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Finished 2nd in the last top split in EMEA (thumbnail). However, I'm here to point out some serious issues:

a) I finished with the best result for Jaguar in EMEA, yet I'm still behind the winner of the second split driver and only just ahead of two third split drivers. How on earth is that fair? Additionally, a Jaguar driver finished 4th in the previous top split, yet he is only FIFTH in the Jaguar standings. How can such a system be used to select drivers who will participate in World Tours and World Finals? It is absolutely ludicrous.

b) A driver disconnected before the same split loaded, which meant that the points tally decreased by approximately 200 points. If this didn't happen, I would be 5th instead of 8th in the EMEA standings, and Jaguar EMEA would've increased the points tally by 3 as we would be ahead of the highest points scorer from Hyundai.
This is serious stuff. EMEA is already at a disadvantage for World Finals/World Tour selection, yet we still may lose out to such issues because other regions could gain more points than us.
Why can't somebody from PD add the additional points that would've been originally available after the round is finished? Seems very lazy and irresponsible to me.
What's worse, this method of calculating points allows drivers to deliberately join splits after they have achieved their best score, and deliberately lower the next slot's points tally. I guarantee you this will happen towards the end of the season. Not everybody is a good sportsman out there. The system equates to having a football match without a referee.

c) Some drivers are deliberately lowering their DR to get into second split, because they know they have a better chance of gaining more points against a less competitive field. This links to point a) nicely. I'm not saying second split winners should receive much points, but the top 5 in top split, minimum, should gain a lot more points than 1st in second split. Consequently, some drivers win a race, then join a daily race/another FIA race and immediately quit once the lobby has started. Whether you call that cheating or not remains a question, but it is certainly incredibly unfair and takes advantage of the atrocious DR system. The World Finals could actually consist of more second/third split drivers than first split. Bonkers.

To those who actually use this 'DR tanking' technique to gain an advantage over their rivals, what are the chances of doing well at a World Tour/Final if you can barely win second/third split in your own region? What is the point of embarrassing yourself, along with letting your manufacturer and teammates down? It's quite simply selfish and pathetic, and even more pathetic if you're at a mature age.
 

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Did some laps at Yamagiwa and I think high 39's is all I got in practice. The Genesis just isn't geared right for this track.
 
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Got this from a discord I'm in. Three tweets in total, worth a look. Team McLaren not doing too hot :O
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Oceania seriously needs to rejoin with Asia. I don’t know how many Australians or Kiwis do FIA but I’m thinking it’s a pretty low number in competitors despite that there are very skilled drivers there. The bottom splits are probably mixed of bad and good rated drivers.

The same can probably be said with South America.
 
I had same issue on manufacturers where everyone leaving the pit lane bounced around the walls and was reset on track and stuck on outlap. Think it was a lag issue from the gt sport servers and then all the bmws ran out of fuel. Within a few laps the whole track was spread out and i was low dr b and put with ss and dr a and still got top severn place. I find when matched with dr a or ss the racing is more clean, in just dr b sr s its a bath or getting to dr a or ss rank lol
 
I got the win in a DR A/B crossover lobby. Good for 1268 points, easily the most points I've ever gotten.

I nailed my qualy lap, only 1/10th off of my best practice time. I started P2, myself and P1 pulled ahead of the rest after the first few laps. P1 was actually a local rival, him and I usually fought for 1st in the local region back when I raced in the Nations Cup.

It looked like I was going to settle for P2 which I would have been happy with anyways, but then for some unknown reason, ending lap 5 P1 pulled into the pits! I was shocked. I guess he went in just out of habit. I asked him after the race and he said he didn't know it was a no-stop......very strange, did you not noticed your tires were almost perfect? A gift of a race win, but I'll take it. Good start to the season getting into the top 100, but really I know I'll just be dropping from here.

It also looks like alot of the top drivers jumped off the VW train for some unknown reason which is a real shame, we finished 7th in the preseason . We really don't have anyone in EMEA it looks like and they really carried us in the pre-season. Slent went over to Mazda. If he knew Akagi was staying with them it was a smart tactical move by him TBH. Akagi nearly carried Mazda into the top 12 by himself, so him and Marzan joining him is going to make Mazda a real threat.

Hopefully SVDR sticks with VW, he told me he "couldn't race this season", I'm not sure if he just meant stage 1 or the entire season. I heard talk of StinkyBug in NA leaving but it looked like he was still signed but did not race the first one. I'm not sure about the Asia and Oceania regions but in EMEA, CSA, and NA we didn't have anyone in the top split.

Hopefully that was just people sitting out round one to see who signs where.

@KONTRAone where have you been, VW needs you!

