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Don't worry it's not your fault you made the biggest dive bomb in manufacturer's history
You need to go back and watch your video clip again, (hint start at .40) where you can clearly see the front rnd of the inside car from YOUR FRONT BUMPER VIEW!
Not to mention that the red indicators are clearly giving you full notice there is a car to the inside.

Seems he completed the pass through turn 1 while you left the door open and by the end of the stretch between the two corners he was actually completely ahead by the evidence of your own bumper cam!

Nice driving Matty!
 
but both you and that thomas need some lessons

If these lessons are in crashing into people and breaking competition rules by entering more than once can I skip them please :p

Last time I checked Matty doesn't race with a controller in the "controller noob" car. But, guess who does use the controller :sly:

Perfect photo mate,which clearly shows I am on ideal racing line to exit the corner while you are on a ideal line to kiss the wall or grass on the right, or slam into me which of course happened.

I had a car in this same position in the race, except I gave them room on the inside and they left space for me on the exit. I still kept the position and it was good clean racing.
 
Perfect photo mate,which clearly shows I am on ideal racing line to exit the corner while you are on a ideal line to kiss the wall or grass on the right, or slam into me which of course happened.

But you can't use the racing line when someone is alongside on the inside

If you would have given space on the inside and taken a wider line out you would've got a way better run off the exit and held the position down the straight
 
Perfect photo mate,which clearly shows I am on ideal racing line to exit the corner while you are on a ideal line to kiss the wall or grass on the right, or slam into me which of course happened.
Being on the ideal line don't mean you have a right to the apex.

Overtaking another car requires 1 of the cars to not take the ideal line.
 
I give up explaining the rules of fair play racing,made my point. Obviously, the future is bright with this up coming talent, so disappointed.
 
I give up explaining the rules of fair play racing,made my point. Obviously, the future is bright with this up coming talent, so disappointed.

Because nothing says fair play like turning into other cars like they aren’t there.
 
ergh, made a total mess of the Nations Cup race tonight. First quali lap was alright, was on a better one after but decided to put instead for some reason, thought I had plenty of time but didn't, so my first lap was my only lap. 9th I think. could be worse.

got hit in T1 obviously but didn't really lose out as everyone seemed to hit someone. then I had basically 7 or so laps of being faster than the car ahead, but getting blocked or boxed in or something which slowed me down so the person behind overtook me. frustrating.

made a few places doing the overcut once I had some clean air, and then spent the last few laps battling this one guy who I was faster than but was a bit borderline on his defence a few times. eventually got through through Parabolica, but obviously he then took me into T1 so dunno what the point of that was.

10th in the end. think the fact that my optimal best lap in the race was over 2 seconds faster than my actual best lap says it all - had pace but never actually used it consistently.
 
What is wrong with people in FIA races?! At my dr. B sr. S dailys are relatively clean, but everytime i enter FIA race theres divebombers everywhere. This time i was steady 10th until a guy divebombs me AFTER a curve jumping over the kerb and i spun. Losing some 15 s on that lap and came dead last. Lost some 1000+DR points and that guy ended the race with no penalty left and BLUE SR?!

Spinning someone out - How about a DQ? Stop and go? 15 second penalty? And hey - why let people scrub off penalty in FIA races?! Either take the penalty during pit or add it to final time.

Very disappointed
on FIA races now..
 
Manufacturer's - Dragon Tail: Gardens - Viper Gr. 4

I hate this track. Especially the chicane or whatever it is at the start of the lap.

Anyways, I SOMEHOW managed to get a Clean Race bonus and didn't choke it at all. I qualified into 6th place. I was in 4th for a while, but eventually got passed near the end. I finished in 5th place. I will take that and celebrate while I still celebrate that Korea helped Mexico qualify to the next round of the World Cup.
 


@Matty28 Thanks for making my day today, it brings me so much joy and comfort to my heart knowing we have such great talent in gt sport community.

@PD for everyone's sake, ditch the penalty system for contacts, this is not even funny anymore.


I would have to see this from other angles. In my opinion (just an opinion), there's not enough evidence to suggest whether it was a dive-bomb from this angle alone. Perhaps you did leave the door open and could've offered more room as he went side-by-side out of the final apex. And by doing so, you probably would've kept the momentum to give yourself a better exit than him out of the final corner. Whether Matty would've gave you enough space on the exit remains a question, but I consider @Matty28 probably one of the fairest Brits around, and I think you are one of the fairest also!

