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KosmoKazi
I know that as a Porsche driver it is easy to see it the other way... but I think that having some variety in the race formats, including this fuel saving race on a unique track, is good overall. (and I'm not particularly good at fuel saving races.) The Porsche have been up against the field without strengths for most of the first half of the season, until the last race or so, so a race that played into it was welcome from my part and the balance over the whole season is fair enough. That's how it can be in real racing as well... every track will offer a different experience.

And I really came to like the challenge of this particular layout... having never driven on it before, I loved the rhythm of it and the mental challenge of being patient every turn, to be faster, was fun. It took me nearly 50 laps of practice to get the last turn down, and even then, I didn't hit it perfectly every time, and that cost me a podium spot when I failed to get a run on the Viper ahead of me on the last lap of my race. All fair game.

With that result, and a solid last round at Barcelona, I've put my Manufacturers Series standing back on track... top 25 for Porsche, number 1 in state, and higher than my overall ranking from the last season. But still far off of my goal. With two decent opportunities ahead, at Laguna, where I'm pretty disciplined, and at Suzuka in Gr4 where I've had good runs before- I hope to bump it up just a little further.

Now I need to get my Nations Cup standings sorted out! That RBJr race is shaping up to be a fun one... That car is so fun... the harder you push it, the faster you go, and the more separation you create in your lap times. Winged formula cars are pretty cool animals. I've put in a bunch of practice, can't bump into the 1:37's yet but consistently running 1:38.5's-- so I hope come race day I put in a decent qualifying lap and then a solid top-8 or so finish.

Star Player is not going to happen again this season, but getting into the top 200 for both series would be great, and though there are fewer players this season, compared to the last one- improving my overall ranking will be a nice accomplishment.
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My quote was more about me qualifying well, getting hit in the first race and losing touch with the lead pack. Pushing to catch the pack, which took me out of fuel strategy and even though I finished well, what could have been the possibility?

The second was, me being on pole, pulling away and getting disconnected on Lap 6.
I was in a non-META GT-R. If anything, this track(and multipliers) revealed the GT-R was pretty darned good. It's just the planets didn't stay aligned.
Again, what could have been...
 
Tidgney
If you missed the stream... then I'd recommend you don't miss this! Literally unbelievable finish :D!

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seeing that, and knowing how much fuel I had onboard at the end of the Tokyo race last night, man, did I really blow it in the Cayman... saved WAY too much fuel early. If 0% is really 1%, and I had 4% or so left at the end, I could have run nearly full rich from lap 2 and been ok just managing the throttle and revs all race... opportunity lost, lesson learned, about the fuel indicator and measurements! Nice work, Tidgney! Fun stuff.
 
FANCY CLOWN
I am a D/S player, with 1 DR at the moment. I am garbage at this game.

Turismo-lester is in my lobby. I did overtake him...during qualifying, when he was on an out lap. Let's see how this goes.
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That race went pretty well, honestly. I know Tokyo East like the back of my hand, and I was able to make a couple of clean overtakes simply by knowing the braking points better. I fuel-saved like crazy in the Atenza and managed a P12 with only one penalty. I obviously never had a chance of making podium, since NA matchmaking is super messed up and there was a pack of 8 or so A/S players at the top.

My DR went up to 251!
 
FANCY CLOWN
That race went pretty well, honestly. I know Tokyo East like the back of my hand, and I was able to make a couple of clean overtakes simply by knowing the braking points better. I fuel-saved like crazy in the Atenza and managed a P12 with only one penalty. I obviously never had a chance of making podium, since NA matchmaking is super messed up and there was a pack of 8 or so A/S players at the top.

My DR went up to 251!
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Long live the D/S squad!!

Completely understand your comment on matchmaking but haven't had any problems in the Manufacturer's series (Daily races is another thing entirely). I seem to get matched with other D/S drivers in this series. I will say that looking at their qualification times has me believing some have had recent DR resets.

I personally am good (in my opinion) with the Tokyo tracks but was a little hesitant because the awkward penalty system. I got 1 orange arrow on L1T1 due to someone rear ending me half way through the turn. On this track (and others) racers need to look 2-3 cars ahead. I couldn't go any faster because someone was on my front bumper but that is Tokyo.

I have been running my alt account for FIA because it gives me better race start times due to my location and using my prime for Daily races. I finally have been able to get my accounts above 500 for a few races but I think that has been to much practicing on very select tracks. Have you tried Daily B yet? It is a good track to gain some DR (I gained 113 by going from Q9 to P8).

Enjoy your racing!
 
