FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[Peddler13]

Yes, here are the strategies that @Mistah_MCA shared.
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I didn't see this until now. It is very interesting.
The stratagy that I have come up with, for me, is almost identical to his no. 3 strategy.

 

[TeddyWestside]

so I magically gained 2 points from the conclusion of the race to me exiting the room but I'm not complaining.

Ah, those will be my 2 points. I've dropped a tonne of them lately and they've rolled all over the place. Just email them to desperate_for_any_extra-points_I_can_get @ needhelp.com

Thank you

 

[Peddler13]

There is a way to find them through your Friends tab on the Playstation. Look for players met down at the bottom. It breaks it down by daily, point, and lobby races
I’ve sent messages thru there to clear some 🤬 up after post race. Also had messages sent to me as well.

I will try to find this feature too

 

[Peddler13]

I just raced in the first Manufacturers cup race and I stuffed it up mega bad.
I qualified ok, but come race time its like I totally forgot about the many hours of testing that I had done. I went off by myself at the first turn, wasn't hitting my marks, got tangled up trying to go around the outside of a car (who had just come off) trying to get into the pits, and to top it off accidentally put on hards in my last pit stop when I needed softs. Talk about going to pieces. I thought I was rid of stage fright but it is back with a vengeance!

I still might try the second race though.
Honestly, I couldn't be more prepared if it wasn't for my nerves

 

[SweatyC]

Started 7th finished 7th.

It wasn’t a great race. Started on Mediums but accidentally nudged off car in front at T1, just caught out by early braking so felt bad about that. Settled down into the race but got dived on a couple of laps later and got a 1 second penalty for having my door hit. Thought they’d fixed that??? That pulled me back into the chasing pack. Got forcefully bumped out the way a couple of times by others. Finished 8th but someone had a tire penalty moving me up a place. Wasn’t fastest Viper either just to rub it in

 

[Rangeraus]

The pit loss at Laguna Seca is so large that you may as well stop once and wear the 20 second penalty.

An Audi TT crossed the line first and only finished 6 seconds back after the countback applied.

 

[SweatyC]

The pit loss at Laguna Seca is so large that you may as well stop once and wear the 20 second penalty.

An Audi TT crossed the line first and only finished 6 seconds back after the countback applied.

That’s happened in my race. Car that won still finished 2nd after taking the penalty!

 

[Lion-Face]

Well, Dragons went poorly for me, so, here's laguna seca, I have no confidence in it, the car seems to struggle around the track more so than most, but maybe it's just me also...still gonna have a blast fighting for whatever position I end up in!

 

[MCL1974]

I just raced in the first Manufacturers cup race and I stuffed it up mega bad.
I qualified ok, but come race time its like I totally forgot about the many hours of testing that I had done. I went off by myself at the first turn, wasn't hitting my marks, got tangled up trying to go around the outside of a car (who had just come off) trying to get into the pits, and to top it off accidentally put on hards in my last pit stop when I needed softs. Talk about going to pieces. I thought I was rid of stage fright but it is back with a vengeance!

I still might try the second race though.
Honestly, I couldn't be more prepared if it wasn't for my nerves

good to read that i am not the only one that gets nervous in a race. good luck in a second try should you decide to do so

 

[watto79]

The pit loss at Laguna Seca is so large that you may as well stop once and wear the 20 second penalty.

An Audi TT crossed the line first and only finished 6 seconds back after the countback applied.

I clocked the pit loss time for tyres only at about 16s. I guess if you don't use the mediums or hards then yeah you could probably just about offset the 20s penalty. It would be close though and the morality is questionable.

 

[Rangeraus]

That’s happened in my race. Car that won still finished 2nd after taking the penalty!

PD should patch it before next round, i.e. increase it to 1 penalty per infringement. The same thing will otherwise happen in the Superstars race which also required all 3 compounds.

The rules say you should use RS, RM and RH... but you can technically do a zero or 1-stop race, only use RS tyres, only get 1x 20-second penalty and end up with a much faster race time than you could otherwise have done.

I clocked the pit loss time for tyres only at about 16s. I guess if you don't use the mediums or hards then yeah you could probably just about offset the 20s penalty. It would be close though and the morality is questionable.

Winning time was just a 22:26 by no-stopping on softs, with a penalty. That is 9 seconds faster than I managed in practice using all 3 compounds.

