FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[bloodyboyblue]

As far as I know, when defending the driver is not allowed to change his line twice. Notice that he went from the left, to blocking the right passage and after I moved to the left he followed the same move and totally blocked that gap.

Yes but you still could’ve dived late to the outside, which you did. The point we’re all making is that you cut back from the outside to the inside in retaliation unnecessarily which is what cost you both. If you stayed to the outside in the corner it would’ve been fine.

 

[BrunoSport]

He should have defended earlier, but what you did in retaliation was far worse

What do you mean by retaliation? My move after losing control was just to try to control my car and not go straight to the wall. In a real race I’d be trying to save my life. Jesus...

 

[HellzFire]

I'm gonna share this video ive just watched:



how is this person allowed to race????

 

[vvise]

I'm gonna share this video ive just watched:



how is this person allowed to race????

the most annoying part is that drivers like this are legitimately fast so they're able to make spots back up and continue the torment.

 

[praiano63]

Americans and Brazilians HATE each other and often race each other like dicks

This statement is totally untrue. You will find cool or enraged drivers everywhere , in any country. It depend of the day you've spent at work , or the problems you could have home..... everybody all over the world have his bad moment including me and you.
Yesterday somebody with your same canadian flag made a questionable defense on me .
I'm sure this guy is not full of hate or anything like this , this was a moment only , we had a very nice battle during all the race long.
A huge majority of Brasilian love USA or Canada. Personally i know quebec and i love the region and people there. Even if they were refering to me sometime as ''Ce maudit français''.
Don't seed the hate , it will always give a bitter harvest.
Peace.

 

[vvise]

From Nations race yesterday:



After the race, instead of “sorry”, he tells me he only “****ing blocked me” and that “I had to be a ****ing brazilian”. Seems like he owns the inside line no matter what. Imo, 100% his fault but would like to hear opinions.

Honestly I don't really even think this was blocking. He technically only moved from the racing line to the left. I wouldn't consider that first move "to the right" it was just the racing line. Also i think he realized his mistake so his move to the left was deliberately very slow. I've raced that guy before and he's always been clean and fast.

This statement is totally untrue. You will find cool or enraged drivers everywhere , in any country. It depend of the day you've spent at work , or the problems you could have home..... everybody all over the world have his bad moment including me and you.
Yesterday somebody with your same canadian flag made a questionable defense on me .
I'm sure this guy is not full of hate or anything like this , this was a moment only , we had a very nice battle during all the race long.
A huge majority of Brasilian love USA or Canada. Personally i know quebec and i love the region and people there. Even if they refering to me sometime as ''Ce maudit français''.
Don't seed the hate , it will always give a bitter harvest.
Peace.

I've had an issue with Rory before as well he's a bit too aggressive imo. This is a bit of a strange situation though, I'm not sure he's blocking intentionally, I think just bad defending?

 

[Famine]

When you have a fraction of a second to decide it’s about following your instinct and even common sense (this was supposed to be a race of skilled and clean drivers after all).

Which in this case would be "brake in a straight line to the outside", because the guy in the Porsche is quite clearly aggressively defending the inside and you had to go to the outside anyway.

It was a really odd move for you to make, and disadvantaged you more than the rude driver did with his block.

As far as I know, when defending the driver is not allowed to change his line twice.

Define "not allowed". Sure it's a really, really rude thing to do, but GT Sport doesn't punish anyone for it - so in fact it's entirely allowed.

As I mentioned in the penalty thread, the notion that this, that and the other are racing rules set in stone needs to be abandoned. They work if everyone has agreed to them in advance and you're playing private lobbies, but in public people will behave according to whatever their own preconceived notions of racing are - and they may not be what yours are.

People are going to change lines several times on a straight, stick their nose up your inside when they have no business to do so and shut the door on you whether you're fully alongside or not. They're also going to punt you, crowd you off the track and sideswipe you to stop you passing as you reach the finish line. The game allows all of these things and only sometimes punishes them - there's no stewards issuing grid penalties and fines.

