FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[MrBrunoA]

If I can find it, I'll update my vid to include it. 👍

In the meantime, have some Top 24 onboards:

Trying to upload, but it stops at around 60%. Maybe it's too large... Will try again later.

 

[rcb929]

Edit: Disregard. I'm an idiot lol

 

[Crazy Taylor]

Broad Bean Raceway??? This was on the FIA Pre-season notice

Yeah that is correct. In black and white, no witchcraft or trick photography. Just be happy its not for 3 weeks yet. Back to 5pm to 9pm again as well.

 

[Venster]

Yeah that is correct. In black and white, no witchcraft or trick photography. Just be happy its not for 3 weeks yet. Back to 5pm to 9pm again as well.

Those times aren’t for the UK, they are 6pm -10pm still. Think the announcements quote UTC time which is 1 hour behind uk

 

[Crazy Taylor]

Those times aren’t for the UK, they are 6pm -10pm still. Think the announcements quote UTC time which is 1 hour behind uk

My bad.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

I'm also a bit disappointed. I really liked the FIA races qualifying format and that you could only do 1 race per night. It increase the pressure massively which makes winning much more satisfying than the daily races.

I hope they add a weekly championship with the same format as the test seasons

On the upside, this shift may draw in some of the fast guys back into the game.

On the downside, that also means no more Top 24 races for me. It was nice while it lasted.

Trying to upload, but it stops at around 60%. Maybe it's too large... Will try again later.

I was testing uploading replays last night. It's handling longer ones now but seems that anything over 20 minutes is too much.

 

[tofuhero]

Only two nights a week, with one of them being Saturday night, is really inconvenient, on top of the fact that here in west coast NA the times are 2-7pm, which is not even possible for many working people, but probably at most they can make one race. It feels like PD just creates these events based on some fantasy land divorced from the reality the rest of us live in.

On another note, I've noticed they've been incorporating Gr.2 into the schedule, but have basically ignored Gr.1 for a while. Do they think Gr.1 is just too unbalanced to use? And if so, why not use their F1 car?

 

[adstomko]

The biggest mistake PD made was the re-introduction of FIA races almost everyday to determine FIA Top 24 Superstars each week. It's almost intoxicating.
They should've stuck with the one championship system rather than changing it frequently.
In my opinion, the system which allowed the highest DR drivers in the Top 24 was the best system because it would allow me just to race every Saturday, as my time is very limited. If there are more than 24 drivers with 75k, do a qualifying session 15mins before the race to determine who should be in the top 24. Then, we don't have to worry about being blocked during quali either.
I've noticed that the younger drivers have been able to play it almost everyday for hours on end which is pretty unfair to those who are busy and are relatively new to GT.

2 races per week and a Top 24 at the end of the month would've been another good solution. Why they didn't do this in the first place is beyond me.

 

[Crazy Taylor]

The biggest mistake PD made was the re-introduction of FIA races almost everyday to determine FIA Top 24 Superstars each week. It's almost intoxicating.
They should've stuck with the one championship system rather than changing it frequently.
In my opinion, the system which allowed the highest DR drivers in the Top 24 was the best system because it would allow me just to race every Saturday, as my time is very limited. If there are more than 24 drivers with 75k, do a qualifying session 15mins before the race to determine who should be in the top 24. Then, we don't have to worry about being blocked during quali either.
I've noticed that the younger drivers have been able to play it almost everyday for hours on end which is pretty unfair to those who are busy and are relatively new to GT.

2 races per week and a Top 24 at the end of the month would've been another good solution. Why they didn't do this in the first place is beyond me.

Of course they favor and reward players who are more dedicated (or have more time to play). They will always be on the lookout for the next big thing to transcend into real life racing. If you don't have lots of time to play like other do, then you just have to live with it. Enjoy it for what it is.

 

[adstomko]

Of course they favor and reward players who are more dedicated (or have more time to play). They will always be on the lookout for the next big thing to transcend into real life racing. If you don't have lots of time to play like other do, then you just have to live with it. Enjoy it for what it is.

