FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[breeminator]

Hypothetical. If someone started the 2020 official season with 1 manufacturer, regretted their choice, reset their account, selected another manufacturer and qualified for a world tour or several, would that be fair by your standards?

What do you mean by "reset their account"? I saw someone in a previous season who made a clean switch. They raced with one account up to and including race x, then used a new account to race with a different manufacturer from race x+1 onwards. They never used the first account again after starting to use the second account. I don't personally have a problem with someone doing that, provided the use of the first account has ended before it has gained enough points to qualify for star player status.

Edit: The main reason someone might want to do this is if they find themselves up against another very strong driver. PD could help avoid this situation arising by allowing people to pre-sign, where you sign, and can do free practice, and appear on a list of who has pre-signed with each manufacturer, sorted by DR, so people can see who they'll be up against, but it would only change from pre-signed to signed once you do your first race. While pre-signed you'd be able to switch. This way the top aliens could avoid each other in the first place.

 

[Rangeraus]

What do you mean by "reset their account"? I saw someone in a previous season who made a clean switch. They raced with one account up to and including race x, then used a new account to race with a different manufacturer from race x+1 onwards. They never used the first account again after starting to use the second account. I don't personally have a problem with someone doing that, provided the use of the first account has ended before it has gained enough points to qualify for star player status.

He wipes his game data locally, so he can start a new GT Sport save game with the same account. I believe your DR and SR is still retained when you do this.

As a result (apparently) you can then sign with a different manufacturer. I imagine that any results you scored with your previous manufacturer are retained as this information would have to be stored on the GT servers, not locally.

I haven't tried it myself.

 

[05XR8]

The rules are that you sign a contract for the entire season. Resetting your account to change manufacturer halfway through a season is just exploiting game mechanics as far as I am concerned.

Whether you are quick enough to qualify for a world tour or not should not matter. But that is just my opinion.

Again, not really an issue for the pre-season but this should not be happening in the official season.



No.

Exhibition seasons = I am not thrilled with multi-accounting, but fine.

Official seasons = this is 100% breaking the rules.

I am fine with not qualifying for a World Tour. But seeing someone "allegedly" qualify as a direct result of using a second account is really a slap in the face to anyone who puts the hours into attempting to qualify for these events.

I'm reading the rules and may have missed where it says switching manufacturers is breaking the rules.
It just says entrants choose one of the 25 manufacturers.

I know when we choose them, we have that manufacturer for the duration of the season. No rule saying a player cannot restart their game and choose a different manufacturer. They still must choose one to represent.

Anyway, I have never received a message notifying me breaching any rules for restarting and choosing a different manufacturer. It'd be impossible to police(which it doesn't need to be): New players entering in the middle of a season, corrupted game file, etc.

Again, how I play GT Sport, there's no foul play involved.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

As the points made up to your switch is tied to your manufacturer it doesn't even carry over does it? As I understand you start with a clean slate.

 

[breeminator]

He wipes his game data locally, so he can start a new GT Sport save game with the same account. I believe your DR and SR is still retained when you do this.

As a result (apparently) you can then sign with a different manufacturer. I imagine that any results you scored with your previous manufacturer are retained as this information would have to be stored on the GT servers, not locally.

Okay, so like someone starting a new account, I wouldn't have a problem with someone doing that to move away from the same manufacturer as another top alien, if they might both be able to qualify if they're with different manufacturers, provided they switch before they've gained enough points to achieve star player status. But it would be better if PD put something in place like I described, to allow them to avoid each other in the first place.

I would have a problem with someone doing this to give themselves two shots at qualifying. E.g. if one manufacturer is stronger for the first half of the season, and the other for the second half, so they do the full quota of counting races with each one.

 

[CurbHog]

Manufacturers Race at Fuji
I was not able to get great pace in quali even though I had no traffic issue and a tow on the straight to the line.
Started 10 with 10 on the door. All cars in front of me were A/S
After the rolling start I passed one car just on the slip stream and the first turn went very well with virtually no one going off track.
I had planned to do a two stop with S/M/S.
The race was a blast.
It was a clean race and the McLaren felt like a beast as I was catching up and passed many cars with cheeky inside passes as I like to go tight in the last turn.
Watch the race and you will see how I ended up. It exceeded my expectations. With this race I am now A rank again !
Enjoy

 

[praiano63]

1st win of this manufacturer yesterday on fuji.
Honda gr4 is a fantastic car on this track. Qualified 1st with a 1.40.8xx no stream , then i've made the break till 5 seconds on my follower with mediun tyres, then pit lap 8 and control the gap till the end.
This was the only way to escape the road rage mid pack .