If you think someone has been excessively unfair, use the Report feature. But remember, unless they've been hit with penalties for it, how fair they have been is just a case of your opinion against theirs (or whoever deals with the report).

 

[mthomas_95]

how is this person allowed to race????

Sadly PD/Sony don't seem to care about duplicate accounts or much at all. That and the lack of information about the Round 4 Manufacturers T24 being cancelled in EMEA/America and it's not being well run at all on their end.

Test Seasons starting all the way back in November and only in the last fortnight have they actually got people to commentate on a T24 race, and that recording still isn't released. Other racing esports championships broadcast every race live to establish a narrative and get people familiar and invested in those taking part. It's a lack of effort and there's nothing stopping PD/Sony or even the FIA to do some actual marketing, even Dirt 4 which about 6 people play promoted their little series much better

 

[Love2Wheels]

Had my best result so far in Nations. Coasting across the finish line with no fuel was stressful!

 

[Cuber Tom]

I'm gonna share this video ive just watched:



how is this person allowed to race????

I believe @Matty28 did report him after the race, but got a response saying they "couldn't identify a code of conduct breach"

 

[Tidgney]

I'm gonna share this video ive just watched:



how is this person allowed to race????

the most annoying part is that drivers like this are legitimately fast so they're able to make spots back up and continue the torment.

Makes me wonder how on purpose the thing at Tokyo was with me , I'm not in Oscaro though so I dunno? 1 thing is for sure with somebody like this they need some form of reporting system with video evidence that can put the ban hammer on these people. Imagine if he did that during an official cast or livestream... it would be an utter joke. Then he can make a new account and do it all again.

 

[DriftMethod]

Define "not allowed". Sure it's a really, really rude thing to do, but GT Sport doesn't punish anyone for it - so in fact it's entirely allowed.

As I mentioned in the penalty thread, the notion that this, that and the other are racing rules set in stone needs to be abandoned. They work if everyone has agreed to them in advance and you're playing private lobbies, but in public people will behave according to whatever their own preconceived notions of racing are - and they may not be what yours are.

People are going to change lines several times on a straight, stick their nose up your inside when they have no business to do so and shut the door on you whether you're fully alongside or not. They're also going to punt you, crowd you off the track and sideswipe you to stop you passing as you reach the finish line. The game allows all of these things and only sometimes punishes them - there's no stewards issuing grid penalties and fines.

If you think someone has been excessively unfair, use the Report feature. But remember, unless they've been hit with penalties for it, how fair they have been is just a case of your opinion against theirs (or whoever deals with the report).

From GT Sport Driving Etiquette videos, "First of all, weaving back and forth to block the path of other cars is prohibited."

So there is a stated rule in regards to blocking. It is a bit vague and not enforced, so I agree the term "not allowed" needs to be defined. Technically, only racking up too much time penalties will kick someone out of a race, so right up until that occurs everything else is "allowed."

 

[BrunoSport]

Honestly I don't really even think this was blocking. He technically only moved from the racing line to the left. I wouldn't consider that first move "to the right" it was just the racing line. Also i think he realized his mistake so his move to the left was deliberately very slow. I've raced that guy before and he's always been clean and fast.

Well, he said himself that he “****in blocked” me. His words. The fact that he acted like a complete idiot with his wording after the race, even using the “****ing brazilian” term, doesn’t leave the impression that he tried to play fair and practice sportsmanship. This kind of race situation happens in a fraction of a second and we tend to react on instinct rather than rationality, right? So, I’d personally never go so defensive that late because it’s not my style. If I’m slower (it’s not like that track has too much slipstream and you have to be constantly defending), I’d let him pass and chase him afterwards. He acted too aggressively not only during the race but also through his personality.

 

[Famine]

From GT Sport Driving Etiquette videos

Yep - there's a lot of stuff in there that's worth listening to (particularly the bit about looking out for other drivers who are driving erratically and staying out of their way), but ultimately it's allowed unless it's penalised.