You can still be dedicated by racing twice a week.
GT is still pretty far off from closing the gap on real life racing. It's not a simulator, yet

 

[Alpha Cipher]

In my opinion, the system which allowed the highest DR drivers in the Top 24 was the best system because it would allow me just to race every Saturday, as my time is very limited. If there are more than 24 drivers with 75k, do a qualifying session 15mins before the race to determine who should be in the top 24. Then, we don't have to worry about being blocked during quali either.
I've noticed that the younger drivers have been able to play it almost everyday for hours on end which is pretty unfair to those who are busy and are relatively new to GT.

And what makes you think you deserve to be in the Top 24 purely because of DR and not points gained per season? I mean, if your DR's high enough to get matched into the Top 24 by itself, then you can do it with points.

I get it with your time constraints, but it's going to be unfair for people who actually put effort in these FIA races. It's going to be unfair to some people either way, so might as well go for the system that makes more sense

My bet is that they'll reintroduce the Top 24 alongside the 2 races per week schedule, but just not now because it's pre-season and they probably don't want to skew the results with a race that can garner you essentially what amounts to a whole season's worth of points.

 

[ASH32]

And what makes you think you deserve to be in the Top 24 purely because of DR and not points gained per season? I mean, if your DR's high enough to get matched into the Top 24 by itself, then you can do it with points.

I get it with your time constraints, but it's going to be unfair for people who actually put effort in these FIA races. It's going to be unfair to some people either way, so might as well go for the system that makes more sense

My bet is that they'll reintroduce the Top 24 alongside the 2 races per week schedule, but just not now because it's pre-season and they probably don't want to skew the results with a race that can garner you essentially what amounts to a whole season's worth of points.

Even as someone who has never raced these races I'd say it's the per country limit of 2 that's a massive problem for UK drivers and some other countries with a ton of fast drivers, this limit weakens the top 24 nations race massively. When I look at the fields originally I know if I was in it I'd be way at the back (there's a good chance I wouldn't even get in), but going on the recent races I've seen videos of, if I represented another country with very few top quality drivers I could be battling in the top half and easily beat half the field in the top 24 nations race under the new format. This seems at odds with a superstar race to me.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Even as someone who has never raced these races I'd say it's the per country limit of 2 that's a massive problem for UK drivers and some other countries with a ton of fast drivers, this limit weakens the top 24 nations race massively. When I look at the fields originally I know if I was in it I'd be way at the back (there's a good chance I wouldn't even get in), but going on the recent races I've seen videos of, if I represented another country with very few top quality drivers I could be battling in the top half and easily beat half the field in the top 24 nations race under the new format. This seems at odds with a superstar race to me.

I can agree that the 2 drivers per country shenanigans at your region is unreasonable. I don't really see why it's a consideration? I mean, if someone's really good in that country, then they should be in the Top 24 already in the first place. EU had a vast amount of active countries compared to the US and Asia, but I don't think that's a reason to have this 2 driver per country stuff happening

The ideal matchmaking for me is purely about the points. That's it. Maybe 2 drivers per manufacturer, but I don't know I get the same vibes there as the 2 drivers per country, except that they have the ability to choose which manufacturer to use before the season

 

[adstomko]

And what makes you think you deserve to be in the Top 24 purely because of DR and not points gained per season? I mean, if your DR's high enough to get matched into the Top 24 by itself, then you can do it with points.

I get it with your time constraints, but it's going to be unfair for people who actually put effort in these FIA races. It's going to be unfair to some people either way, so might as well go for the system that makes more sense

My bet is that they'll reintroduce the Top 24 alongside the 2 races per week schedule, but just not now because it's pre-season and they probably don't want to skew the results with a race that can garner you essentially what amounts to a whole season's worth of points.