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If I had more time I'd have replaced the bat symbol with a VW logo, but oh well.
 
Well, either almost nobody signed up for Dodge this season or very few participated in Saturday's MFG race. I finished 11th in the 2nd split lobby for a whopping (s) 942 points, and am sitting in 1st place for Dodge. Haha!

Even though I did finish 2nd for Mazda last season, I highly doubt I'd ever make it to a live event anyway as I'm still way off pace from the top tier aliens. I chose Dodge knowing it wasn't a popular MFG, but I didn't realize it was this dismal. After the race though, it made sense why so many left Dodge because I was struggling with outright pace all over the track. I did several practice races and 2 actual FIA races...didn't see another Dodge the entire time. Hoping Gr.3 is a little better.

At least I'll have a semi-realistic chance of finishing 1st for Dodge. There are a couple guys whose names I recognize and might give me a good run, but based on how it looks now, I should be able to finish in the top few at least. Crossing my fingers that no superstars show up in the 2nd round!
 
McLaren has more drivers than I had anticipated. I could technically get #1 from third split, but that would require me to consistently finish on the podium for 2000+, which is kind of far fetched. Top 5 seems reasonable, but the fact that I'll be unable to do the race that's probably the best points opportunity for McLaren (Le Mans) makes it a lot harder for me. In any case, I think top 10 McLarens in EMEA and top 1 in Greece is doable.

On another note, it's really surprising to me that the our leader has quite a few points more than Toyota's leader (2241 to 1841). Maybe the reduced tire wear has made the 86 less OP and the 650S better? :confused:
 
HERE4BEER3
I got the win in a DR A/B crossover lobby. Good for 1268 points, easily the most points I've ever gotten.

I nailed my qualy lap, only 1/10th off of my best practice time. I started P2, myself and P1 pulled ahead of the rest after the first few laps. P1 was actually a local rival, him and I usually fought for 1st in the local region back when I raced in the Nations Cup.

It looked like I was going to settle for P2 which I would have been happy with anyways, but then for some unknown reason, ending lap 5 P1 pulled into the pits! I was shocked. I guess he went in just out of habit. I asked him after the race and he said he didn't know it was a no-stop......very strange, did you not noticed your tires were almost perfect? A gift of a race win, but I'll take it. Good start to the season getting into the top 100, but really I know I'll just be dropping from here.

It also looks like alot of the top drivers jumped off the VW train for some unknown reason which is a real shame, we finished 7th in the preseason . We really don't have anyone in EMEA it looks like and they really carried us in the pre-season. Slent went over to Mazda. If he knew Akagi was staying with them it was a smart tactical move by him TBH. Akagi nearly carried Mazda into the top 12 by himself, so him and Marzan joining him is going to make Mazda a real threat.

Hopefully SVDR sticks with VW, he told me he "couldn't race this season", I'm not sure if he just meant stage 1 or the entire season. I heard talk of StinkyBug in NA leaving but it looked like he was still signed but did not race the first one. I'm not sure about the Asia and Oceania regions but in EMEA, CSA, and NA we didn't have anyone in the top split.

Hopefully that was just people sitting out round one to see who signs where.

@KONTRAone where have you been, VW needs you!

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If I had more time I'd have replaced the bat symbol with a VW logo, but oh well.
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StinkyBug was pretty unbeatable I think for all the other A+ drivers racing for VW so that’s why everyone else left. Cavzee is still racing for VW, he was in my lobby on Saturday, but DadSleeper who was in VW in the preseason is now in a Peugeot, and I went to Mitsu.
 
Yea I went through the VW standings Sunday, I'm pretty sure only 4 of the drivers that finished top 10 in pre-season stuck around lol.

So I guess I should get into the top 10 this time.

It's funny, I noticed some drama as well. If you remember, there used to be TGM_Black and TGM_Panther now it's DNA_Panther and TheAbandoned1 lol team drama.
 
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StinkyBug was pretty unbeatable I think for all the other A+ drivers racing for VW so that’s why everyone else left. Cavzee is still racing for VW, he was in my lobby on Saturday, but DadSleeper who was in VW in the preseason is now in a Peugeot, and I went to Mitsu.
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Stinky had a brilliant season with VW but he moved to Chevrolet this time around. CavZee is still around though and holding down No. 1 👍


HERE4BEER3
@KONTRAone where have you been, VW needs you!

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Hahaha my apologies for my absence! I was in the process of moving and only just got my rig set up this weekend. Missed most of the preseason and the first round but i plan to get right back to work this Wednesday 👍
And I too was hoping that we would have more support on the euro side :( after such a strong preseason i figured there would be more talent in our driver pool... hopefully there's still a few candidates who held off on picking manufacturers until now.