Yes it is indeed questionable... but people will keep doing it as long as PD allows it.

 

[tps_b86_]

Well, Dragons went poorly for me, so, here's laguna seca, I have no confidence in it, the car seems to struggle around the track more so than most, but maybe it's just me also...still gonna have a blast fighting for whatever position I end up in!

Just watched your race finish, that is ridiculous how the race turned out!

 

[Peddler13]

good to read that i am not the only one that gets nervous in a race. good luck in a second try should you decide to do so

I did do better in the 2nd race. I didn't drive as well as I have been in practice races but I did follow my strategy correctly. I am happy with 14th.
I don't think I have much hope of improving my DR rating any time soon, but I am having fun

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Realized I had potential winning pace for Nations so I gave it a go.

Oh boy.

Slot 1: Tried two bankers. Blocked first lap. Penalty second lap because worn tires. Also didn't know 1 stop was faster. Race was rather entertaining, at least.



Slot 2: Went for one lap q but got into dirty air. Started in the back again. Forgot where I finished but definitely was going again.

Slot 3: Finally an okay-ish lap and a chance to try and beat Deafsun. But such a thing is not allowed.



Slot 4: Typical "Car does something unexpected during q" moment and a horrid lap puts me P3. Stuck with my one stop strat and got the win despite rather sloppy pace.

 

[Baka_Marimo]

Because it's rapid! You'll easily make up the time you'd lose taking the extra pit stop

How realistic is such a difference in tyre performance though? Do racing teams in real life do this too? I'm not keeping myself busy with motorracing in real life and don't know a lot about this.

 

[05XR8]

How realistic is such a difference in tyre performance though? Do racing teams in real life do this too? I'm not keeping myself busy with motorracing in real life and don't know a lot about this.

(V8)Supercars have used two compounds: soft- which is a an old hard compound and a super soft which is a normal soft. have multiple compound
Formula One have multiple compound choices, from memory(Ultra soft, soft, medium, etc.).

Most races come down to staying out of aero wash and fuel saving(F1 is no refueling). So, it's not much of an all out top speed race. The one who is in fresh air or makes an undercut work, usually wins.

 

[Rangeraus]

How realistic is such a difference in tyre performance though? Do racing teams in real life do this too? I'm not keeping myself busy with motorracing in real life and don't know a lot about this.

In Indycar for example, there are two tyre compounds - on road/street tracks you need to complete at least 2 laps on each tyre compound during a race.

Anyone who doesn't do that receives a 1-lap penalty, at minimum - see 15.3.3:

http://epaddock.indycar.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=k8xdi-l5zaU=&portalid=0

 

[Peddler13]

THAT sounds like a much more realistic penalty.
I was thinking of a straight out disqualification!
When I mistakenly put on the wrong tyres, I pitted again the next lap to put the correct ones on. It didn't really matter as I was last anyway, but if I was fighting for a decent position it might have made a big difference.

 

[schnick]

GT is all about loopholes, if I didn't miscalculate I would have had the 40 in slot 1, oh well it's only exhibition

 

[Pigems]

GT is all about loopholes.

PD must be a government run company.

 

[Lion-Face]

Just watched your race finish, that is ridiculous how the race turned out!

Yep it certainly was.

For those who have not watched my stream, @Rangeraus pointed out before the race that not changing compounds was faster. I decided that I could run a no stop on softs, saving fuel and looking after the tires. There is only 1 20 second penalty for not using the different compounds. I ran an average of 1:28flat (creeping to 1:29's in the later stages) to bring the car home from 6th on the grid to 2nd. The winner was @schnick in the renault who did the same as me. 3rd and 4th also didn't change compounds but ran a flat out race 1 stop back onto softs and lost to me by about 3 seconds.

It is 100% morally wrong. Per the rules of the game it is legit. I hope it gets patched out very quickly. I'm not usually one to 'cheat' my way through a race, yet I found it fascinating that someone came up with that creative idea, the loophole in the rules as it is that I had to give it a go. I believe 7 or 8 out of the top 10 copped a 20 second penalty at the end of my race.

 

[ivann]

this is a problem that strategy matters only in asia/oceania 1st slot
there are no surprise strategies possible in other regions

 

[Pigems]

this is a problem that strategy matters only in asia/oceania 1st slot
there are no surprise strategies possible in other regions

Not everyone over hear watching the other regions races though.

