammer does pass emmissions. It is a legitimate production car that Callaway has sold hundreds of. It's ridiculous for you to say the Skyline those guys cooked up in their garage has "less stress" on its abused little 6-cylinder engine than the production Sledgehammer's 880hp V8.

it's rediculous to point out the mathematical truths?...you're telling the the calloway vette was just your run of the mill vette with 880HP out of a 5.7 Liter Twin turbo engine so it had more stress than this Skyline?..You've got to be kidding me...
Does the vette rev to 8500 RPM's?....I doubt it..Even if it did it would STILL have less stress on the motor, because the 8500 RPM's would be the result of 8 pistons moving up and down, thus less for each piston to actually move...Therefore the vette does have 1/4th less stress on the motor right off the bat...And don't say "Production"....approximately 35 corvette's under Project "SledgeHammer" were created...Not hundreds

Where did that come from? Top Fuel cars obviously have nothing to do with the cars they're supposed to represent. Nobody is stupid enough to think a Mustang funny car is actually a Mustang.

Lol...Then if I were you i'd call up Speed Channel and all of the drag racing industry, and tell them to stop putting Castrol GTX Ford Mustang on the TV screen when John Force is going to race...As a matter of fact..you can write a letter to www.nhra.com...Becase they're wrong too.


http://www.nhra.com/2003/news/January/010801.html

 

[HsV_CoUpE]

wow go shinez...thats what i call whoopin his arse

 

[Shinez In Affec]

Oooooh HSV..You said "ARSE"..I'm gonna report you and get you banned like I was...-.-;;

 

[HsV_CoUpE]

is that wat u got banned 4??? geez bit harsh

 

[Shinez In Affec]

No i got banned for...Not editing my posts or something...

 

[BadBatsuMaru]

Shinez:
Give me a break. You're just trying too hard at this point. Most of what you're saying is too laughable to bother responding to.

Again, let me point out for the 9 millionth time that my original statement was simply that it was BS that there is a 1360hp street legal Skyline out there, and again let me point out that even you agree that this Skyline is not street legal. Wait a minute, now you just contradicted yourself! Now you're saying it is street legal but would fail emmissions. I don't think I care enough to try to explain to you that a car isn't street legal just because it has a front bumper.

And PLEASE! This is an article about juicing up a car, and they don't even attempt to legitimize the statement that is has 1369hp. Even crappy magazine like Import Tuner gives dyno numbers in every article. 1369hp is a ridiculous number, especially for a 6-cylinder, and they would definitely be showing some evidence, because it would be quite an accomplishment.

And you're actually bothering to try and tell me how a 1369hp 6-cylinder would have "less stress" on the engine than an 880hp V-8 that is produced in quantity. There's no use responding to that.

And you need to stop it with this funny car business, because it's just sad. My point was that your argument was irrelevant. A Mustang funny car that did 900 MPH would not mean Mustangs were fast cars, because the two have nothing in common.

I've had enough of this, Skyline Fanboy. It's impossible to argue with someone who is just going to keep pulling out random absurd stuff like that. If someone doesn't put an end to this discussion, you'll probably start posting links to a GeoCities site saying there is an 8,000hp Skyline that runs 4.95. After all, I can't prove that an 8,000hp Skyline doesn't exist, can I?

I can certainly see why you keep getting banned!

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

Originally posted by bengee
i did not say that the vr4 did not have aws...

but i doubt they can give as much thrill as a car that does not need such tech or aws to handle well

I throught the statement above was used to compare the skyline to the VR4

Originally posted by bengee
a car designed for a track i was thinking of something lighter with the same hp... things like tvr, lotus, porsche would produce... (porsche only sometimes) i am sorry but a long.. heavy car canot ever outmatch a light and shorter one as long as the light and short one is balnced well and such and so forth...

then why does the skyline have some of the fastest lap times on the nurburgring? Have you seen how many twists and turns are on that track? it beats out many "lighter cars" ......alot of the weight added on to the skyline is due to it's aerodynamic package which adds alot of weight but it is well worth it....

Originally posted by bengee
its a heavy car iwht aws and awd and a lot of hp which all combines to give less predictability with high revs and turbo... that car cannot be a breeze to control...

oh but it IS a breeze to control...you should honestly see if you can test drive one anywhere....

Originally posted by bengee
i have never driven one and wow you are very lucky to own one... what model... if its a r33.... oh ****... if its a r34 oh man....

I do not own a skyline but will in the near future (mostly due to the fact that pharmacy school is about 100,000 USD) I merely know alot about them and got to drive one that a friend who works at Nissan brought over....RazorGTR (a very knowledgable GTP member who is the only proven person to actually prove he owns a skyline) even sent me skyline manuals...He is a very nice guy and knows alot about skylines....maybee I'll show him this thread....

Originally posted by bengee
to those who think no other car can match it... i am trying to show that that is incorrect...

and yes thats true...I never said the skyline was the best car in the world...I know it's not....I just like it...

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

Originally posted by JoniK
Maybe it's the looks....the Skyline just doesn't look much like a supercar to me, when cars like the NSX and Supra do.

It also could be the handling....I like to drive cars stock, and I don't think the Skyline handles as well when stock compared to the NSX or RX-7.

as I said earlier I'm not going to argue over looks.....

actually I do belive that the skyline has better handling than the NSX and RX-7.....well It has faster lap times on the Nurburgring which is a very twisty track...

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

Originally posted by BadBatsuMaru
I gotta call bullshít on that one.

