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My nations cup video I didn't post with my manu cup yesterday. Some great close battles, maybe too close...

 
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My nations cup video I didn't post with my manu cup yesterday. Some great close battles, maybe too close...

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Guessing post-race chat was eventful.

That penalty was plain robbery from an entirely avoidable situation... which tends to keep happening.

MINT_GTR had also been PIT maneuvered out of the lead late in the race in Manufacturers pre-season by a different driver. I think his restraint here really needs to be commended.
 
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The Dragon is not my favorite track so I was a bit pensive when entering the race with 20 on the door. I managed to get a qualifying time that awarded me the 15th place on the grid.
After being wiped out in the chicane I recovered and ended up in 9th.
Not the points I needed, but it was a fun race.
 
Once again my lack of preparation delivers a great result! Hadn't done any tyre wear or fuel runs so got a feel for strategy from Tidgneys stream and the qualifying.
Put together a clean qualifying lap and got lucky with a slipstream that put me P3! No wait. P4? I set my time first dammit! :lol:

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Had some hard clean racing with the Supra in P2 and the Porsche in P3 who stole my grid slot. Conserved fuel as much as possible but was always going to pit. Decided to not take fresh tyres which meant I finished P2 for my best FIA result to date. Very happy. :)

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Summary of my Manufacturer races (i did all 3 races) with my boat. Ops, sorry I meant *Car. McLaren F1 GTR
N°1: Bad qualy. Race: I caused a spin of a McLaren. (Unintentional). Then I tried to let him pass, but in the meanwhile there was a BMW who was trying to take my slipstream but I was slowing down. So he rammed me. Finished 19th
N°2: Even worse qualy. Throw away a good result because of the (in)famous chicane. But managed to finish 7th
N°3: Finally a goog qualy in a lobby with also A+ drivers (My DR is A). I setted the same time of "ARK_Pkmz". 5th place in qualyfing. Nothing happend until the final 3 laps. During the first laps I was like a mobile corner because I was trying to save the fuel. But after all pit stop of the others I was 1st. Then at the start of the last lap I was 3rd and the guys behind me were gaining time quickly. I tried to defend myself but at the end of the race I finished 5th. I still don't know if I should be happy or disappointed after this result.
 
I hated last night's race.

Started off with a bad quali (16th). No stop was ruined, and I ended up finishing 16th....oh wait no I ran out of gas on the straight and finished 18th. I saw others did better, but something about that track/ strategy combo combined with the Porsche wasn't working for me.

I can't wait to switch manufacturers, I used to love the Porsche but it feels slow now.
 
Did my first FIA Manu races with a wheel (T300RS) last night which was a pretty big deal, but had some shoddy races all around.

1st attempt saw me and Jag teammate @Erckie essentially play the role of the Williams F1 cars (ironically, he was using a wheel in FIA for the first time as well) and race each other for the wooden spoon, which Erckie eventually beat me to. After the race, I learned that I needed to use +5 brake balance to save the front tires a little more and be more competetive (thought we were done with this after the pre-season but I guess not :rolleyes:).

2nd attempt was going much better and I was having a good tense fight for what would ultimately be a top 10 finish, but I hit Turn 4's inside curb the wrong way on Lap 6 and got sent flying off the circuit. (@WiseGuyTM Might've seen that from behind) Nothing I did from then on mattered.

3rd attempt was boring for all the wrong reasons. A botched qualifying (was on for a 37.4-5 on my last flyer but the chicane got the better of me so I had to settle for 37.8) led to the race being a demoralizing drive through no man's land from lap 2 onwards- seconds behind the train of what seemed to be 13 cars with no way of catching them without ruining my strategy. In retrospect I could've slowed down to let @SpecMiata-JSW catch up to me so I could say I raced somebody, but then again I would've lost positions to one-stoppers. They say one lap pace doesn't win the race but it's safe to say it can lose you the race.

Better to have terrible wheel performances now than at a live event, I suppose. I'm steadily reaching the pace and skill I had with the pad so hopefully things will get better from here.
 
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Did my first FIA Manu races with a wheel (T300RS) last night which was a pretty big deal, but had some shoddy races all around.

1st attempt saw me and Jag teammate @Erckie essentially play the role of the Williams F1 cars (ironically, he was using a wheel in FIA for the first time as well) and race each other for the wooden spoon, which Erckie eventually beat me to. After the race, I learned that I needed to use +5 brake balance to save the front tires a little more and be more competetive (thought we were done with this after the pre-season but I guess not :rolleyes:).

2nd attempt was going much better and I was having a good tense fight for what would ultimately be a top 10 finish, but I hit Turn 4's inside curb the wrong way on Lap 6 and got sent flying off the circuit. (@WiseGuyTM Might've seen that from behind) Nothing I did from then on mattered.

