FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[Winnie847]

I was actually hoping that PD was going to put track limits at Dragon Trail's bus stop so that it's not a lottery every time through there.

Of course not! But there are just about everywhere else. Cut the first part of the first corner, penalty. Cut even a tiny bit of the kink to avoid understeering off? Penalty. Try to use some of the curbs at the S? Penalty. Go in too deep on the slow right at the end of the downhill straight? Penalty. It sounds bad although it's more of a nuisance for those stuck with an understeering car that needs every inch of tarmac *cough* Jaguar *cough*. Otherwise, it's workable compared to Kyoto.

The kart at Tsukuba is... somewhat drivable. I wish I could change the degree of rotation but I think I can actually do this race. Going to need practice racing with others, though. It takes every bit of concentration just to keep my inputs steady. Quite rewarding when it comes together, though.

Oh, and watch out for the bump entering the last corner. You either have to hit it the right way or downshift to 5th and lose time.

Good to know. Not only am I stuck with the Gr.4 Lancer for that race, but I’ll also have to be weary of the eggshells I’m driving on. Oh well, I guess if I must drive AWD at Seaside, the Lancer is one of the fastest.

 

[PirovacBoy]

I was doing some FIA practice Runs today on Dragon including @melmen1187 the Top10 Dude in his Hurachan. We were able to do the 13 laps in slightly under 24 Minutes, best was 23:57. me finishing behind him by just 0.5 Seconds. Although his Hurachan is definitely faster than my 458, by at least half a second per lap. His best was a 46,1 mine was a 46,7.
Question is, what are your times around that track? I guess we pretty much were driving on the edge of our abilities.

 

[Winnie847]

Well, I know it’s the final season for FIA, but I’m finally going to have the time, and maybe the skill(?) to achieve an S-rank.

I’m currently 4th for Mitsubishi and 86th in the Americas region. Sure, only after 2 rounds, but I think I stand a pretty good chance of staying in the top 200, and maybe, just maybe stay in the top 10 for Manufacturers.

I think I could have reached S before if I didn’t take a couple trips across the country during the middle of the last two seasons. Also, I have this bad habit of losing SR right before FIA races which lands me in lower lobbies where I have a good chance at winning, but still get less than 1000 points.....see round 1, ahem! Anyway, I bounced back for round 2 and finished 4th in a much stronger lobby. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to compete with the guys at the top, but it’s an honor just to share a track with the people I’m being matched against these days.

Here’s to old guys with no experience doing well at this game 👍

 

[RaceFace85]

Drifting into the corners can be fast with the kart.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Drifting into the corners can be fast with the kart.

 

[Windfire1010]

Drifting into the corners can be fast with the kart.

Fast but horrifying.

 

[bloodyboyblue]

The official Canadian national anthem of go-karting

Also karting seems even harder with the new tire model. Not that I’ve done it in like 4 months though...

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

This is the most likely outcome of my attempt to do karting with other people... or what the Jag does at the bus stop every other lap I've run.

 

[Wardez]

Drifting into the corners can be fast with the kart.

Yeah, seems good for a hotlap, but not for the race. I'm gonna stick to traditional smoothness haha.

Don't know how I didn't notice this before, but why is the ABS icon showing yellow?

@OutlawQuadrnt

We're gonna be flying into the void as a swarm of pain! Slipstream on weak is cruise control for death.

 

[xxxman1]

Yeah, seems good for a hotlap, but not for the race. I'm gonna stick to traditional smoothness haha.

Don't know how I didn't notice this before, but why is the ABS icon showing yellow?

@OutlawQuadrnt

We're gonna be flying into the void as a swarm of pain! Slipstream on weak is cruise control for death.

Set ABS to "Weak" and the icon will be yellow

 

[Wardez]

Yeah @xxxman1 I tried that and it didn't show up as yellow. Maybe only on replays.

 

[xxxman1]

Yeah @xxxman1 I tried that and it didn't show up as yellow. Maybe only on replays.

O i am sorry i mixed it up. Should be ABS off.

 

[RaceFace85]

O i am sorry i mixed it up. Should be ABS off.

