FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[watto79]

R8 LMS felt too inconsistent with me, to the point where I spun out in the second half of a practice race.
Also tried the 911 RSR, and I was sliding a lot at the end. Interestingly, I think the long 1st gear hurts its rear tires, as you have to be super careful with it to prevent wheelspin.
NSX worked out the best for me. I was able to consistently get 2:36's, and the throttle control felt a lot easier for me in that car.

@Jwptexas Fuel isn't an issue. They likely had the multipliers mixed up; they likely had Fuel x6 Tires x2, instead of Fuel x2 Tires x6

Having done the race distance in both the R8 and the NSX I'm fully sold on the NSX. Much more stable and consistent.

Were you doing consistent 36's for the full 11 laps, without pitting? If so, that's seriously impressive. I could only get 36's after pitting but was otherwise in the 37's.

I still don't think pitting is the fastest approach, although think the pit loss is nearer 10 seconds now. I just can't see making up that time over 5/6 laps. You're more of an expert on these things though

 

[Ashthebash]

This was the state of the tyres on an R8 after 11 laps. They were sketchy as they look. Funnily it felt like decent lap times were still possible but it was getting increasingly difficult to not slide, and every slide made the problem worse. I'd do a purple sector and then drift around the next corner.

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Now for the really bad news. Pit loss for tyres only I clocked at 11.5 seconds (!) I'm no expert on strategies and often call it wrong, but looks like the fastest strategy is to no stop, BUT LOOK AFTER THE TYRES!!!

I'm sure pitting will result in picking up positions as people slide off the track, but feel like whoever wins will be the pros at driving in the wet.

Going to try the NSX though, maybe that's better....

Just done a lobby in the 911 and my tyre wear was similar on the rears - there is scope for improvement though as I only had BB two to the front. It was almost exclusively an A+/S lobby and plenty of people were falling off the track and picking up penalties. Once pit stops had settled and I had some clean air in the second half of the race it was all high 36s and low 37s - then I crashed! But that can happen. Name of the game tomorrow will be keep it clean, and as you say, look after those tyres. Pitting could work both ways and I think it's safer to stay out. A guy right ahead of me in a Porsche pitted and even with my crash - which cost around 8s - he wasn't anywhere near making the ground up.

But I'll still have a try in the NSX in the morning!

 

[Mistah_MCA]

Having done the race distance in both the R8 and the NSX I'm fully sold on the NSX. Much more stable and consistent.

Were you doing consistent 36's for the full 11 laps, without pitting? If so, that's seriously impressive. I could only get 36's after pitting but was otherwise in the 37's.

I still don't think pitting is the fastest approach, although think the pit loss is nearer 10 seconds now. I just can't see making up that time over 5/6 laps. You're more of an expert on these things though

Took another look at the replay. I had some 37's and a 38, from the car getting slidey and stuff. Either way, 0 stop still looks like the better way to go about this race.

 

[Ashthebash]

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[Moon_k]

I was supposed to post this earlier, but the recording had lots of skips in it so I had to manually replace the missing onboard live clips with the one with the replay to make the experience smoother. The race went well tho.

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[Baka_Marimo]

Looks like I'm only gonna take part in the last 3 slots tomorrow. If I get off of work in time I'll have about 20 minutes to get home and enter, which is plenty. I've had a few practice laps in the Peugeot VGT which has an MR layout as well but the wet surface is giving me a hard time. I feel like a lot of people are going to bin it in this race so consistency really is the key here.

I also noticed that the game allows you to use two different tyre types at once. Would the car be easier to control if you used Intermediates at the front?

 

[Granadier]

Alsace is gonna be a hoot on Wednesday.

Definitely feels like it’s going to be a challenge to maintain pace as the tires wear given how many heavy grip-dependent corner exits there are. Especially with all the track elevation changes.

 

[ShiftingGears]

Alsace is a steaming turd, not particularly keen for it.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Decided doing a video for Manu T16 wasn't worth the effort. All the action was within the Top 6. Starting P8 put me way outside on the first part of the bus stop which all but cost me P9 right away. I told myself repeatedly to safety lift at Eau Rouge because of understeer with cold tires; car pushed anyways. Lost P8 and my race was effectively over. If only the rolling start was done properly, we might've been in the lead pack. Instead...