3rd attempt was boring for all the wrong reasons. A botched qualifying (was on for a 37.4-5 on my last flyer but the chicane got the better of me so I had to settle for 37.8) led to the race being a demoralizing drive through no man's land from lap 2 onwards- seconds behind the train of what seemed to be 13 cars with no way of catching them without ruining my strategy. In retrospect I could've slowed down to let @SpecMiata-JSW catch up to me so I could say I raced somebody, but then again I would've lost positions to one-stoppers. They say one lap pace doesn't win the race but it's safe to say it can lose you the race.

Better to have terrible wheel performances now than at a live event, I suppose. I'm steadily reaching the pace and skill I had with the pad so hopefully things will get better from here.
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Great job adapting to the wheel, I never knew you were a pad user. I find fast pad users like you amazing, I have no idea how you guys do it!

As for last night, I am simply glad it's over. Seaside I is my worst combo since I can't seem to find speed there, then add aggressive fuel saving into the mix and it made for a boring race that was a drag to complete. I'm not sure why I even entered. :lol:

To add insult to injury this is my worst FIA season and last night was no exception, I think I scored bigger points in my first season by accident and not even knowing what I was doing. Hopefully the next few combos will be better for me. 👍
 
Practicing for Wednesday, I've set a 1:26.671 in the 650S. Satisfied for now, optimal is a 26.367 so there's more in it, but I'm calling it a day.

The 650S is fun to drive around Sardegna and the track is nice, but the tire wear isn't :scared: x14 is really good for the 86, coincidentally...
 
I managed to do it one more time. And in the words of Britney Spears, "Oops I did it again". I had a really good race with Greazemnky. For the first stint we managed to stay with one another trying our best to pull away from the pack. However, after pitstops, he somehow disappeared. That left me behind Jdominguez0210 fighting for the lead. He managed to hold me off in the Porsche and well, as I have done in the previous Manufacturer race, I bottled it on the penultimate lap. I had, I thought, second place all sewn up. Let that be a lesson folks, never give up, don't ever give up. :lol: But I had a blast in this race. I hope we can have more like this on. Hats off to Greazemnky and Jdominguez0210 for running very clean races.

Keith.

 
Did the 2nd manufacturer slot and wasn't expecting too much given I was number 20 in the lobby but managed to pull a good lap which qualified me quite high up. My race performance really didn't feel good but thanks to the Honda being very good on fuel I got what I think is my highest ever points score. Felt undeserved but it was still nice.


Last slot of Nations and went with the M4 for the fun of it. Messed up the chicane on my best lap and then proceeded to get a penalty before the race actually started. Didn't gain much positions after that but had some good battles along the way.
 
Am I the only one, who is struggling with the track limits of the next Nations Cup -race (Clio @ Red Bull Ring, round 25)? I’m talking mainly about the 1st turn. I’ve watched some videos of the top 10 -drivers and they seem go through the turn with a very wide line (some almost touching the rail on the left and leaving the turn by driving over the lawn etc.). When I try to emulate that, the result is almost always the same: a penalty. :banghead: It feels like it’s an intelligence test, which I fail over and over again. (I’m not saying whether or not it is the first time I have failed in an intelligence test :D). But seriously, I’m not a big fan of these track limits in use; it’s not a question about driving as fast as you can on track, but you have to try to find every possible exploit from the game to be competitive.

In the FIA-races of the last year the track limits were more strict. Has it been told why this was changed for the year 2019? Was it a wish of some competitors etc.?
 
OutlawQuadrnt
Sardegna B II and the RCZ go together like Slowbaru and Monza. Shame because it would feel like a fun track in a car that doesn't torque steer off course with a touch of the throttle. 100% skip.
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Sardegna B II is a weird little layout. I thought it would greatly suit the Lamborghini, but now I'm not too sure.

I might be the one butchering the laps but the only way I'll manage fairly fast times involves completely destroying the tires. I think my current 1:27.2xx is not too bad, there's no way I'll pull off anything close to this during the race without risking a spin.

Plus, the kerbs are a little off and there are three turns that make my think this reverse version was an afterthought (that downhill left, the strange right hander after the long banked left, and the last pair of corners, that don't connect very well).

The track doesn't seem to flow for me. I'm considering skipping it :(
 
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Am I the only one, who is struggling with the track limits of the next Nations Cup -race (Clio @ Red Bull Ring, round 25)? I’m talking mainly about the 1st turn. I’ve watched some videos of the top 10 -drivers and they seem go through the turn with a very wide line (some almost touching the rail on the left and leaving the turn by driving over the lawn etc.). When I try to emulate that, the result is almost always the same: a penalty.
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Bear in mind they don't necessarily manage to do it every time without a penalty, all we know is they managed it once. I tried copying it, and sometimes got away without a penalty, but it didn't seem to be any faster anyway, so I've been sticking to a standard clean line, and I suspect they might do the same for the actual qualifying and race.
 