 

[roamingbard13]

Manu at DR B is always an adventure.

The only racing I'd done at Fuji before yesterday afternoon was in the BRZ for one of dailies awhile back, so I almost didn't race. I decided to anyways, and ended up running a decent lap on my own to qualify P5 in an all DR B room. The race itself was a mess. Some of it was self-induced (I took limits penalties several times, which I attribute to not being fully comfortable with the track), and then this:



I only had a few seconds left to get on the track before getting DQ'd after that, and despite running the fastest lap of the race, I was only able to work back up to P14.


I said I wasn't going to race twice last night, but then the results forced my hand. I re-entered, and got paired with a bunch of good dudes I raced with at Spa Manu last week. I left the pits right away during qualifying, and ended up behind one of those guys and we tag teamed a couple of laps for him to qualify P1 and me P2 with a second to the next closest qualifier. The race itself was great -- lots of good moves (a guy in an 86 carved the first couple of laps really nicely), and pretty clean racing. A 1 second limits penalty knocked me back to 6th, and I stayed there until pitting for softs after lap 8. I set the fastest lap by over a second on the softs and worked my way up to P2 and then at the end of lap 12, I did this trying to run down the guy in 1st:





I recovered well, and moved back up into P4 where I finished the race. Of course, the guy in first hadn't pitted for Mediums yet, and I didn't know it. I didn't need to push. I would have easily won with a couple of easy laps to finish.

Gained 79 points, and with 68 points from Spa, that's a really decent start for me. I'll work on these consistency issues, and I might actually have time to practice for Interlagos over the next couple of days.


EDIT: Checked the KP of the guy who booted me. Based on just the ones that I saw, I'm going to say he took between 15-20 seconds of penalties during the race, and he is just into SR A at 79. I suppose it's possible that he raced after and gained some SR, but damn.

 

[GabrielPM]

Hi guys!
So I have been seing some strange things lately, a few drivers with zero to none experience on the game are getting very good points here on Central and South America Region. You might think, well Gabriel, they are just pushing a bit more hard and getting results, but I intend to present some evidences for you to comment and speculate:

1: Some IDs which I think are cheating have short practice time, they just show up on the FiA race day and get high points.
2: Sony, Polyphony Digital or the sponsor FiA, probably has no mechanism to register ONLY ONE SOLE IP FOR EACH PSN account, so if I register at someone elses PS4 and set it as primary, they can use my account, the only thing is that they will be playing, not me. Just using that registered ID.
3: If I can play on multiple FiA slots and get that many good results, on more than one account, that alone reduces the chances of other top ranked players to qualify, as they won't get as many points in a 2nd. 3rd or 4th place finish.
4: I do not know even if sharing PSN accounts is legal in the first place.
As this thread is purely to improve our loved game as a competitive online experience and promete a healthy and fair environment for all GT Simracers, I do not want to point fingers at anyone. Look forward to see what you guys think about it.
Thanks in advance!

 

[Pigems]

I only use my alt for FIA and practice on my main, so if you were check my Alt account stats it would show that I only show up to race and do nothing else with it.

 

[GabrielPM]

I only use my alt for FIA and practice on my main, so if you were check my Alt account stats it would show that I only show up to race and do nothing else with it.

Yeah, not at all problems with someone that has multiple accounts or even usem them to play other slots to get more points, as it only encourages them to be consistent and keep concentration going after races!
My problem is unknown people playing for other guys, that I think sony has zero control over their multiple ips.

 

[Famine]

2: Sony, Polyphony Digital or the sponsor FiA, probably has no mechanism to register ONLY ONE SOLE IP FOR EACH PSN account, so if I register at someone elses PS4 and set it as primary, they can use my account, the only thing is that they will be playing, not me. Just using that registered ID.

Just so you're aware of how limiting that is, if GTPlanet used that rule you wouldn't have been able to make that post - because your user registration came from a different IP address.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Just so you're aware of how limiting that is, if GTPlanet used that rule you wouldn't have been able to make that post - because your user registration came from a different IP address.