 

[ivann]

just jumping in this thread gives you the best strategy, dont have to actually watch the race

 

[xxPinkyKissxx]

Feel dirty that i'm considering 'bending the rules'!

As just mentioned, the element of surprise will be gone after the 1st race or two!

 

[Pigems]

Feel dirty that i'm considering 'bending the rules'!

As just mentioned, the element of surprise will be gone after the 1st race or two!

I’m just gonna flat out ask people in the pre race lobby, How many are planning to just take the penalty?

 

[LeGeNd-1]

The pit loss at Laguna Seca is so large that you may as well stop once and wear the 20 second penalty.

An Audi TT crossed the line first and only finished 6 seconds back after the countback applied.

PD should patch it before next round, i.e. increase it to 1 penalty per infringement. The same thing will otherwise happen in the Superstars race which also required all 3 compounds.

The rules say you should use RS, RM and RH... but you can technically do a zero or 1-stop race, only use RS tyres, only get 1x 20-second penalty and end up with a much faster race time than you could otherwise have done.



Winning time was just a 22:26 by no-stopping on softs, with a penalty. That is 9 seconds faster than I managed in practice using all 3 compounds.

Yes it is indeed questionable... but people will keep doing it as long as PD allows it.

Yep it certainly was.

For those who have not watched my stream, @Rangeraus pointed out before the race that not changing compounds was faster. I decided that I could run a no stop on softs, saving fuel and looking after the tires. There is only 1 20 second penalty for not using the different compounds. I ran an average of 1:28flat (creeping to 1:29's in the later stages) to bring the car home from 6th on the grid to 2nd. The winner was @schnick in the renault who did the same as me. 3rd and 4th also didn't change compounds but ran a flat out race 1 stop back onto softs and lost to me by about 3 seconds.

It is 100% morally wrong. Per the rules of the game it is legit. I hope it gets patched out very quickly. I'm not usually one to 'cheat' my way through a race, yet I found it fascinating that someone came up with that creative idea, the loophole in the rules as it is that I had to give it a go. I believe 7 or 8 out of the top 10 copped a 20 second penalty at the end of my race.

Very interesting exploit, almost Schumacher 1998 British GP esque One guy did try running 8S+7S in my room but still finished second, so I just chalked it up as an honest oversight of not reading the rules rather than meta-cheating. I didn't even test anything other than 2 stop strat because of the mandatory tyre reqs. Serves me right lol.

I think the problem is with the Laguna Seca pit travel time. On other tracks as soon as you enter the pits you get teleported straight to your pitbox (or after 1-2 seconds max). Then once you leave you get teleported to the end of the pitlane. At Laguna there is a veeeery long delay between entering the pit and entering the box, and of course the pitlane exit is also quite long (though your car does speed up automatically at this point, so I doubt you lose that much time compared to normal track driving).

There was an update last year that made the pit travel time different in racing vs lobby free run situations to compensate for the fuel/tyre multipliers. Laguna was the last track added to the game (and it was after the update), so it's possible that PD forgot to set the different pit travel times for this specific track. Of course, we've had races here before but strategy wise this has only been revealed just now. Interesting to see what PD will do. Thank goodness this isn't the official season

Wondering if the next Nations RB Jr race will have the same exploit. I doubt it since that race is a lot longer potentially making no stop too slow, but we'll see

Man, this is why I always race first slot only. Once the element of surprise is gone there's no excitement at all in these FIA races. It just becomes another daily race. Also why I think they should make all region races synchronised. Us in Oceania are always the guinea pigs

 

[ivann]

Man, this is why I always race first slot only. Once the element of surprise is gone there's no excitement at all in these FIA races. It just becomes another daily race. Also why I think they should make all region races synchronised. Us in Oceania are always the guinea pigs

yes, I agree

 

[Peddler13]

Think I might give myself a break and not try the gr. 3 cars at Catalunya. I was looking forward to it but I think it will take too much out of me.

 

[Pigems]

Think I might give myself a break and not try the gr. 3 cars at Catalunya. I was looking forward to it but I think it will take too much out of me.

Just look at it as a learning experience instead of an attempt at a good score. You can never have to much experience and can always learn something from the race.