If it wasn't for the stupid penalty system, I believe you would be satisfied with the move. And this leads me nicely onto my next point.
It's a real shame that the penalty system is dividing talented drivers and causing friction amongst the community, which is predominantly why I don't enjoy and thus rarely play the game anymore.
 
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When someone is fully alongside/ahead you're supposed to give them a cars width lol
That rule applies for the braking zone only, otherwise car infront has full right to the racing line and the car behind must avoid contact at any cost.
Majority of drivers in GT Sport do not obey this rule and thats why every race is like armaggedon.

you are not the car holding the leading position,
He clearly stays 2nd for the whole time as you can see on the leaderboard.
(To be clear, I dont defend Zoky personaly, I would say this for any driver in this situation)

Now, my manufacturers race... Penalties ahoy!
 
I'm kind of torn here. I really want to enter the manufacturers race, but not sure if I want to miss all the action on the forums. Hasn't been this exciting in a long time! :lol:
 
Watched some highlights over the last month or two. It's embarrassing to see some of the terrible standards of racing from some drivers who were invited to the Nürburgring event, participate in live E-Sports events, are part of racing teams etc. There'll be one or two who think I sound bitter, but this is certainly not the case. I don't understand how some drivers can be so fast yet have almost absolutely zero racing etiquette.
On a positive note, some of the standards of racing has also been fantastic. Beautiful overtakes, giving space etc.
If I was a tenth or two quicker, I would love to race again with the very best (or race in a field where everyone understands racing!)
 
Had a surprisingly good time at Monza in the Red Bull jr. Qualified 8th in a strong room. Turn 1 was relatively carnage free and came out in 7th. Turn 2 however a few cars collided and I came out in third. Managed to keep that till one lap before pitting when I made an error and 4th place overtook me.

After the pitstops I was in 5th place but 4th spun off and I was gaining fast on third who was saving fuel I think. Overtook him on the straight going into the last lap and brought it home in 3rd with 0.1 fuel left for 1145 points.

Pretty pleased as I only did 3 practice laps in the jr before and hated it when racing it when it was in a daily race.

Now on almost 2000pnt total. I'm out on saturday so this is my final score this season.
 
Watched some highlights over the last month or two. It's embarrassing to see some of the terrible standards of racing from some drivers who were invited to the Nürburgring event, participate in live E-Sports events, are part of racing teams etc. There'll be one or two who think I sound bitter, but this is certainly not the case. I don't understand how some drivers can be so fast yet have almost absolutely zero racing etiquette.

Got to admit, ever since FIA started theres been some incidents where you can clearly see people throwing any sort of spirit of fair play out to gain a position.
You can kind of expect it now theres suddenly a prize on the line, but some incidents I've seen being posted around over the last week are an absolute joke. All good though because the stewarding at the live events is super strict so I can feel good knowing some of these drivers will get slammed with penalties when it comes to the finals.

(This isn't refering to the Matty Zoky thing, that was honestly a tame incident blown way out of proportion for what it was)
 
I just finished the Monza race with the X2014. No contact. No penalties.

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He clearly stays 2nd for the whole time as you can see on the leaderboard.
(To be clear, I dont defend Zoky personaly, I would say this for any driver in this situation)

I do not know or defend either driver from a personal standpoint.

But if you look at the video and pause or freeze frame it at .40 seconds then you can clearly see the nose of the car to the inside or left side.

You can clearly see the red indicator on the hud that shows a car to the inside or left side and this is before we are at the point of the apex of what would be considered the second left hand corner at that point on the Track.

Also the view that is being used is the front bumper cam as it has the rearview mirror as part as the view.

With that camera angle you would not be able to pick up the nose of the inside car unless it was basically clear of the car with the bumper cam viewpoint.

Even if the inside cars nose was only up to the front tire area of the outside car that would still be plenty ample to determine position and entitlement to that lane of the track he is occupying but it is clear that he is further forward than that.

As far as the leader board not showing a change that is not a requirement to own the position or lane on the track.

From a racing standpoint it was not required for the inside car to be ahead of the outside car at that position on the track only abreast of the outside car which the view fully shows he was.