Most people get a different IP by their ISP from time to time.

 

[Famine]

Most people get a different IP by their ISP from time to time.

Yep, which is why it wouldn't ever work. Nor would locking to console ID or MAC address (because multiple accounts for multiple people, replacing old consoles, upgrading from PS4 to PS4 Pro... and so on).

 

[Sean YZF]

Any recommendations for the N class at this weeks Nations?
I see the top 10 are all using F 50's. Would prefer FR that is reasonably competitive when BoP gets applied. MR suggestions welcome too.
I've got over 400 cars, which probably equates to 75 different cars

 

[Famine]

Any recommendations for the N class at this weeks Nations?
I see the top 10 are all using F 50's. Would prefer FR that is reasonably competitive when BoP gets applied. MR suggestions welcome too.
I've got over 400 cars, which probably equates to 75 different cars

The F50 is an MR, but traditional N300 weapons are that, the S-FR Racing Concept and the X-BOW.

I haven't checked, but 11x over 36mi on Sport Hard means you might be able to no-stop the latter two.

 

[GabrielPM]

Just so you're aware of how limiting that is, if GTPlanet used that rule you wouldn't have been able to make that post - because your user registration came from a different IP address.

Yeah, I mean, I thought about the IP but I am a total noob on that, I was just bringing those evidences up so you guys can evaluate... what if there are people out there, sharing accounts, racing for other people. What if Sony registered an IP for each FiA race day and then, if you have used the same IP for other account, on the same day, ban it all together? I do not think someone would mask or change their IP just for a videogame race, or travel some great distance just to play as registered in some other IP... So if it has changed, there must have been something weird that happened.

 

[Famine]

Yeah, I mean, I thought about the IP but I am a total noob on that, I was just bringing those evidences up so you guys can evaluate... what if there are people out there, sharing accounts, racing for other people. What if Sony registered an IP for each FiA race day and then, if you have used the same IP for other account, on the same day, ban it all together? I do not think someone would mask or change their IP just for a videogame race, or travel some great distance just to play as registered in some other IP... So if it has changed, there must have been something weird that happened.

I often hard-reset my router - which generates a new IP address - before I do something that requires a prolonged period of stable connectivity.

You're also not accounting for shared consoles - if someone else in my family wants to do an FIA race after me, we'd both be banned under this measure.

 

[05XR8]

As the points made up to your switch is tied to your manufacturer it doesn't even carry over does it? As I understand you start with a clean slate.

Exactly. I switched from Renault to Lexus just at the start of the first event. Points I had from Spa are deleted, after I switched to Mazda, for the Fuji race.

RD. 1
-
RD. 2
127
RD. 3
-
RD. 4
-
RD. 5
-
RD. 6
-
RD. 7

 

[GabrielPM]

I often hard-reset my router - which generates a new IP address - before I do something that requires a prolonged period of stable connectivity.

You're also not accounting for shared consoles - if someone else in my family wants to do an FIA race after me, we'd both be banned under this measure.

That is true lol hahahaha nice, thanks for the insights, guys! <3

 

[das89ca]

Trained a bit for Nations tomorrow with some time trial. I really wanted to avoid the F50, so tested FR, XBow(this I need to learn to drive as I am planning to rent one at Red Bull Ring in the summer) and Audi R8. No chance, although at first I thought I will race with FR - I was still 2s behind some guys I am usually faster. After learning the track with FR I switched to F50 and I gained 1.1 seconds in 5 laps. Still I can gain at least 7-8 tenth but I will not have enough time to train that much.

I don't like the brakes on the F50, it's like a train for me. So don't have too many expectations for tomorrow. Will try to keep it clean and avoid troubles...

 

[Cerebral303]

I can't help but drive the F50 any chance I get in FIA races. I don't care if it's the most competitive or not, but I do quite well. Once you get the earlier braking point sorted you end up getting on the power early and powering out of the corners. I find the X-Bow a bit skittish for me, never found a good setup.