Right, yellow is ABS off.

 

[praiano63]

For the Go-Karts on Tsukuba , do the Thrustmadter users choose a higher 1080 degrees rotation of their wheel ??
The single 900 degrees option of the G29 is still very difficult to manage, you have to steer with a very high precision to not spin. PD have to correct this problem in the future , i'm not a specialist but even if a go-kart must have a very direct feel , the way it's setted in the game actually seems a bit exagerated to me.
In the GTS early races , they were allowing contersteer assistance and it was helping a few but now it's not possible to set it on .

 

[Lost Sheltie]

Try the karts with the pad, seems a lot easier compared to a wheel in the brief try I did last night.
Race will still be a complete ******** though

 

[RaceFace85]

For the Go-Karts on Tsukuba , do the Thrustmadter users choose a higher 1080 degrees rotation of their wheel ??
The single 900 degrees option of the G29 is still very difficult to manage, you have to steer with a very high precision to not spin. PD have to correct this problem in the future , i'm not a specialist but even if a go-kart must have a very direct feel , the way it's setted in the game actually seems a bit exagerated to me.
In the GTS early races , they were allowing contersteer assistance and it was helping a few but now it's not possible to set it on .

I tried 1080 degrees on the T300 RS but it feels strange because the deadzone will rise too.

 

[Silver_Wolf]

Well I a bit behind with posts but here is my report from Round 2 on Saturday.

Nations Cup first!

Car for this race Renault Megane Trophy 11, rank at time of race DR: C, SR: C

Given my qualifying has been lack luster of late I decided to not post a time so started at the back of the grid however this
race that proved a problem!

On 3...2...1...Go! Auto Drive failed to start the race for all cars from 15th place backwards and so we all lost at least 5-8 seconds off the leaders
before our races started.

As the race progressed I managed to pick up some positions and finished 12th place with a 1 second penalty left over at the end of the race.

Not a good result but not bad given the starting circumstances.

Manufacturers Cup

Car for this race Nissmo GT-R (Grp3), rank at time of race DR: C, SR: C

Now this was more my cup of tea, first experience on the circuit and the B variant of the track looks like it will be my favourite.

Didn't qualify with a time again and started at the back of the grid and incurred a false start flag at the start as wasn't expecting
that since first experience but it was only a few seconds which I took during the starting straight.

Race rolled on and by the end of Lap 10 I finished in 7th place as the top 6 were all higher ranked drivers and not making any
mistakes.

So all in all this was a very good result and improved my best position in a race in manufacturers series so although I've less points
than the maximum I could have had it's all good for the long run points gain.

Nobody got the message about penalties with my special livery car though as they were all over the shop for most of the race.

This week should be a better effort from myself and looking forward to the kart's race and Dragon Tail Seaside.

 

[sundaydriving]

For the Go-Karts on Tsukuba , do the Thrustmadter users choose a higher 1080 degrees rotation of their wheel ??
The single 900 degrees option of the G29 is still very difficult to manage, you have to steer with a very high precision to not spin. PD have to correct this problem in the future , i'm not a specialist but even if a go-kart must have a very direct feel , the way it's setted in the game actually seems a bit exagerated to me.
In the GTS early races , they were allowing contersteer assistance and it was helping a few but now it's not possible to set it on .

Karts and the G29 are a joke. The issue is that imperceptively small movements of the wheel translate to very large steering angles. You have to grip the wheel ridiculously hard to stop the even the smallest of bounces (FFB) from causing any wheel motion as even the smallest movements can throw you off the track.

Add counter balancing a slide to FFB and its almost impossible to control consistently. I doubt turning off FFB would help at all, it might even just make it worse.

25 laps of that, no thanks.

Edit: I should add that my thinking includes wondering how the kart is going to react when nudged or taking avoiding action if its already close to impossible to control under normal circumstances.

 

[Tidgney]

Ye my wrists actually hurt after about 30 minutes from having to hold the wheel so damn hard and be so precise with movements... not sure who thought this was a good idea for a race, especially after the last kart race and that had CSA involved but loads of crashes in that one.

edit: I'm on a T-GT no idea rotation but apparently default is 1080 so I do feel for 900 rotation users!