You have to remember although as a racing line it may be desirable to treat the corners as one and connect them as such for the most efficient line you are actually dealing with two separate corners with each corner being singular having its own apex and the rules of position will apply as separate corners.

If you watch as the cars enter the first corner the outside car had to remain in the outer lane as the leader of the race owned the inside line going into corner one.

The outside car was not protective and left the door open on the inside lane through turn one as he was setting up for the second corner and Matty took advantage of such oversight and filled the inside lane prior to the cars reaching that second corner.

In my opinion Matty met the criteria to be far forward enough to the car he was beside prior to entering that second corner to be entitled to the racing line he was occupying.

If a penalty was to be handed out in that incident the game got it correct by penalizing the outside car in that incident.

We all have opinions on what the rules of overtaking but if I was in a position as race steward over this incident with the evidence as presented this is the way I would rule.
 
That rule applies for the braking zone only, otherwise car infront has full right to the racing line and the car behind must avoid contact at any cost.
Majority of drivers in GT Sport do not obey this rule and thats why every race is like armaggedon.
We're talking about cars being side by side though. You can only legitimately use all the track if you are ahead. "Ahead" is a bit of a grey area and isn't defined in FIA rules but seems to generally be if the nose of the car behind is less than half way up the car in front. If I was not alongside by that much it would be my fault.
Take a look at this clip of me with Indianfood making a rather mental pass on me. This is how you race side by side with another driver without contact. (video starts at appropriate time)

And actually just after that, the little contact with Tidgney at T1 is quite similar to the contact with Zoky except the other way around and I'd say it was my fault if I had to apportion blame.

He clearly stays 2nd for the whole time as you can see on the leaderboard.
(To be clear, I dont defend Zoky personaly, I would say this for any driver in this situation)]
You can visually see I was fully alongside, a game is always going to be a bit wonky determining a live position. If you look at the split to the guy behind when you outbrake yourself you'll see it go up loads and then go back down loads for example.
 
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Ended up winning!!!!!!! Super happy with this race. It was so tough but so fun battling it out. I honestly had no hopes at all for this combo but what ended up being great was just how challenging these cars are to drive around Monza so it avoided the typical carnage of a Gr.3 or lower kind of race. I pushed the limits really hard too. You can check the race out here:
 
I was watching @ZokyCRO twitch stream at the time of the manufacturers race. In my opinion, @Matty28 was a bit too agressive on the move on the last double apex turn. The biggest problem here is the penalty system. Any kind of contact you get massive pens.

There was also another incident in the race on the back straight where @Matty28 had overlap on you @ZokyCRO and you tried to push him out of track or force him to brake on the straight, he didnt lift, as he shouldnt, and you spun out. This was 100% your fault.

You lost concentration a bit and did some other questionable moves also. You were fast as hell, shame the still terrible penalty system and some bad moves made you lose focus. You shouldve won the race, or at least finish 2nd easily.

I know @Matty28 very well, raced against him multiple times, he's very clean. Just unfortunate events.

My races were VERY eventful too, especially manufactures. I'm uploading them both, will post here once they're up.
 
I called the Jaguar a pig at Dragon Trail Gardens. Still is and I almost had the worst qualifying session I've ever had. Then I do the unthinkable and matched my practice lobby time for a 3rd place starting spot. A good driver in the Viper was on my tail the entire race and I needed all my concentration just to keep him roughly half a second back. The top 2 guys battled during the second stint and both got penalties. Wasn't enough to jump both but I did steal 2nd with a clean drive. Completely unexpected but welcome result. 👍
 
... I guess I got off easy...



Pole & Win after a disasterous first race for me last Saturday. Been having issues for the past few days so getting the win was a much needed breath of fresh air.

Race start @ 32:10
 
I called the Jaguar a pig at Dragon Trail Gardens. Still is and I almost had the worst qualifying session I've ever had. Then I do the unthinkable and matched my practice lobby time for a 3rd place starting spot. A good driver in the Viper was on my tail the entire race and I needed all my concentration just to keep him roughly half a second back. The top 2 guys battled during the second stint and both got penalties. Wasn't enough to jump both but I did steal 2nd with a clean drive. Completely unexpected but welcome result. 👍
Hey, I was in that race. It looks like you forgot to prove me wrong! ;) Your recent stats seem to contradict what you said earlier. Here's a reminder:

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