FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[eAxis Patohm]

Yes there is no restriction on racing from a second account.

Im Pretty sure it is forbidden to have more than one entry in the finals. It was stated in the rulebook when you first started Sportmode after the Update!

 

[Finflash]

@adstomko this right here should speak volumes to back up what I'm saying

The DRIVERS make the amazing lap times, not a non-existent horrific imbalance of the class.

I agree that the driver makes the biggest difference but if we are talking about yamagiwa, you really can't do 1:31.xxx with every car, not even close. Power makes the difference there.. Just the first 2 sectors are easily over half a second between different cars.

 

[mclarenLB]

I agree that the driver makes the biggest difference but if we are talking about yamagiwa, you really can't do 1:31.xxx with every car, not even close. Power makes the difference there.. Just the first 2 sectors are easily over half a second between different cars.

Give me an example of a car that can't do a 31 and I'll try and hit it

Bearing in mind my current PB is a 32.1 in a 650S The sandbags are out

 

[Finflash]

Give me an example of a car that can't do a 31 and I'll try and hit it

Bearing in mind my current PB is a 32.1 in a 650S The sandbags are out

I have a few but try Jaguar first. Good luck

Just one thing to add. I think cars are more evened up with fuel load. Some cars are much better in qualifying so even if you have decent race pace you start back of grid 10+sec behind with not so smiley face

 

[bloodyboyblue]

The power of the people who can set top times in the leaderboards is scary...

Last time I checked our leaderboards was topped out by the Pug VGT, and the majority were FT-1s.

The American leaderboard yesterday was all SLSes (including at the top) and Corvettes, with one Nissan, Viper and Supra I think

 

[guy a]

Yes I've seen this in the dailies a lot, cars ghost that shouldn't and still sometimes ones serving penalties or spearing across the track after going off don't ghost. The entire slowing down to serve penalties is a rubbish idea and now because it wasn't working due to everyone slowing in bad areas (either intentionally or otherwise) we have this ghosting stuff, which comes and goes as it pleases, ruining the racing of people who are not idiots too.

At this point I think they need to just remove the ghosting completely, it's just causing extras problems. Then state that if anyone, especially back markers, cause any accidents on purpose it's a month ban at the very least. If the reporting even does anything of course, if it doesn't then that's another major issue.

In the manufacture race on wednesday 3 cars spun at the same
time in front of me and they ghosted at the same time so i kept going and of course the one in the middle unghosted way before the others and that kinda sucked for me.

 

[mclarenLB]

I have a few but try Jaguar first. Good luck

Just one thing to add. I think cars are more evened up with fuel load. Some cars are much better in qualifying so even if you have decent race pace you start back of grid 10+sec behind with not so smiley face

Yo, so after a few laps I'd put the Jag in a similar boat to the Mercedes, It doesn't need to be as fast because of how easy it is to drive and replicate laps. I could do low-mid 32s in this all day long and the power curve is lovely for short-shifting

It drops a couple tenths in Sector 1 and 2 but nowhere near a half second like you mentioned. It floats over the chicane beautifully, I reckon its peak would be around a 31.8, similarish to the McLaren which I'd paint at a 31.7 (assuming absolutely perfect lap)

 

[guy a]

Hm, apparently Arizonians aren't eligible for the FIA championship, unless I'm misunderstanding the rules presented to me. RIP that state in particular.

im in phoenix and that kinda made me mad that arizona is not in on it...

 

[Finflash]

Yo, so after a few laps I'd put the Jag in a similar boat to the Mercedes, It doesn't need to be as fast because of how easy it is to drive and replicate laps. I could do low-mid 32s in this all day long and the power curve is lovely for short-shifting

It drops a couple tenths in Sector 1 and 2 but nowhere near a half second like you mentioned. It floats over the chicane beautifully, I reckon its peak would be around a 31.8, similarish to the McLaren which I'd paint at a 31.7 (assuming absolutely perfect lap)

I gave you the Jag because it's easy to drive and very easy to see the limit I think you found it already. It's not a bad car. If you hit under 39.7 in second split with it you're really good. I think it's pretty much the maximum there. Best sector splits there are low 39.