Any takers in EMEA?
:D
 
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Did some practice with the Lexus RC F GR.4 last night and holy crap, that is the best that car has handled ever at yamigawa. I've never been able to keep the throttle pinned going into those uphill esses before but now, the thing is so planted its easy. Feel like if I get qualifying right, that might be one of my best Manufacterer Races for this season. Even when the tires were finally wearing, it still was planted.
 
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Did some practice with the Lexus RC F GR.4 last night and holy crap, that is the best that car has handled ever at yamigawa. I've never been able to keep the throttle pinned going into those uphill esses before but now, the thing is so planted its easy. Feel like if I get qualifying right, that might be one of my best Manufacterer Races for this season. Even when the tires were finally wearing, it still was planted.
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It's the suspension. Best in the game. Handles curbs, bumps, all that, supremely. :)
 
Alpha Cipher
I've read somewhere here that the Viper is now 1 second off the pace because of the new physics. Is this true? I want to get Dodge as the manufacturer but I might have to look elsewhere if I'm not going to be competitive in it :(
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You should pass. I made the mistake of picking Dodge. I knew it was bad, but didn't realize how slow the car is. Maybe in somebody else's hands it would be more competitive, but my DR usually puts me in the 2nd or 3rd split lobby, where it will be almost impossible to get good results. For Saturday's race at Interlagos I was in 2nd split, qualified 14th, finished 11th. Even when I drove clean laps, the only time I was gaining on anyone was when they were battling or making mistakes. It was frustrating.

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Dodge especially the GR4 are bad now, just slow and no reason at all to pick them from what I've seen. Trying to use it and get results will just be depressing if you are anywhere near the top splits, same with anyone who dared to pick Citroen.
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sigh....that's me :(
 
Just to add another talking point to how damaged the point system is:

I watched Gumball's stream of one of the NA top split races at Interlagos. I got 1268 points for winning the A/B crossover lobby, as a B driver(100 points away from being A though). I got more points than P12 in the top split, despite having a qualifying time .8 seconds slower than last place in the top split.......

I guess over the course of a season things balance out, and why only 1/3-1/4 of races count, but still. I think the top 3 splits at least should be on some sort of base point system or something, like mix the top 3 splits up more. So people get a random chance at winning the lower races for slightly less points instead of getting shafted in the top split.
 
HERE4BEER3
Just to add another talking point to how damaged the point system is:

I watched Gumball's stream of one of the NA top split races at Interlagos. I got 1268 points for winning the A/B crossover lobby, as a B driver(100 points away from being A though). I got more points than P12 in the top split, despite having a qualifying time .8 seconds slower than last place in the top split.......

I guess over the course of a season things balance out, and why only 1/3-1/4 of races count, but still. I think the top 3 splits at least should be on some sort of base point system or something, like mix the top 3 splits up more. So people get a random chance at winning the lower races for slightly less points instead of getting shafted in the top split.
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I agree on the base point regard, truthfully base points should be given in all ranking levels (with amounts/percentage increasing with rank of course). No one should walk away from a race with 0 points unless they manually disconnect from the race IMO, feels really deflating if an accident occurs and you've wasted near an hour just trying to catch up to not end up in 20th place.
 
If anyone needs any further examples of how the points are messed up, look no further, I'm your guy.

I won the 3rd split lobby on Saturday for 1941pts. If I was in the top lobby that I watched live on stream, I would have needed to place in the top 5 to beat those points, 6th to match. I never would have been able to do that unless several of the best drivers in the region just suddenly crashed.

If you look at all the rounds I've raced so far you'll see several races that earned me just a few hundred points. Those were all top split lobbies where I finished near the bottom. My highest scores are usually between 1500-2000, and all of those came from 2nd or 3rd split lobbies.

So I'm a good example of somebody who sees both sides of this debate. On one hand, nobody wants to place P17 every FIA race. On the other hand, I still don't think I should get more points than P6 of the top lobby by winning the 3rd split. I'm not really sure what the solution is, as it seems there is some inherent biases in just about every proposition I've heard.

For example, if there was a large multiplier or base points awarded, what is to stop me from increasing my DR high enough for top split, just to earn the points for placing 20th? I wouldn't even have to try, just set my DR appropriately and enter the race...boom points. It's much easier to increase your DR by doing daily races then it is through FIA.

Having said all that, it's interesting that it somehow seems to work itself out for most people. I'm not sure if that's because many are tanking their DR, but I'm currently ranked 31st in US and 40th in NA. And if I look at the names of the players around me, I fit right in for the most part. Most of the guys ranked close to me have a similar pace with a few exceptions. Most of the guys well above me are significantly faster and most who are well below me are a bit slower. Like I said, there are a few exceptions on both sides. I know there are at least 5 guys ranked above me who intentionally keep their DR low enough to win 2nd and 3rd split.