 

[BrunoSport]

Which in this case would be "brake in a straight line to the outside", because the guy in the Porsche is quite clearly aggressively defending the inside and you had to go to the outside anyway.

It was a really odd move for you to make, and disadvantaged you more than the rude driver did with his block.

Define "not allowed". Sure it's a really, really rude thing to do, but GT Sport doesn't punish anyone for it - so in fact it's entirely allowed.

As I mentioned in the penalty thread, the notion that this, that and the other are racing rules set in stone needs to be abandoned. They work if everyone has agreed to them in advance and you're playing private lobbies, but in public people will behave according to whatever their own preconceived notions of racing are - and they may not be what yours are.

People are going to change lines several times on a straight, stick their nose up your inside when they have no business to do so and shut the door on you whether you're fully alongside or not. They're also going to punt you, crowd you off the track and sideswipe you to stop you passing as you reach the finish line. The game allows all of these things and only sometimes punishes them - there's no stewards issuing grid penalties and fines.

If you think someone has been excessively unfair, use the Report feature. But remember, unless they've been hit with penalties for it, how fair they have been is just a case of your opinion against theirs (or whoever deals with the report).

Fair enough. I think that, beyond the racing etiquette enforced by PD with penalties and sportsmanship videos, more experienced drivers themselves tend to have their ethic. This happened in a high ranked lobby. I didn’t expect that kind of aggressive defending in the context of FIA race with good A+ players and it’s one reason why I followed the instinct of keeping my line and trying the pass. Throwing my car into the grass later was just the quickest way to slow down and at that time the accident was already inevitable.

 

[Krypton78]

I'm gonna share this video ive just watched:



how is this person allowed to race????

I thought I saw everything in sport mode, but this? How disgusting and rotten character must somebody have!

And why doesn't it surprise me in some way that somebody with such PSN ID is that rotten souled.

Please share this


Edit: There can't be that much french drivers with that pace, maybe the french guys know "who" he really is/ what his main account is

 

[bloodyboyblue]

Makes me wonder how on purpose the thing at Tokyo was with me , I'm not in Oscaro though so I dunno? 1 thing is for sure with somebody like this they need some form of reporting system with video evidence that can put the ban hammer on these people. Imagine if he did that during an official cast or livestream... it would be an utter joke. Then he can make a new account and do it all again.

Someone like him involved would be the only way you’d get me to watch one of the live events. Especially if all of the players were physically in the same room together...

 

[Cabelmania]

I'm gonna share this video ive just watched:



how is this person allowed to race????

I'm not going to say the name of the guy mentioned in the video (because of the name and shame rule), but it's the exact guy who ruined my race at Blue Moon in the Man. series It was super aggressive and finished to take me out at turn one 4 laps in Thank God I am not the only one annoyed by that driver

 

[Krypton78]

I'm not going to say the name of the guy mentioned in the video (because of the name and shame rule)

If you mean his PSN main account name, oh man, this subject deserves way more worse things than his name is mentioned in a forum. The name and shame rule doesn't apply if there is a video evidence and that game-criminal behaviour.

So I wouldn't hesitate, but only if I was 100% sure of course

 

[Famine]

The name and shame rule doesn't apply if...

It always applies. Don't type out people's PSN IDs on this site in connection with poor driving standards. Ever.

 

[Krypton78]

It always applies. Don't type out people's PSN IDs on this site in connection with poor driving standards. Ever.

If there is a difference between typing it litteraly here and posting a video where its shown, thats a different thing (because his assumed sub account is already shown there). Because of google I guess.

I'm not a native english speaker, but what that subject has done doesn't fall for me under "poor driving standards". He rames intentionally people off who are candidates for the final live event. Thats beyond beeing unfair or cheating.

But anyway, at least the video should be shared as much as possible

 

[Matty28]

If you mean his PSN main account name, oh man, this subject deserves way more worse things than his name is mentioned in a forum. The name and shame rule doesn't apply if there is a video evidence and that game-criminal behaviour.