The_Tullster
DR gains are based on your finish position and the difference in DR rating between you and the other drivers. You'll get the same amount of DR finishing 2nd from a 1st place start as you would finishing 2nd from a last place start if it's the same field of drivers in each case.
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Yes, on average approximately 80-100 DR points for every racer you are ahead of. Same goes for the loss of DR for those ahead of you. Also variations in DR ratings is taken into account. Got it.

I was just trying to say for a near mid-pack racer (like myself) that finishing 1 or 2 places above where you qualified should gain you 80-100 DR on average (saying you actually finish mid-pack (10th +/-) or better). Right now I pretty much try to finish 1-2 better than where I start. That is a good race for me. Sorry if it didn't come across that way.
 
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I didn’t race at Tokyo in the end. There was no chance of fuel saving with the McLaren and I wasn’t consistent enough.

I did about an hour practice of the Nations race last night and after a bit I was consistently lapping around the 1:38.5 mark, which I was pretty pleased with. Those RBJr cars are great fun to drive. I expect the start will be fun with a grid start.
 
SlowDriver87
I didn’t race at Tokyo in the end. There was no chance of fuel saving with the McLaren and I wasn’t consistent enough.

I did about an hour practice of the Nations race last night and after a bit I was consistently lapping around the 1:38.5 mark, which I was pretty pleased with. Those RBJr cars are great fun to drive. I expect the start will be fun with a grid start.
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I did a lobby practice race last night and the first chicane was about as congested as to be expected. Surprisingly, in my lobby everyone came through it unscathed and with minimal contact. But yes, be aware - the potential for carnage is high.

My big challenge is to go 10 laps without binning it. I feel like my pace is good for my DR but given my performance in practice the last couple days it seems like I have about a 30-40% chance of binning it any given lap. Which is down from 50%, so there's that...

But be very aware of the fact that it's fairly easy to destabilize these cars. Getting too high up on the curbs in the esses has been my main way of trying to hospitalize myself but I've also found some pretty random ways to lose control of the car. Sustained concentration and smooth inputs are key here.
 
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barak181
I did a lobby practice race last night and the first chicane was about as congested as to be expected. Surprisingly, in my lobby everyone came through it unscathed and with minimal contact. But yes, be aware - the potential for carnage is high.

My big challenge is to go 10 laps without binning it. I feel like my pace it good for my DR but given my performance in practice the last couple days it seems like I have about a 30-40% chance of binning it any given lap. Which is down from 50%, so there's that...

But be very aware of the fact that it's fairly easy to destabilize these cars. Getting too high up on the curbs in the esses has been my main way of trying to hospitalize myself but I've also found some pretty random ways to lose control of the car. Sustained concentration and smooth inputs are key here.
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I keep losing quite a bit of time in the first chicane, so I've been trying to find the very inside edge of the curbs and just end up nearly backflipping more often than not. It looks like it's gonna be the "slow and steady" approach for me in this race.
 
GTWolverine
I keep losing quite a bit of time in the first chicane, so I've been trying to find the very inside edge of the curbs and just end up nearly backflipping more often than not. It looks like it's gonna be the "slow and steady" approach for me in this race.
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For me, I've found that slowing down for the entry more than I would expect I would have to allows me to line up the exit and get on the throttle earlier. That took something like .5 sec off my lap time, right there.
 
GTWolverine
I keep losing quite a bit of time in the first chicane, so I've been trying to find the very inside edge of the curbs and just end up nearly backflipping more often than not. It looks like it's gonna be the "slow and steady" approach for me in this race.
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It's a perplexing spot... seems to me that it's about keeping the speed up into the first left portion, and the real key is that transition from that min speed and getting on the throttle hard... to keep the aero on the front wing so that the right hander is taken flat out and at that highest speed coming off that left. I think it's also counter-intuitive that you want to dive into the whole complex hard, but I think if you back it up a bit and don't slam into the first apex, you can keep the speed (and aero force) up, then gain that speed on exit. I've collected 0.6 from there to the kink, when nailing it just so... I just can't repeat it.

I think it will be a fun race, but hopefully people are clean.


...and I LOVE DTS Seaside... I think it's just a great racing track. PD did an amazing job in creating it.
 
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barak181
For me, I've found that slowing down for the entry more than I would expect I would have to allows me to line up the exit and get on the throttle earlier. That took something like .5 sec off my lap time, right there.
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KosmoKazi
It's a perplexing spot... seems to me that it's about keeping the speed up into the first left portion, and the real key is that transition from that min speed and getting on the throttle hard... to keep the aero on the front wing so that the right hander is taken flat out and at that highest speed coming off that left. I think it's also counter-intuitive that you want to dive into the whole complex hard, but I think if you back it up a bit and don't slam into the first apex, you can keep the speed (and aero force) up, then gain that speed on exit. I've collected 0.6 from there to the kink, when nailing it just so... I just can't repeat it.