 

[SMinded31]

Looks like I'm the only one looking forward to it. There wont be fuel saving trains anymore.
Sure it takes a while to get used to. I'm still using an old G27 and you do have to grip it right and put VERY little inputs but the actual racing is a blast.

 

[Winnie847]

Hey @Tidgney I was watching your video of Manufacturer's Gr.4 at DT Gardens last night. Just curious, were you using TCS in an effort to minimize the tire wear? Or do you just prefer it that way in FF cars for some reason? I rarely use them myself, but if I'm ever stuck in one for a race with tire-wear I might take this advice.

By the way, well done on being able to finish where you did in that dang car against all those beasts on the track with you...and also, WOW what an overtake that was! Cheers

 

[Tidgney]

Hey @Tidgney I was watching your video of Manufacturer's Gr.4 at DT Gardens last night. Just curious, were you using TCS in an effort to minimize the tire wear? Or do you just prefer it that way in FF cars for some reason? I rarely use them myself, but if I'm ever stuck in one for a race with tire-wear I might take this advice.

By the way, well done on being able to finish where you did in that dang car against all those beasts on the track with you...and also, WOW what an overtake that was! Cheers

Hey mate ! So traction control was Kie25s idea and it's literally to try reduce tyre wear in the front wheel drive cars, if I had my way I wouldn't use it but feel like I have to due to the accelerated tyre wear. It helps a tiny bit but even a tiny bit is better than nothing! Haha glad you like the overtake to !

 

[RoadBeef]

Hello everyone,

Thought I would share my experiences in the FIA races so far.
Fuel saving has caught me by surprise, this is news to me, I'll need to really do my homework before this competition is over.

Round 1 Nations:
911 RSR
Had what I thought was a sure thing going until the pit stops. I had been running flat out and had no idea so much time could be gained through fuel savings. I was about +8secs up on 2nd place before pitting, but exited only +1.5secs ahead!! Huge shock. The gap grew until the finish back to 8 seconds but that surprise really had me worried for the upcoming races...

Round 2 Nations:
Cayman GT4
I could hardly believe some of the fastest times in practice, and lucky me, I got seeded into the same race as the top qualifier IOF_Racing17. Managed to keep touch until the pit stops and went in one lap later than the leader. Exited -5seconds further down with TRL_doodle right on my tail. This time I watched the replay from IOF's view and noticed they were using 4th where I was using 3rd in the final long carusel right hander of Yamigawa. I am quite shocked at the advantages of short shifting and fuel saving. It is indeed a cool real world element but after having played years and years of rfactor and iRacing I can't help but wonder if the advantages are beyond realistic. But this is probably a discussion for another time as I doubt these will be adjusted mid-season, and it's my onus to get on top of it anyway, only myself to blame. There will be a LOT of testing in my future to figure out which of low revs / higher fuel mapping / strange corner entries yield the highest gains in fuel savings.

A few pictures from these two events:

Round 1

Round 2

 

[Slentom]

Trying to be fast in the karting race with the G29 is a complete waste of time. I tried every combination possible, nothing works. I tried with controllers, easiest to control, but not fast enough.

My last chance is to re-install my old T150 and adjust to 1080° otherwise I can say bye bye to the Nations Cup.

 

[NommyNom]

The karting looks like a good challenge of precision, always up for a good challenge. Wednesday should be fun but I’ll need more practice. Last cup racing with karts still allowed CSA, pretty sure this time it doesn’t. I imagine a lot of people will pass on this race, but we’ll see.

 

[K32]

I was doing some FIA practice Runs today on Dragon including @melman the Top10 Dude in his Hurachan. We were able to do the 13 laps in slightly under 24 Minutes, best was 23:57. me finishing behind him by just 0.5 Seconds. Although his Hurachan is definitely faster than my 458, by at least half a second per lap. His best was a 46,1 mine was a 46,7.
Question is, what are your times around that track? I guess we pretty much were driving on the edge of our abilities.