Good car but you won't get poles with it.

 

[mclarenLB]

I gave you the Jag because it's easy to drive and very easy to see the limit I think you found it already. It's not a bad car. If you hit under 39.7 in second split with it you're really good. I think it's pretty much the maximum there. Best sector splits there are low 39.

Good car but you won't get poles with it.

I think it actually starts making time back from the chicane onwards though, It can do a 39.6 at the second sector split with some heavy rear bias and a good throw into both Turn 1 and Turn 6. Then its chicane potential is absolutely scary, I didn't get close to it, not too bad in the tighter corners either. Decent car.

 

[choSeeCZ]

Im Pretty sure it is forbidden to have more than one entry in the finals. It was stated in the rulebook when you first started Sportmode after the Update!

Really? When I start on Suzuka, do I cant start with second acc?...yeah in finals, but i bad sign, I want start new manufaktuře and with this I race all champ

 

[Finflash]

I think it actually starts making time back from the chicane onwards though, It can do a 39.6 at the second sector split with some heavy rear bias and a good throw into both Turn 1 and Turn 6. Then its chicane potential is absolutely scary, I didn't get close to it, not too bad in the tighter corners either. Decent car.

I've done 39.7 flat with quite a few tries and I don't see a way faster. I have seen one guy do 39.6 with it before. Hats off.

So if you get the gtr, ferrari etc for example you're half a second slower and Jaguar is not by far the slowest car. I've just tested it a lot in yamagiva that's why I throwed it to you.

 

[mclarenLB]

I've done 39.7 flat with quite a few tries and I don't see a way faster. I have seen one guy do 39.6 with it before. Hats off.

So if you get the gtr, ferrari etc for example you're half a second slower and Jaguar is not by far the slowest car. I've just tested it a lot in yamagiva that's why I throwed it to you.

Yeah, I see where you are coming from, first 2 sectors are not indicative of full lap pace however

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Is this a known thing in FIA? :


Penalized drivers act like ghosts?

I can definitely say that ghosting is possible even if neither driver have a penalty. Check it out here.



Look at the radar. You have an arrow that goes from the left, right through me and ends up on the right side. At the time, I thought I had someone on my inside and was completely taken by surprise when I saw someone on my outside exiting Spoon.

Also check at the 20:08 mark. I have the inside line against the same driver as above going into Turn 1. I can't see any way I won't take the position back. The other driver turns into me and manages to ghost into my car and end up ahead.

I know I didn't have a penalty either time and I saw none for the other driver.

 

[Finflash]

Yeah, I see where you are coming from, first 2 sectors are not indicative of full lap pace however

Yeah of course. It's stable on curbs but you still lose in every acceleration during the whole lap. It's very consistent though I give you that.

Good luck with that mclaren of yours in the FIA 👍

 

[vvise]

the ghosting thing is really strange, and sometimes it's not full ghosting either. In my race someone dove me and phased into my car, but it was a soft ghost. I still got pushed wide and they bounced off me, but the effect was muted for sure.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

The American leaderboard yesterday was all SLSes (including at the top) and Corvettes, with one Nissan, Viper and Supra I think

This is amazing! So if I'm getting this correctly, the US leaderboards are focused on power cars, the Asia leaderboards focused on agility save for the Pug VGT oddball, and then EU leaderboards decided to fool everyone?

 

[mclarenLB]

Yeah of course. It's stable on curbs but you still lose in every acceleration during the whole lap. It's very consistent though I give you that.

Good luck with that mclaren of yours in the FIA 👍

Im not using the McLaren haha, I always sandbag FIA free practice more recently to some extent so people can't see what Im actually planning, whether its by leaving a sub-optimal lap on the leaderboards or using a worse car

 

[W Patrick]

Suggestions for a slow but safe driver? What car should I pick?

 

[bloodyboyblue]

This is amazing! So if I'm getting this correctly, the US leaderboards are focused on power cars, the Asia leaderboards focused on agility save for the Pug VGT oddball, and then EU leaderboards decided to fool everyone?