Disclaimer (!) before the false allegations start (!) this is just knowledge sharing:

The red bull turn 1 exit penalty is determined by how far past the start of the exit kerb the car is, before going wide. To avoid a penalty the car needs to cross the kerb later, which is not easy to do every time

The last time that this question was asked, someone provided a much more eloquent reply than mine, which included a diagram.
 
Had a 6-7 car midfield battle in the Clio race. Not where I wanted to be but much more fun than being isolated for a whole race. My hot tip is to brake more than you think you need to.
 
Manufacturer EU account start a few minutes ago , bad qualif 7th , after 1 and a half lap i was in 4th battling for 3rd .............
When a micro power outage take me out of this race , i love the track and car (Jaguar F-Type Gr.4 ) there.
I will not be able to race the next slot because i have to work.
Next one on BR account tonight 12hPM with the M4.
 
Got P9 in qualy with an average lap. The race was nice, some people crashed off, some got penalties, I battled one person throughout the race and came out on top to get P5 and 1886 points. Keeping it :)
 
On Saturday I rather excitedly reached DR A for the first time. My first race at this level was the Clio Cup race at Austria. I qualified 7th. I got a 4 second penalty at turn one because I had no idea where I was braking.

I finished the first lap in 6th place. Looking forward to watching this replay.
 
Just doing Manufacturers tonight as hate the track limits thing at the Red Bull Ring.

Qualified ok compared to my testing laps, but was still only a 1:28.3, so ended up P16. Race went ok with a few people ahead of me flinging themselves at the scenery, so managed to get briefly up to 9th before Lambo showed me how slow I was in a straight-line (Was losing about 6 tenths on the straight to the fast cars). Had a good last lap battle trying to beat an Alfa who had much better tyres than me, but couldn't quite hold them off so got 11th and around 950 points.

 
You know, I think I had an idea. I know that Gr.3 and Gr.4 are relatively similar to each other, at least more so than the cars in Gr.1 and the N-series, but I really do think that it would benefit things to have more groups in the Manufacturers Series. I think some N-classes could have enough cars in them to offer events there, and potentially even with more specific criteria, such as hatchbacks or grand tourers. But this may not necessarily be something that would be possible with GTS' current car list, and maybe not even until the next installment.

At any rate, I'd like to see both series differentiate between each other, both to build a respective identity, but also to incentivize viewers to watch either-or for potentially new content, rather than just watch the Nations Cup since that's the only place we're likely to see new machines.

Here's a draft of the "identities" I had in mind for each FIA Championship:

-Nations Cup
Obviously, the big draw is having drivers from each nation duke it out. But on top of it, it could be where we see introductions of content or content changes that aren't cars/tracks, such as new UI elements, things akin to the penalty zones, or the new physics model. In addition, there'd need to be the Red Bull one-make races (which I'd definitely say is one element of the Nations Cup's identity), but perhaps there could be other one-make races (perhaps the SRT VGT X at Route X, or the Daihatsu VGT at Tokyo South), or perhaps other unusual rule changes, such as allowing tuning (or maybe just select elements like downforce or gear ratio) to be open, or how some races may occasionally have an unusually high rate of fuel/tire consumption. Not to mention that a one-make doesn't mean a Gr.X race - many real-world series may use GT3 or GT4-spec cars in one-make series. I recall there being one with the Audi R8 LMS, for example.

-Manufacturer Series
Ideally, and potentially eventually, I'd love it for there to be enough cars across various automakers insofar that we could see more than just Gr.3 and Gr.4 races. I'd be fine if maybe some automakers would need to be swapped out with others, where one may not have enough cars to be eligible but the other is far more likely to have that sort of vehicle available. I know that, for one thing, LMP1 cars are night-and-day compared to Group C cars, but I think these anachronistic & unrealistic mixes of cars is part of what gives these events a profound edge over other racing game e-sports series: the fact that they're willing to jettison this degree of verisimilitude in the name of having a distinguishable and thus potentially interesting event.

On top of this, perhaps one championship could mostly use GT-original courses, while the other uses real-world courses. On top of this, the Nations Cup could have some races resembling real-world races going on at that time (think Gr.1 @ Le Mans this past June for Daily Races), while the Manufacturer Series could have races resembling those seen in various campaign modes in the GT series, such as Race of NA Sports, or the Lightweight K Cup. These GT-original elements, being the original course designs, rulesets, and mixing of certain vehicles, could lead to a racing eSport that blows all other competition away - both in terms of other racing games with eSports programs like Forza or Project CARS, but eSports as a whole. Racing games have an under-rated advantage over other eSports in that anybody can understand what a race is all about. The knowledge you need to understand what's going on, who's winning, and what the goal is, is a level that seems comparatively through the floor compared to some competitive FPSes, MOBAs, and so on.
 
I got rammed twice out of a potential 5th down to 13th just now, and that was only because the second rammer picked up a penalty for ramming someone else off. I'm taking the case and burying it in under all my uni notebooks so I never make the mistake of picking this over the infinitely more fun games I have on my PS4.
 
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