So far away.

 

[KosmoKazi]

I was supposed to post this earlier, but the recording had lots of skips in it so I had to manually replace the missing onboard live clips with the one with the replay to make the experience smoother. The race went well tho.

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I’ll say it again, kudos to PD for the fantastic BoP... so fun to be able to hustle the cars so close, each of us in our comfort zones and with small advantages but still so close in net performance. At a track like Spa and a different track like Sardegna. It’s easy to complain but I think they by and large have made the game really fun as it stands.

 

[Granadier]

Decided doing a video for Manu T16 wasn't worth the effort. All the action was within the Top 6. Starting P8 put me way outside on the first part of the bus stop which all but cost me P9 right away. I told myself repeatedly to safety lift at Eau Rouge because of understeer with cold tires; car pushed anyways. Lost P8 and my race was effectively over. If only the rolling start was done properly, we might've been in the lead pack. Instead...

So far away.

Watching this race right now and it just surprises me they still started smack in the middle of the bus stop when the auto-drive started sooo far back.

Spa really has one of the worst starting positions of any track in the game.

Sorry to hear you got Sainz’d

 

[Rangeraus]

Watching this race right now and it just surprises me they still started smack in the middle of the bus stop when the auto-drive started sooo far back.

Spa really has one of the worst starting positions of any track in the game.

I would say the worst of any track that is regularly used in Sport Mode.

If you start P7 or lower, your race is over by Turn 1, as you've already lost the draft of P6, who only pulls further away on the long run up to Les Combes. This being a sprint race means you needed crashes or penalties to give you any chance of catching the leader from then on.

Having a much closer rolling start might solve that issue.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Watching this race right now and it just surprises me they still started smack in the middle of the bus stop when the auto-drive started sooo far back.

Spa really has one of the worst starting positions of any track in the game.

Sorry to hear you got Sainz’d

I would say the worst of any track that is regularly used in Sport Mode.

If you start P7 or lower, your race is over by Turn 1, as you've already lost the draft of P6, who only pulls further away on the long run up to Les Combes. This being a sprint race means you needed crashes or penalties to give you any chance of catching the leader from then on.

Having a much closer rolling start might solve that issue.

I'd rather they move the starting point to either right before the bus stop or after T1.

Alsace will likely be a one-and-done deal with the GT-R. To paraprhase the Simpsons, "My tires! The BOP change do nothing!".

 

[Granadier]

I'd rather they move the starting point to either right before the bus stop or after T1.

Alsace will likely be a one-and-done deal with the GT-R. To paraprhase the Simpsons, "My tires! The BOP change do nothing!".

Yeah, but that free practice pace though. I managed to get into the 58.7s in the M4, but holy is it hard to match the corner exit speeds these AWD cars have here.

Also starting after T1 would match how real GT races are begun at Spa. I'd much rather have that then have my race determined by the bus stop before it even begins.

 

[The359]

I'd rather they move the starting point to either right before the bus stop or after T1.

The 24 hours uses the downhill after T1 for the start line since they also use that pit lane, it makes much more sense to me. It'd even avoid a lot of drama at Eau Rouge since no one would be up to speed. Standing starts might be an issue though...

The Ferrari seems pretty equal on pace to the NSX so far, managed some good lap times and it seems competitive in test races. But there is no way it can go 11 laps unless I'm slowly coasting through every corner, the back end wants to start swapping ends around Lap 7.

 

[05XR8]

RC F for me. I'll take overall stability, instead of shakey hands in this one.

Edit: Got held up by a D/S NSX in the final chicane. It had a penalty and crept thru the turns. I was on for pole. The Ford GT grabbed it right behind me.

Edit: Kept the top three in sight from the start. They got mixed up around Lap 3. Moved me up to P2 behind the P1 911 until I pit mid-race. Just did my own thing.

Ferrari behind pitted as well. I came out in 3rd right behind a different 911. 11.3s from P1. Passed the P2 911 on the straight.