Most of the Corvettes have now disappeared and currently it is:
SLS
Supra
Viper
911
Evo
Corvette
SLS
Evo
SLS
Lexus

Only the top 6 are in the 31s, all in different cars

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Most of the Corvettes have now disappeared and currently it is:
SLS
Supra
Viper
911
Evo
Corvette
SLS
Evo
SLS
Lexus

Only the top 6 are in the 31s, all in different cars

Whoah

 

[DriftMethod]

Suggestions for a slow but safe driver? What car should I pick?

The AWD Gr.4 cars are really easy to drive and other than the Huracan, the Gr. 3 versions aren't too hard to drive as well. Subaru, Mitsubishi, and Mazda are all decent choices.

 

[bloodyboyblue]

Suggestions for a slow but safe driver? What car should I pick?

I’d take Lexus for sure. Both cars don’t have much wheelspin like the Subaru and Mazda Gr.3s can have, and are a bit more generalist and neutral in their driving characteristics than the 4WD Gr.4s. And both Lexuses are solidly midpack cars that can contend on most tracks.

 

[bloodyboyblue]

So it took a long time but I finished my imprecise test of all the Group 3 cars on Yamagiwa. These are the lap times I ended up with after doing 3-8 laps with all of them. Not going to be impressing anyone with the lap times, mostly just doing it to compare the cars.

32.808 Evo (had a few more tenths) (eats up this track)

32.993 M6 (like an elephant in a minecart, somehow dances around very quickly)

33.058 Viper (understeery and like a piece of lead but very fast)

33.110 GT-R (had another 1-2 tenths) (very planted and fast, some wheelspin though)

33.128 Mazda (neutral)

33.194 Peugeot VGT (the risktakers pick, incredible straight line speed and great handling but don’t touch the grass)

33.209 Jag (neutral)

33.211 FT1 (had another 2-3 tenths) (eats up the track like the Evo)

33.230 Lexus (had another 2-3 tenths) (neutral)

33.247 Beetle (have to thrash it but it has a lot of potential)

33.251 Corvette (had another 1-2) (can’t take to this car, but a lot of people like it)

33.269 AMG (also had to be thrashed, but is pretty consistent and easy to drive as everyone knows)

33.281 Z4 (neutral, but can’t get much faster than this in relation to the top cars)

33.319 Aston (has a lot of potential and straight line speed, drives like the Viper)

33.334 Mustang (too much understeer)

33.371 911 (had another tenth or two) (very neutral, seems easier to drive since they nerfed it, if you’re a 911 fan it’s still a winning car)

33.390 WRX (it exists)

33.409 Ferrari (fast in the right hands, crashed in the wrong hands)

33.442 Citroen (also fast in the right hands, but not bad)

33.493 SLS (I guess some people can drive it, I can’t. Too much understeer)

33.506 NSX (had another 3-4 tenths) (handles great but lacking something still)

33.519 Hyundai (understeer and slow)

33.547 Supra (3-4 more tenths, can’t drive that car whatsoever) (hate it)

33.603 McLaren (it used to drive so much better, still fast on the straights. So many better MR options now)

33.679 Alfa (the car is too small. Bring on the Giulia GT3)

33.690 VW VGT (drives like it looks, lots of wheelspin always)

33.961 RCZ (was really tired, at least could run with the VW) (needs a buff more than any other car)

(The rest I was too lazy to get a clean lap in but the Renault was similar to Peugeot VGT overall less twitchy but less speed. Very competitive.

Lambo = McLaren

Audi is a worse handling NSX, so a bit slower and not really competitive.)

Of course the further I went the more I learned some tricks, so that’s why the M6, Mazda and Peugeot VGT are probably higher than they should be.

Everything was done with my traditional auto transmission on controller, but the moral of the story is that every car other than probably the Z4, Mustang, Hyundai, Hyundai, McLaren, Alfa, VW VGT, RCZ, Lambo, or Audi could win in the right hands. 75% of the class is very even and competitive, on this track at least.