Fastest lap with full fuel (and no slipstream) that I've seen is a 1:45.716, and it was done by a regular top 10 driver from the Asia/Oceania region. The driver in question has the second fastest lap in the online time trial for the Manufacturer race with a time of 1:44.929 (not sure if it's .929 or perhaps .926, but the time is definitely under 1:45), slower by only 0.003 from the top result. Oh... and by the way, he did those times with an SLS.

Proof of lap time:

EDIT: Noticed the quality of the screen capture isn't top notch, so here's the video starting at the time in-video that shows the lap time.

 

[ramurel]

The karting looks like a good challenge of precision, always up for a good challenge. Wednesday should be fun but I’ll need more practice. Last cup racing with karts still allowed CSA, pretty sure this time it doesn’t. I imagine a lot of people will pass on this race, but we’ll see.

Yeah, very challenging, i'm on G29,too, gotta keep the wheel straight, very little left or right movement and it's fun ! ( and TC is completely useless with kart, no help at all )
After 20-30 minutes of practice with kart, I went to another Sport mode race and it was difficult to "recalibrate" my driving style with other race cars, almost forgot how to make normal left/right turns

 

[Cuber Tom]

Hello everyone,

Thought I would share my experiences in the FIA races so far.
Fuel saving has caught me by surprise, this is news to me, I'll need to really do my homework before this competition is over.

Round 1 Nations:
911 RSR
Had what I thought was a sure thing going until the pit stops. I had been running flat out and had no idea so much time could be gained through fuel savings. I was about +8secs up on 2nd place before pitting, but exited only +1.5secs ahead!! Huge shock. The gap grew until the finish back to 8 seconds but that surprise really had me worried for the upcoming races...

Round 2 Nations:
Cayman GT4
I could hardly believe some of the fastest times in practice, and lucky me, I got seeded into the same race as the top qualifier IOF_Racing17. Managed to keep touch until the pit stops and went in one lap later than the leader. Exited -5seconds further down with TRL_doodle right on my tail. This time I watched the replay from IOF's view and noticed they were using 4th where I was using 3rd in the final long carusel right hander of Yamigawa. I am quite shocked at the advantages of short shifting and fuel saving. It is indeed a cool real world element but after having played years and years of rfactor and iRacing I can't help but wonder if the advantages are beyond realistic. But this is probably a discussion for another time as I doubt these will be adjusted mid-season, and it's my onus to get on top of it anyway, only myself to blame. There will be a LOT of testing in my future to figure out which of low revs / higher fuel mapping / strange corner entries yield the highest gains in fuel savings.

A few pictures from these two events:

Round 1

Round 2

The reason fuel saving is so important is because the fuel multiplier which is normally 5 or 6 times. So shortshifting or lift and coast save 5 or 6 times more fuel than you would in reality.

The way PD could fix this is increasing the refuel rate from 7L/s to about 40L/s or they could use a 1x multiplier and reduce the fuel tank size to about 20%

 

[GT_Alex74]

You guys probably noticed some people losing all the cars in their garage due to online save shenanigans. This happened to me once in the past. Long story short, I noticed I didn't have a kart when trying to go for free practice, and thought "ho, I'm just gonna buy one". Turns out you can't. The kart isn't available to purchase in brands central. Only way you can get it is by watching the fairplay videos, which are already registered as watch for me (and yes, I tried watching again, doesn't work).

So basically I'm denied the ability to take part in the next round of Nations Cup because I had a bug several months ago due to online saves. Great.

@Cuber Tom Exactly my thoughts, this would level the field much more than BoP changes imo.

 

[Tidgney]

Wow... so just had a couple of manufacturer races... first 2 I did in the RCZ tried a 2 stop, that won't really work then tried a 1 stop and literally laps 6 & 7 are so bad... it's mid 48's at best. Then tried the huracan as Lamborghini would be my next manufacturer I'd pick after Peugeot, it's also not the strongest gr.4 car... Lap 6&7 I'm mid to low 46's, fast pace well in the 45's! My apex speed on some corners varied by 10mph which is nuts. Whole class definitely not been tested at race pace, very very frustrating .

It really does get to me because how can you run a championship with the car balance so far off... Ahh well just got to hope for some luck with carnage I guess .