I think it will be a fun race, but hopefully people are clean.
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Yeah I've noticed these myself as well. I think I've just already nailed the first chicane as good as I can. I see people in the Top 10 replays absolutely flying through the first part of the chicane and riding the inside lip of the curb on the 2nd part and making so much time up on me. I've seen multiple approaches yield the same result though, so maybe it's just a matter of finding one that I can replicate. Other than that, the biggest adjustment for me was the hairpin after the first chicane. I actually have to spend quite a bit of time coasting in order to get the car to properly rotate so I can get a good exit.
 
GTWolverine
I keep losing quite a bit of time in the first chicane, so I've been trying to find the very inside edge of the curbs and just end up nearly backflipping more often than not. It looks like it's gonna be the "slow and steady" approach for me in this race.
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It’s about entry. I just can’t get my line like @Jwptexas, and have been trying to enter the chicane as early as possible like you. But that risk, and what seems to me is a sacrifice of exit speed, but I think in the race is better for tire wear and risk management than sending it and hoping for the best. Though, consistency is against me and getting it right lap to lap is embarrassingly bad.

I’ve never driven this layout in a FIA race with the track limits. Not much of the COD can we really cut? I’ve got a line in FP where I’m nearly straight lining the final section. But I’m barely on the actual race surface.

Not the best track choice, but at least it’s not Fuji.
 
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HaydenFan69
It’s about entry. I just can’t my line like @Jwptexas, and have been trying to enter the chicane as early as possible like you. But that risk and what seems to me is a sacrifice of exit speed, but I think in the race is better for tire wear and risk management than sending it and hoping for the best. Though, consistency is against me and getting it right lap to lap is embarrassingly bad.

I’ve never driven this layout in a FIA race with the track limits. Not much of the COD can we really cut? I’ve got a line in FP where in nearly straight lining the final section. But I’m barely on the actual race surface.

Not the best track choice, but at least it’s not Fuji.
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I think the only places it's possible to even run afoul of track limits are the slight left kink on the front straight just before the start/finish line, and on the exit of the esses. You've got bigger problems to worry about if you find yourself in either location in these cars though...
 
barak181
I did a lobby practice race last night and the first chicane was about as congested as to be expected. Surprisingly, in my lobby everyone came through it unscathed and with minimal contact. But yes, be aware - the potential for carnage is high.

My big challenge is to go 10 laps without binning it. I feel like my pace is good for my DR but given my performance in practice the last couple days it seems like I have about a 30-40% chance of binning it any given lap. Which is down from 50%, so there's that...

But be very aware of the fact that it's fairly easy to destabilize these cars. Getting too high up on the curbs in the esses has been my main way of trying to hospitalize myself but I've also found some pretty random ways to lose control of the car. Sustained concentration and smooth inputs are key here.
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That’s the exact same place I’ve been binning it too. There and on the first left hander of the first chicane. I keep riding the kerb too much and it sends the front of the car in to the air.

I got my free practice time down do 1:35.3xx, and can go a bit quicker. Now I need to try a lobby race and see how the tyre wear is. I’ve got no idea how many stops people are expecting to make, and if refuelling will be required.
 
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SlowDriver87
That’s the exact same place I’ve been binning it too. There and on the first left hander of the first chicane. I keep riding the kerb too much and it sends the front of the car in to the air.

I got my free practice time down do 1:35.3xx, and can go a bit quicker. Now I need to try a lobby race and see how the tyre wear is. I’ve got no idea how many stops people are expecting to make, and if refuelling will be required.
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It's a no-stopper. These cars are so light that even the high tire multiplier doesn't have a large effect. Also, you can also fuel-burn at the starting line and still be fine to the end.
 
Oh well. Was looking forward to viewing carnage and dicing with the chicanes tonight but my wife has pulled rank to watch the garbage election results.:yuck:

Oh well. Maybe a chip I can play back later. Looking forward to all the good reports back from those that survive, and the reviews from those who make the best epic carnage.;)

Good luck everyone
 
Not that Ive just wished virtual death upon me with me next line, but what's the problem with the RBJr? I like the car. it's slow but fast enough. Sticks to the road and brakes loose. Allows players to go 10/10 and can reward or bite if they choose to stay at 10/10.
Granted, I'm still two seconds off P1, with my inital FP time. DTS is still a big enough circuit to attack, defend, give space and race sid-by-side. In these cars. The race can't wind up that bad.
 