P1 pits, as Time was dropping about 1s per sector. Comes out direectly behind, bbut cold tyres.

Lead from Lap6 - Lap9. Left the door open at Start of Lap 10. Tyres weren't bad, I just left the door open and knew the RSR wasn't going to be good on the last lap. Sure enough, it's sliding and nearly goes off on the descent. Finish gap is what it is.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Wasn't going to bother with Nation's today as I thought it would be carnage, but my practice laps were reasonable so I had a shot in the socond race.

Ended up qualifying 9th off a pretty scruffy lap so I felt a bit more confident, although still didn't know if I would have to pit or not in the Aston.

Ended up being a great race, the wet does make everyone chill out abit and focus on their car control. Had good battles with almost everyone in the top 10-11 at some point.

Was still wondering if I had to pit and realised it was lap 9 so just kept going finishing a tidy 5th.

Good luck to anyone racing tonight

 

[Redneckchef]

Oh well. Tried some practice but not helping. Penalties on both my qualifying laps mean I don't set a lap. My practice times would only really move me up 3 or 4 spots anyway. So another round of lapping in the back trying to take advantage of others' misfortune.

And it was worse than I planned. I got a free spot at the bus stop on the start, then spent 2 laps following a GT-R who kept full on braking middle of eau rouge. I get past him, then skate a touch wide and let him back past, just in time to get behind another car recovering. No matter how early I brake I am still all up into their rear bumpers, taking evasive action. After 2 bumps of this guy (who always raves me clean) i brake 50m earlier than my rain braking point into the bus stop, making sure I am not in his slipstream. Nope. Heading towards him.like a rocket. Have to pull hard left, manage to avoid him. And I very slowly turn it around and inch back on track. I gave up then. No matter what I couldn't stop behind other cars so was a danger. Was 10 sec behind. Ended up finishing 1 above last as the other driver was trying the FT-1.

Waste of my time, but at least I didnt ruin races. I had the actual pace to compete, but definitely was missing something in traffic, meaning I shouldn't compete. Another night of donating to FIA. But at least it was just my lack of skill. That I can work on.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Went from 13th to 8th in first slot, top 1.5 split...in the RCZ Pug power FTW !!! Everyone else was either in NSX or 911, except Holland was in the Huracan. Don't be scared of picking a non-meta, rain really is a great equalizer (think Senna in Toleman at Monazo '94).

As others have said saving tyres is key. Pitting costs too much time. Just keep it at 90% for the first half of the race, and watch yourself fly past everyone else in the later half. If you do it right your rear tyres should be around 60-70% in the end. Sketchy, but still drivable. If you don't save you'll drop below 50% and it's a real struggle to keep it on the road. Move BB max forward, short shift coming out of corners and square off the corners to minimize lateral force. I don't find TC helpful personally, it slows you down too much and creates too much understeer (which can lead to you overturning the car, and creating more oversteer paradoxically).

Watching this race right now and it just surprises me they still started smack in the middle of the bus stop when the auto-drive started sooo far back.

Spa really has one of the worst starting positions of any track in the game.

Sorry to hear you got Sainz’d

This is what's gonna happen with every Sport Mode race on the new Trial Mountain layout.

#BringBackRealTrialMountain

 

[Rangeraus]

Started P5, finished P4. Did about 6 laps of practice in race conditions so I'm not unhappy about it.

It's a zero-stop race and the NSX is what you want, avoid wheelspin!

 

[RX8 Racer]

Qualifying was a little too close for comfort for me. My first flying lap was ruined by someone being absolutely glacial on the inside at Pouhon's exit, sending me into his rear bumper and giving me a 3 second penalty. I had to reset to the pits, knowing that I had to nail the one flying lap I had left. It wasn't as fast as I would have liked, but I got 3rd, only falling behind the 2 A drivers. My lap was mostly without slipstream, save for when I blitzed past a struggling numazu5000 at the Courbe Paul Frere. He clearly wasn't having a good time, being the only driver to set a lap over 3 minutes.

As for the race itself, take a look at this photo and guess which lap it was taken on:

Would you believe me if I told you this was on lap 2?