If the new system is 2 races per week with Top 24 Superstars at the end of the month, that's perfect. And they should've done this from the word go to give people an idea what it was going to be like. But because they pretty much started with the daily FIA races, it allows those with so much free time to gain DR, even when it has dropped significantly at some stage, and to practise.

And you may not necessarily win an FIA round even with 75k DR because it could be a totally new track configuration, car, fuel rate etc, which normally is the case.
Also, some of the Nations rounds are really poorly selected IMO, and as for the Manufacturers Cup, we have no idea how the car will do during the race because PD don't tell us the exact details of changes to fuel consumption, therefore DRs can plunge with the wrong selection of car. They even change BoPs and fuel rates midway through a test season which is very strange.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

If the new system is 2 races per week with Top 24 Superstars at the end of the month, that's perfect. And they should've done this from the word go to give people an idea what it was going to be like. But because they pretty much started with the daily FIA races, it allows those with so much free time to gain DR, even when it has dropped significantly at some stage, and to practise.

And you may not necessarily win an FIA round even with 75k DR because it could be a totally new track configuration, car, fuel rate etc, which normally is the case.
Also, some of the Nations rounds are really poorly selected IMO, and as for the Manufacturers Cup, we have no idea how the car will do during the race because PD don't tell us the exact details of changes to fuel consumption, therefore DRs can plunge with the wrong selection of car.

Isn't it going to be the same case for the new schedule though? People with more free time may not be able to gain as much DR as they did back then, but they can put in practice days in advance, if that's what worries you. Although, if you can get a grip of the new settings every race, you're pretty much set to win really with your skills

Nations is a hit-and-miss for me as well, and I do understand the dilemma of selecting a manufacturer for the manu cup, but the latter can be usually solved by picking a safe choice (fuel efficient cars that are at least slightly above average)

 

[mthomas_95]

The biggest mistake PD made was the re-introduction of FIA races almost everyday to determine FIA Top 24
each week. It's almost intoxicating.
They should've stuck with the one championship system rather than changing it frequently.
In my opinion, the system which allowed the highest DR drivers in the Top 24 was the best system because it would allow me just to race every Saturday, as my time is very limited. If there are more than 24 drivers with 75k, do a qualifying session 15mins before the race to determine who should be in the top 24. Then, we don't have to worry about being blocked during quali either.
I've noticed that the younger drivers have been able to play it almost everyday for hours on end which is pretty unfair to those who are busy and are relatively new to GT.

2 races per week and a Top 24 at the end of the month would've been another good solution. Why they didn't do this in the first place is beyond me.

There's been near-daily FIA races since the start of November. The championship system only changed with the introduction of the Superstars race back around Season 7, the one-off 10 race season over Xmas/New Year, and the 2 per country/manufacturer limit introduced in Season 21. I saw much more complaints about the format getting stale, not that it changed too often. DR only Superstars race made 5 out of 6 races completely irrelevant, not exactly a great championship format.

If you're good enough to be at 75k it honestly doesn't take that much time to build DR to that level and maintain it. If you started a fresh account tomorrow, it would take less than 75 races (you'd gain on average at least 1000 DR a race).

You can't stop people playing all day either, and to be honest practice time isn't a great indicator of performance. There are guys who can enter a Top 24 race with 5-10 mins practice and still be very competitive

 

[mclarenLB]

We don't even know the format of the season yet, so lets calm it down

and Secondly, the Pre-season is gonna be great, because there's no superstars, each and everyone of these 8 chances you have to put points on the board matters.. and not only that, the less frequent races will basically ensure most time-slots have an insane strength of field, so almost every race will feel like an old school superstars race, I'm a big fan of this.

 

[ivann]

the system which allowed the highest DR drivers in the Top 24 was the best system because it would allow me just to race every Saturday

Best for you does not mean the best.
Since its FiA Nations cup, there should be best drivers from every nation so the system is better.
When they introduce FiA Top drivers cup, only then should 75k drivers participate exclusevily.