So I wouldn't hesitate, but only if I was 100% sure of course

No one can be 100% sure but you can find the account in question in Mitsubishi > France > Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes and there is only one guy that fast in that area and you can find him in Nissan > France > Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes. It could of course be an fake area, but the account was made months ago I assume just to get that political figure onto T10 leaderboards so there wasn't really any reason to put an fake area.

 

[Hossnight1]

I'm gonna share this video ive just watched:



how is this person allowed to race????

I saw that Marine still don't accept her defeat on the last presidential poll in France and shoot every french guys she meet for this
But more seriously that's a shame , i saw this race on Stefounzy's channel , Marine clearly targets Oscaro drivers

 

[SMinded31]

Had my best result so far in Nations. Coasting across the finish line

Great race! Was fun to watch.
That was a pretty fast group you were in.

 

[Love2Wheels]

Great race! Was fun to watch.
That was a pretty fast group you were in.

Thank you. Best race against this group so far. I usually hope for a top 10.

 

[DriftMethod]

No one can be 100% sure but you can find the account in question in Mitsubishi > France > Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes and there is only one guy that fast in that area and you can find him in Nissan > France > Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes. It could of course be an fake area, but the account was made months ago I assume just to get that political figure onto T10 leaderboards so there wasn't really any reason to put an fake area.

There's no reason to believe they are really in that area. This does appear to be an alternate account based on there being only 39 "Distinct Days Game Access" and the sporadic dates on the leaderboard. If I were to create an alternate account with mischief in mind, I would not use my real location.

Based on their speed, how many people could this be? If people were so inclined, they could comb through replays and create a list of all the opponents in races with said driver. Then, by elimination, create a list of drivers with this kind of speed that haven't raced against said driver and end up with a "possible offender list."

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

I'm gonna share this video ive just watched:



how is this person allowed to race????

Welcome to the ugly side of competition. Something I've learned over the years is that there will always be people that are willing to forego rules, ethics, etiquette and whatnot to give themselves an advantage. It's made worse that we have a computer system making the calls on track and the reporting function doesn't seem to be producing actual results.

In between the BOP tire/fuel imbalances, the wonky race setups that exarberates those imbalances, the Megane Trophy, the various technical issues including the lost Top 24 race and now these dirty tactics left unchecked, this has not been the best of starts for the regular FIA season.

 

[sundaydriving]

There's no reason to believe they are really in that area. This does appear to be an alternate account based on there being only 39 "Distinct Days Game Access" and the sporadic dates on the leaderboard. If I were to create an alternate account with mischief in mind, I would not use my real location.

Based on their speed, how many people could this be? If people were so inclined, they could comb through replays and create a list of all the opponents in races with said driver. Then, by elimination, create a list of drivers with this kind of speed that haven't raced against said driver and end up with a "possible offender list."

Maybe a few hundred. That number could be reduced a bit through a process of elimination.....

BUT

I don't like the idea of going on some kind of witch hunt. I think they've already embarassed themselves regardless of what they choose to call themselves online.

 

[Hasnain282]

Only had the chance for one race last night so did manufacturers as gr.4 has served me well in this cup this season. Qualified P4, was a decent lap optimal was only a couple of tenths quicker at most. After a load of jostling was still P4 after lap 1. After that nothing much happened other than an undercut on P3 who had poor tyre wear and a 0.4s time penalty for track extending at T4 on the last lap. Didn't affect anything though and I came home P3, got some decent points by my standards, so I'll take it even though the race wasn't the most exciting.

 

[Krypton78]

I'm gonna share this video ive just watched:



how is this person allowed to race????

Now I also "know" who it is. It matches so percectly with other storys what I heard about him in the past.

If I were to create an alternate account with mischief in mind, I would not use my real location.

When he created that sub- account a few month ago, I'm pretty sure he couldn't imagine that there will be that detailed categorizing function on the GTS website. If I'm not wrong, that function is not that old. With his ability to drive top 1 Leadorboard times, he gave himself away.

What a shame that so much skill came to such a character. There are so many fair but low DR- drivers who desparately try to improve, but would never cheat on someone else for it.