 

[Sean YZF]

Ran quite a few laps in suggested cars to get an idea of my medium lap time.
F 50, X Bow & the others have to be detuned to meet N300 regs. So I limited choice from my garage at N 300 only. E type had a good weight and was fun to slide, lap time was atrocious though. Ford GT was good, but not much acceleration. Porsche had too much overseer for my liking at certain corners.
Settled on the Greddy Fugu Z, fun to drive & a tad forgiving of mistakes 👍

 

[Lost Sheltie]

It's a no-stop in the F50 tomorrow from what I can see. You will have to keep an eye on your fuel, but it only requires a tiny bit of fuel saving (shifting to 5th a few times) to get to the end. You can try the BMW M4, Xbow and SFR, but the F50 is the easiest of those to drive and it has decent speed in a straight line (Don't think the SFR will be able to overtake anything).

From the 1 race I tried today it is a follow the leader type of race. Once you lose the slipstream of the guy ahead you are a bit knackered, so looks like it will be a bit dull. I think I will give it a miss and maybe do a practice for the manufacturers race on Wednesday at Interlagos.

 

[schnick]

TRL_LIGHTNING just won the last race at Spa with the Megane Trophy, despite losing over 0.5 sec on the front AND backstraights (even with slipstream) I'm convinced that he could turn up to the upcoming N300 race in a truck and still win it

On that note, I'm pleasantly surprised by the Citroen Gr.4 car. One of the most neutral handling Gr.4, very good on tyres and 7 gears so it fuel saves like a champ. Only drawback is lack of top end, but it's not a brick like the Evo/WRX/86/Megane/Alfa in its class so you can stick with the slipstream of faster cars. I don't know how the Gr.3 car is, but I'm surprised they haven't been a regular World Tour participant so far. Instead of Pug train maybe the aliens could form a Citroen alliance this year

Citroen made the world final in 2018 when 16 manufacturers qualified instead of 12. I imagine given the change of only the top 3 regions scores count for each manufacturer the aliens can be even more spread out than last year and it will be a tighter contest near the bubble

Nah it was MonkeyMatt. Matt Simmons races under MINT_GTR. Actually I was quite surprised how many DR A+ drivers were in second split. Top split must be absolutely loaded lol. Contrast that to the Nations race yesterday where my measly 46k DR is enough to make top split. No contest which championship is more popular here

It was already like that last year, nations was dead around halfway through the season and now this year the world final entrants have been reduced for all regions it's probably going to be even more dead pretty quickly. Realistically there's 8 guys that have a sniff of qualifying for nations from Oceania the rest of us are just fighting for the rest of the spots in the top 16 races. Also with the reduction in the world final participants is the removal of what I call the "1 kiwi guaranteed" rule because of the country cap. Given the way manufacturers is setup manu will be way more popular in Oceania because the chances of going to a WT are quite high even if you aren't a top tier alien.

 

[Racer294]

I raced in every slot today, putting 385 miles on the Mustang. Fortunately, the last race of night ended with me finishing in the top 5. I went with a 8M/6S strategy and it worked out.

I was in the first slot with you.

 

[05XR8]

Ran quite a few laps in suggested cars to get an idea of my medium lap time.
F 50, X Bow & the others have to be detuned to meet N300 regs. So I limited choice from my garage at N 300 only. E type had a good weight and was fun to slide, lap time was atrocious though. Ford GT was good, but not much acceleration. Porsche had too much overseer for my liking at certain corners.
Settled on the Greddy Fugu Z, fun to drive & a tad forgiving of mistakes 👍

Love the FuguZ. Drives well on this circuit. Tried all N class cars with roll cages. Settled on the MX-5 TC.

 

[GTWolverine]

I gotta say, this is one of the few times I actually look forward to racing the Meta car!

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Part of the reason why created the slipstream thread was the tactics I had to use at Fuji. Basically, I was better off using the softs first to stay in the lead pack's draft rather than losing it early on mediums. My finishing time here was better than I ever could've done on my own starting on pole. Still a mediocre result. Nothing I can do when OP cars are everywhere.

 

[05XR8]

Feels like a proper race series, when I see the same players from my other races.

Edit: Started 18/19. Had a neat battle with that S-FR. I saw a few of them pit. I passed one on pit exit. It caught me, passed me, but didn't get away. It got loose entering the esses and lost control, hitting the wall on the left. It pulled over and quit. Guess because it also got 4 seconds for that.

Anyway, the S-FR behind had pit, at around lap 12 or 13. S-FR is slow on the straights, but pretty agile with all its downforce. Felt like I had a supercharger in the MX-5.