You're talking about the type of cars that win the World Street Nationals. For example, there's a street legal '95 Camaro that gets 6.87 sec. at 204 MPH, but that's not very much of a Camaro anymore, is it? Or the Callaway Sledgehammer, which I think is still supposed to have the highest top speed of any street car. Or there's a newer C5 Corvette with a modified 427 c.i. V8 and a twin turbo that puts out 980hp, which as of 2002 I think is supposed to be the highest hp of any street car (and it obviously wouldn't be legal in California).

There's just no way you've seen a 1360 HP street legal Skyline. Sorry. It sure as hell wouldn't be street legal in the US, and if a 1360 HP Skyline even exists, I'm sure it's so heavily modified that there's no point in calling it a Skyline anymore.

With the extent of the modifications required to get a car up to that kind of hp, it really doesn't matter what car it is. It could just as easily be done with a Mitsubishi 3000GT.

I'm just saying your argument isn't relevant. If some guy strapped a rocket onto a Ford Pinto and said it had 3000 hp, that doesn't mean the Pinto is a good car.

well sorry to burst you bubble but there are 7 second drag skylines...8 second street legal skylines and 1360 HP skylines...

first the 7 second skyline:
is is owned by HKS of japan and is a Nissan Skyline R33 GTR its current record is a 7.671@181.98 mph....since you are so skeptical maybee a video will persuade you....In this video it runs a 7.95 @ 181 MPH
http://www.racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=306&p=4



now the 8 second street legal skyline.....
http://www.croydons.co.nz/news.htm



the 1360 hp skyline is owned by Veilside of japan and puts out 1360 hp. It uses two giant HKS GT3240 turbochargers, providing enough charge to handle an awesome 2.7kg boost, about 38psi.
The HKS GT3240 turbo's are rated at 580 ps each...remember it has 2.....dont belive me? see the manufacturer's page for the turbo's:
http://www.hksusa.com/products/?id=1411

you could even take a step up and get a HKS T51R SPL which is rated at 1000 ps....

anything else?

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

Originally posted by BadBatsuMaru
Hmm...

Some things you may have missed in that article:

1. They do not even claim the car is street legal
2. They replaced almost every single part under the hood
3. Where did they come up with 1369hp? They certainly don't mention it being dyno'd. Are they just going by the numbers all those parts say they'll add on the box?
   [/list=1]
   Don't get me wrong. That's a really cool car, and 215 MPH is great, but, to bring up my previous example, the 1990 Callaway Sledgehammer is street legal, has 880hp and can maintain a top speed of 254.7 MPH. So how, I ask you, is it possible that this "Skyline" was made specifically for top speed, it has 489 more hp power, but it is 40 MPH slower?
   
   You see, that was exactly my point. It's not street legal, it's barely a Skyline anymore, and it was never dyno'd at 1360hp.
   
   It may be true (and I would certainly agree) most Skylines are better cars than 3000GT's, but citing an article such as that as some sort of evidence is just asinine.

1. 
   
   another thing....I have a video of that 1360 HP skyline on a 4WD dyno so the results are real.....
   
   on the top speed run the skyline blew a head gasket and was unable to continue...I have a video of that as well.....RazorGTR has even seen this can and he can even tell you it's real....PM him if you don't belive me.....
   
   If you continue to doubt the existence of this skyline why don't you go but a 5 dollar phone card and call veilside?
   
   BTW that article about the skyline was ripped off from super street a car mag here in the US.....what an indiot trying to claim othe peoples work as his own.....

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

god I hate noobs....I see his point but I have proof.... I'm gonna bring razorGTR into this...

 

[HsV_CoUpE]

5 post in a row wow

just couldnt fit it al in one post ey?

thats gotta be a gtp record...in length any way

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

Originally posted by HsV_CoUpE
5 post in a row wow

just couldnt fit it al in one post ey?

thats gotta be a gtp record...in length any way

no I'm to lazy....It's easier to just push the quote button and ramble away instead of copying and pasting everything.....

I get carried away with Skylines....

 

[Shinez the 5th]

Originally posted by BadBatsuMaru
Shinez
And you're actually bothering to try and tell me how a 1369hp 6-cylinder would have "less stress" on the engine than an 880hp V-8 that is produced in quantity. There's no use responding to that.

oh my god you're an idiot..Not once did I say the SKYLINE has less stress...I said the CORVETTE HAS LESS STRESS, your reading comprehension level is amazing

Does the vette rev to 8500 RPM's?....I doubt it..Even if it did it would STILL have less stress on the motor, because the 8500 RPM's would be the result of 8 pistons moving up and down, thus less for each piston to actually move...Therefore the vette does have 1/4th less stress on the motor right off the bat...

but it was ALOT less stress on the engine since it was a V8...Everything on the inside asside from the crank was used 1/4th less than everyone on the inside of the skyline therefore it's reliability is increased over the skyline...

This guy never ceases to amaze me

 

[JoniK]

Originally posted by bengee
i heard finland has some good cars...

well not made there but sold there

Actually, there ARE some good cars made here.....Porsche Boxsters, that is. They're built by a company called Valmet Automotive Oy in a city called Uusikaupunki.

 

[Famine]

Shinez - the reason you're repeatedly being banned, is because you keep re-registering after being told you're not welcome here.

If you were to address the initial reason you were banned with the admins/mods I'm sure you'd be allowed back - with the original username.

Don't keep coming back with new names, because eventually GTP will ban the entire block of IPs that yours is in.

And you rolleyes at someone else? Pffft.

Jonik... How in the HELL do you say that?