Personally, I don't tank my DR, but I did mostly stop participating in daily races some time ago when I decided to focus on FIA. One reason is that I just don't have much time outside of FIA practice and races. But another reason is that if I allow my DR to be dictated by FIA races, it more accurately reflects my skill and the matchmaking is better. Simply put, I don't belong in top split, but if I do daily races all the time my DR increases to around 60k and there just aren't enough really fast guys in NA region to fill the top lobby. As it stands, the top split consists of guys who should be in different lobbies.

I don't think people should get too worked up about it though, because if you're not in the top lobby and placing in the top few, there's no way you can earn enough points to make it to a live event. You need those 2500 and above points hauls in order to be that competitive. So these 1800-2000 gains that I can occasionally get are for nothing more than bragging rights, but if we all know the system is kinda unfair, there's not as much to brag about.

Overall, since I know I won't ever be as fast as the top few, I just want to race for fun. Finishing P17 over and over again not gaining on anyone who doesn't crash, isn't that fun. Remember, it's the matchmaking that keeps most of us coming back to Sport Mode. By allowing FIA races to dictate my DR exclusively, I'm getting matched better and having more fun. As it stands I normally enter the first race at a certain DR....if I'm in the top split, I finish low and lose DR, putting me in the 2nd split for the next race. If I do well there, I gain a bunch of DR and will be in top split for the next one. It's a vicious cycle that I've gotten used to.

What to do? I've no idea. I've got no solutions, I just wanna race against guys around my skill level.
 
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For example, if there was a large multiplier or base points awarded, what is to stop me from increasing my DR high enough for top split, just to earn the points for placing 20th? I wouldn't even have to try, just set my DR appropriately and enter the race...boom points. It's much easier to increase your DR by doing daily races then it is through FIA.
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Well most people can't just max their DR like that. I've been trying since the game came out and am only now on the verge of an A. :) I farmed my DR early in the game but kept getting smoked in FIA races until I stopped doing dailies. If they follow a similar format in a future release, daily race and FIA DR needs to be separate! I agree 100% that when I stopped doing dailies I got matched better, when i went on a bad run I notice I kept getting in lower and lower DR lobbies until I found a sweet spot where I started placing well again and have since worked my way back to the A/B crossover. Most of the top guys run two accounts to do dailies too.

I'm sorry I brought it up though lol, because I really feel that over the course of a season it works itself out like I mentioned. Those guys in the top split that I got more points than in race 1 will have better races. Over a 10 race season, with the 3 best races counting for points they will all finish ahead of me, whether they stay in top split or drop down to second or third. I've noticed it before when I got a good start, even though I keep improving my points by a few hundred I'll still drop 10-20 positions in the standings every race.

As it is now is pretty good, maybe just a few minor tweaks or a bit more shuffle in the splits like I said earlier. But maybe that doesn't work either since lower DR guys will be put into better lobbies and drop the points. I dno, this is stuff PD should have figured out and played with when we had 500 Pre-seasons and test seasons, or maybe they did and this was the best they could come up with.

All I really want is this:

Instead of top 16SS maybe do top 20SS if they can't do top 24SS again. And make that the final race of the season/stage, like a big final. And try to release the broadcasts a bit sooner, it's kind of dumb when the broadcast comes out a week later after we raced the next round already. I really don't know how it takes so long to release, they barely even edit it. Save the replays, watch it, find a few key moments to spotlight, commentate over it and upload.
 
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OK so here's where i'm at, i'll probably skip manu again tonight, i did some gr3 testing last night combined with practice for Nurburgring, short list is now:
Peugeot - to join the PUG train, VGT feels different to say the least, stable but understeery on entry, unstable on exit (turbo lag?)
Lambo - to join Yukiku, unstable on entry (consistent with other MRs) but can turn on a dime if done correctly, relatively stable on exit

Chevy nice to drive but a bit slow, don't think i can make the gr4 renault sneak in strat work because Oceania aliens have decent enough gr4 cars, could actually be tempted by Honda as the gr3 felt OK too. I'm just afraid there are some people just like me waiting for the gr3 races before making their decision but if the PUG is to work then i have to go for it at Le Mans.
 
Guess I'll use the sheepeople X-Bow tonight. Tried the Megane road car, 4C road car and Raptor(for a laugh). That Raptor actually brakes and turns real good. Just too slow everywhere else.

Gr.4 is going to be sooo interesting.
 
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