For anyone on the fence, I’d pick the Lancer, GT-R, FT-1, or Lexus. Peugeot or Renault if you’re risky.

 

[suprajef]

So it took a long time but I finished my imprecise test of all the Group 3 cars on Yamagiwa. These are the lap times I ended up with after doing 3-8 laps with all of them. Not going to be impressing anyone with the lap times, mostly just doing it to compare the cars.

32.808 Evo (had a few more tenths) (eats up this track)

32.993 M6 (like an elephant in a minecart, somehow dances around very quickly)

33.058 Viper (understeery and like a piece of lead but very fast)

33.110 GT-R (had another 1-2 tenths) (very planted and fast, some wheelspin though)

33.128 Mazda (neutral)

33.194 Peugeot VGT (the risktakers pick, incredible straight line speed and great handling but don’t touch the grass)

33.209 Jag (neutral)

33.211 FT1 (had another 2-3 tenths) (eats up the track like the Evo)

33.230 Lexus (had another 2-3 tenths) (neutral)

33.247 Beetle (have to thrash it but it has a lot of potential)

33.251 Corvette (had another 1-2) (can’t take to this car, but a lot of people like it)

33.269 AMG (also had to be thrashed, but is pretty consistent and easy to drive as everyone knows)

33.281 Z4 (neutral, but can’t get much faster than this in relation to the top cars)

33.319 Aston (has a lot of potential and straight line speed, drives like the Viper)

33.334 Mustang (too much understeer)

33.371 911 (had another tenth or two) (very neutral, seems easier to drive since they nerfed it, if you’re a 911 fan it’s still a winning car)

33.390 WRX (it exists)

33.409 Ferrari (fast in the right hands, crashed in the wrong hands)

33.442 Citroen (also fast in the right hands, but not bad)

33.493 SLS (I guess some people can drive it, I can’t. Too much understeer)

33.506 NSX (had another 3-4 tenths) (handles great but lacking something still)

33.519 Hyundai (understeer and slow)

33.547 Supra (3-4 more tenths, can’t drive that car whatsoever) (hate it)

33.603 McLaren (it used to drive so much better, still fast on the straights. So many better MR options now)

33.679 Alfa (the car is too small. Bring on the Giulia GT3)

33.690 VW VGT (drives like it looks, lots of wheelspin always)

33.961 RCZ (was really tired, at least could run with the VW) (needs a buff more than any other car)

(The rest I was too lazy to get a clean lap in but the Renault was similar to Peugeot VGT overall less twitchy but less speed. Very competitive.

Lambo = McLaren

Audi is a worse handling NSX, so a bit slower and not really competitive.)

Of course the further I went the more I learned some tricks, so that’s why the M6, Mazda and Peugeot VGT are probably higher than they should be.

Everything was done with my traditional auto transmission on controller, but the moral of the story is that every car other than probably the Z4, Mustang, Hyundai, Hyundai, McLaren, Alfa, VW VGT, RCZ, Lambo, or Audi could win in the right hands. 75% of the class is very even and competitive, on this track at least.

For anyone on the fence, I’d pick the Lancer, GT-R, FT-1, or Lexus. Peugeot or Renault if you’re risky.

Lmao elephant in a minecart! I am picturing it now

 

[Alpha Cipher]

33.390 WRX (it exists)

I t e x i s t s

 

[Pfei]

I t e x i s t s

And I am one of the 67 in the Americas representing it.

 

[bloodyboyblue]

And I am one of the 67 in the Americas representing it.

As am I

To be fair it was the first car I took out so it could probably set a better time than that, but I don’t think it can match the Evo on this track. Since PD seems to generally try to make those two even.

That’s the main thing I noticed in this test. There’s pairs of cars that drive very similarly to each other.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

And I am one of the 67 in the Americas representing it.

As am I

Nice!
I just found his comment quite funny

 

[vvise]

33.334 Mustang (too much understeer).

this sums up the mustang really well, wait till you're in a slipstream...