 

[Crazy Taylor]

There isn't any stipulations in this one it seems. No limit on manu or nations.

 

[mclarenLB]

There isn't any stipulations in this one it seems. No limit on manu or nations.

Well yeah, there's no Top 24 haha

 

[adstomko]

Best for you does not mean the best.
Since its FiA Nations cup, there should be best drivers from every nation so the system is better.
When they introduce FiA Top drivers cup, only then should 75k drivers participate exclusevily.

But they haven't released a 'top drivers cup.'
Therefore 2 per nation is far too strict. It should work like the Champions League.
The qualifying rounds should accept any nation (so it is essentially the nations cup up until that point), then for the final, the strength of the field should be the main factor.
It's like saying the Champions League can't allow Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea in the quarter finals because there are too many teams from the same nation. Your nationality shouldn't restrict you from your pace at that level.
Plus, the Top 24 races are more enjoyable because drivers tend to race very fairly.

There's been near-daily FIA races since the start of November. The championship system only changed with the introduction of the Superstars race back around Season 7, the one-off 10 race season over Xmas/New Year, and the 2 per country/manufacturer limit introduced in Season 21. I saw much more complaints about the format getting stale, not that it changed too often. DR only Superstars race made 5 out of 6 races completely irrelevant, not exactly a great championship format.

If you're good enough to be at 75k it honestly doesn't take that much time to build DR to that level and maintain it. If you started a fresh account tomorrow, it would take less than 75 races (you'd gain on average at least 1000 DR a race).

You can't stop people playing all day either, and to be honest practice time isn't a great indicator of performance. There are guys who can enter a Top 24 race with 5-10 mins practice and still be very competitive

It probably wouldn't have become so stale if they didn't have races 6 times and a Top 24 race per week. You can practice with 5-10mins now because the majority of the leaders have been playing for long enough to practise each circuit and car, as there were FIA events almost every day.

Theoretically, yes you could do it in 75 races, but the penalty system, bad luck, glitches etc would definitely set you back.
A lot of the 75k-ers have either played GT for years or hammered the game since Christmas, doing 95% of the FIA events. So id they have a bad round, they can just regain their DR in the next slot

We don't even know the format of the season yet, so lets calm it down

and Secondly, the Pre-season is gonna be great, because there's no superstars, each and everyone of these 8 chances you have to put points on the board matters.. and not only that, the less frequent races will basically ensure most time-slots have an insane strength of field, so almost every race will feel like an old school superstars race, I'm a big fan of this.

And like I mentioned earlier, this is how it should've been since they released the game. Less idiots on track, more talent, and a more realistic DR score

 

[Venster]

I don’t believe either that it’s just playing loads to get into these races. If it was that easy there would be many many more at 75kdr and not really that many A+ drivers.

Plenty of people have done 1000+ races and not at A.

Think it’s fair enough the criteria they’ve chosen for these top stars races. Yes it’s unfair if your faster than someone else from another country but where do they stop. UK is a prime example, at least the top 10 maybe the top 20 deserve a spot because all very quick drivers but it’s a championship and you have to preform through the races, plus you only need to do four of them. If your quick enough then you should get in.

Plus everyone is in the same boat in regards to picking a manufacturer, just pick your favourite a go with it.

 

[mclarenLB]

But they haven't released a 'top drivers cup.'
Therefore 2 per nation is far too strict. It should work like the Champions League.
The qualifying rounds should accept any nation (so it is essentially the nations cup up until that point), then for the final, the strength of the field should be the main factor.
It's like saying the Champions League can't allow Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea in the quarter finals because there are too many teams from the same nation. Your nationality shouldn't restrict you from your pace at that level.
Plus, the Top 24 races are more enjoyable because drivers tend to race very fairly.



It probably wouldn't have become so stale if they didn't have races 6 times and a Top 24 race per week. You can practice with 5-10mins now because the majority of the leaders have been playing for long enough to practise each circuit and car, as there were FIA events almost every day.