Even without the disadvantage of a Spa rolling start, it was clear that 4th place just didn't have the pace to catch up to me. By the same token, I stood no chance of taking 2nd place. So I became hyper careful at Radillion (dropping to double-digit speeds on one lap) and coasting the hell out of Blanchimont.

I finished 3rd in the easiest, but most tedious podium of my career. 38 seconds behind the lead and 20 seconds ahead of 4th place. Nobody else crossed the finish line.

 

[KosmoKazi]

Went from 13th to 8th in first slot, top 1.5 split...in the RCZ Pug power FTW !!! Everyone else was either in NSX or 911, except Holland was in the Huracan. Don't be scared of picking a non-meta, rain really is a great equalizer (think Senna in Toleman at Monazo '94).

As others have said saving tyres is key. Pitting costs too much time. Just keep it at 90% for the first half of the race, and watch yourself fly past everyone else in the later half. If you do it right your rear tyres should be around 60-70% in the end. Sketchy, but still drivable. If you don't save you'll drop below 50% and it's a real struggle to keep it on the road. Move BB max forward, short shift coming out of corners and square off the corners to minimize lateral force. I don't find TC helpful personally, it slows you down too much and creates too much understeer (which can lead to you overturning the car, and creating more oversteer paradoxically).



This is what's gonna happen with every Sport Mode race on the new Trial Mountain layout.

#BringBackRealTrialMountain

Fantastic post... exactly the kind of good insight that I appreciate from those who race in the earlier time zones, to help with our races. If you know what you're doing and listen to these hints it is a huge help. Thanks a lot!

 

[Pigems]

Skipping Nations to play ACC tonight. Good Luck in your races tonight fellas!

 

[KosmoKazi]

Skipping Nations to play ACC tonight. Good Luck in your races tonight fellas!

As a trusted and respected member of the GT Sport community here... looking forward to your review. As I see it, a nice half-step to iRacing and perhaps something to hold me over until I'm ready to flip to a PS5 (not at launch... that's for sure), with some more 'serious' racing potential. Hope to hear how you like it!

 

[Razgriz2118]

These posts are tempting me to try Nations tonight... but I was busy all of yesterday and didn't practice at all. Decisions, decisions lol.

 

[The359]

I have a feeling a lot of people are going to skip Nations, meaning some very low points. So either you have fun with a race that means nothing, or you ruin your DR with a lot of spins.

 

[watto79]

Started 13th, pushed wide at turn 1 and again at whatever the corner is at the top of the hill putting me down to last place. Finished 11th because I was able to keep my car on the track and pointing in the right direction for the rest of the race

Don't think I'll race again as I didn't find it much fun, constantly on the knife edge of control and skidding off.

Race was made up of 18 NSX's, 1 RCZ and a single brave soul in an Aston Martin.

 

[O604]

Started 13th, pushed wide at turn 1 and again at whatever the corner is at the top of the hill putting me down to last place. Finished 11th because I was able to keep my car on the track and pointing in the right direction for the rest of the race

Don't think I'll race again as I didn't find it much fun, constantly on the knife egde of control and skidding off.

Race was made up of 18 NSX's, 1 RCZ and a single brave soul in an Aston Martin.

What about the brave souls outside the Aston?

 

[GTWolverine]

I have a feeling a lot of people are going to skip Nations, meaning some very low points. So either you have fun with a race that means nothing, or you ruin your DR with a lot of spins.

Or try to repair your DR after a reset in Daily Race C last weekend, and hoping that the lack of participants means higher-ranked players being mixed in with the lower-ranked ones to improve the average DR of the race and allowing me to gain back more than I otherwise would...

(I was a few hundred DR shy of breaking in to A+, got reset to DR B, and now I'm a few hundred away from getting into DR A again).

 

[dlshearon]

I'm with @Pigems, I may skip if I'm sucked into ACC.
I need to repair my SR after drinkin and driving at Monza on a Saturday night.
Maybe start at the back and watch everyone run off.
I usually like to break out the Stars and Stripes Mustang during Nations.
Good luck everyone.