05XR8
Not that Ive just wished virtual death upon me with me next line, but what's the problem with the RBJr? I like the car. it's slow but fast enough. Sticks to the road and brakes loose. Allows players to go 10/10 and can reward or bite if they choose to stay at 10/10.
Granted, I'm still two seconds off P1, with my inital FP time. DTS is still a big enough circuit to attack, defend, give space and race sid-by-side. In these cars. The race can't wind up that bad.
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The problem is that we’re doing a grid start into a tight chicane. Trying to fit 20 cars into that chicane is not going to end well....
 
This is going to be an interesting race for me personally, because it's taken quite a bit for me to get used to this car and track combo. I've found that coasting a bit in the hairpins really rotates the car in a stable fashion and lets me get on the power, but I'm still working out how to do it best. And it didn't help that it seemed like interest in the race is low since the lobby I created at around 7pm EST was empty for over an hour, minus @Granadier who popped in close to when I was finishing, so I didn't get to actually try races and see how slipstream affects handling and braking.

After A LOT of practice, I'm able to get into the 1:39s in race conditions (fuel+tire wear), but I haven't tried FP again to see how I stack up against everyone. Before I wasn't doing too so well with FP, barely getting below a 1:38. So hopefully I don't murder people tomorrow.


05XR8
The race can't wind up that bad.
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Hopefully those aren't famous last words, I never know what to expect from this game sometimes :lol:
 
After three years or two with FIA, people would think not to leave out the pits nose to tail. Players crashing on the outlap. Players just circling around instead of returning to the pit. I aborted one lap because, me being second last to leave, the player ahead of me, got hit by someone recovering from an off! I'm coming around to start me lap and there are like five cars just after the finish line.

Oh well, I'm 6/19 on the inside of the main straight. We'll see what happens in 10 laps.

Edit: Check the title of the video. No apology by the player that initiated it and the other one thinks it's okay to barge me off like that. But has the nerve to ask me that question. I asnwered with, "yeah, what happened?"


I used cockpit. So was aware of all the cars around me. I made sure to give room with the others on my left. The knucklehead up the inside, got me. I'm already making the the turn. Homeboy just dusts me off.
 
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05XR8
After three years or two with FIA, people would think not to leave out the pits nose to tail. Players crashing on the outlap. Players just circling around instead of returning to the pit. I aborted one lap because, me being second last to leave, the player ahead of me, got hit by someone recovering from an off! I'm coming around to start me lap and there are like five cars just after the finish line.

Oh well, I'm 6/19 on the inside of the main straight. We'll see what happens in 10 laps.

Edit: Check the title of the video. No apology by the player that initiated it and the other one thinks it's okay to barge me off like that. But has the nerve to ask me that question. I asnwered with, "yeah, what happened?"


I used cockpit. So was aware of all the cars around me. I made sure to give room with the others on my left. The knucklehead up the inside, got me. I'm already making the the turn. Homeboy just dusts me off.
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@D_Dragline and I can confirm that guy is erratic and reckless. Fast at times, but prone to just destroying people through careless driving. Not really much else I could tell you about them. They destroyed me a few races before I threatened to permanently destroy them any time I got near.
 
Redneckchef
@D_Dragline and I can confirm that guy is erratic and reckless. Fast at times, but prone to just destroying people through careless driving. Not really much else I could tell you about them. They destroyed me a few races before I threatened to permanently destroy them any time I got near.
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Yep. He caught up, as I was racing a couple cars ahead. He comes alongside on the run down to the hairpin and bumping me like, "I'm next to you".

I gave him the corner and stayed behind for a few laps. We caught a couple cars and I backed off to see what will happen. I was faster than all three of them. The car I finished just ahead of, was clean. A couple times the fake kungfu player was being erratic, the other player backed off to give me room from being held up.

Anyway, the kungfu guy gets in an entanglement with two players that bashed it around. He gets 3 seconds on the penultimate lap. That's why he's two spots behind me.

Other than that, the race wasn't boring, but that incident made it bogus. Players just need to be patient. It's possible to fight up the front for the whole race. Good cars. However, you all can pass if you want.
 
Slot 1 - Qualified P4 and finished P4 for 255 points
Slot 2 - Qualified P3 with a 1:37.2 without a tow which I was fairly happy with

Then 6 people got disconnected at the end of qualifying, including myself. So 0 points and nearly 2000 DR lost.

Not going to race again tonight with flakey servers, a waste of time.
 
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