Theoretically, yes you could do it in 75 races, but the penalty system, bad luck, glitches etc would definitely set you back.
A lot of the 75k-ers have either played GT for years or hammered the game since Christmas, doing 95% of the FIA events. So id they have a bad round, they can just regain their DR in the next slot



And like I mentioned earlier, this is how it should've been since they released the game. Less idiots on track, more talent, and a more realistic DR score

If you can't get into the Top 2 of your country... chances are you aren't winning a 'Top Drivers Cup' either

Its a total non-issue.

 

[adstomko]

I don’t believe either that it’s just playing loads to get into these races. If it was that easy there would be many many more at 75kdr and not really that many A+ drivers.

Yes it’s unfair if your faster than someone else from another country but where do they stop.

They can easily stop after the qualifying races before the Top 24.
Maybe because I've lived in various countries throughout my life that I see my nationality of less importance than others do.

If you can't get into the Top 2 of your country... chances are you aren't winning a 'Top Drivers Cup' either

Its a total non-issue.

Er, it is an issue.
You could still be the 3rd fastest in Europe. The Top 24 circuit choice could suit you better than the circuits offered in the championship. And it's definitely an issue if a driver is still faster than 75% of the Top 24.
Also, the top 2 in a nation could have a bad race. The list goes on

 

[Venster]

I can see your issue but we all or at least most have time constraints. If I was as fast as you I would want to be in it as well, but if you only entered the top 24 race then chances are your not going to win it anyway even if you came first as chances are others would of done other races and have more points, it’s supposed to be a championship.

Not sure anyone should be guaranteed a spot purely on DR, else what’s the point in anyone competing or having a championship. Appreciate if you haven’t got time or get a disconnect it’s frustrating but not much anyone can do.

And as for circuits favouring others, it’s not like they picked them. This pre-season it’s not my favourite selection either but that’s just luck I guess?

 

[adstomko]

I can see your issue but we all or at least most have time constraints. If I was as fast as you I would want to be in it as well, but if you only entered the top 24 race then chances are your not going to win it anyway even if you came first as chances are others would of done other races and have more points, it’s supposed to be a championship.

Not sure anyone should be guaranteed a spot purely on DR, else what’s the point in anyone competing or having a championship. Appreciate if you haven’t got time or get a disconnect it’s frustrating but not much anyone can do.

And as for circuits favouring others, it’s not like they picked them. This pre-season it’s not my favourite selection either but that’s just luck I guess?

It made sense to have a Top 24 race solely based on DR when test seasons were weekly because not everyone can race (like myself most of the time) during the week.

However, 2 races per week and a top 24 race at the end of the month, with DR not being relevant and not all qualifying races counting, is perfectly fine. They should never have made FIAs daily

 

[mclarenLB]

They should never have made FIAs daily

They technically never did, those were test seasons which all essentially rewarded nothing, they didn't even use test season results to pick people for the world tour.

 

[Venster]

It made sense to have a Top 24 race solely based on DR when test seasons were weekly because not everyone can race (like myself most of the time) during the week.

However, 2 races per week and a top 24 race at the end of the month, with DR not being relevant and not all qualifying races counting, is perfectly fine. They should never have made FIAs daily

Suits me better too! Now if they just split the days the nations and manufacturers are on it would be perfect!

Not that entering the nations would make much difference for me, mmmm am I going to get in top 2 errr no. Think I will stick to my very slim tiny not really a chance manufacturers races!

 

[adstomko]

They technically never did, those were test seasons which all essentially rewarded nothing, they didn't even use test season results to pick people for the world tour.

They basically did use the test seasons because that is the most likely way the selected achieved and maintained the highest DR.

 

[mclarenLB]

They basically did use the test seasons because that is the most likely way the selected achieved and maintained the highest DR.

It was a way of doing it sure, but no more than spamming Daily Race C (or Daily Race B on a good day)