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Raced on hards, no stop: awful; saw @stpatty do well with 1H/6M
Raced 1H/6M: okay, got whumped by six 6S/1H drivers
Raced 6M/1H: came second (3s lead became a 7s deficit) to a no-stop hards driver

I give up.

Edit: Nearly at 35k now though, so yay.
 
Well I had time for 2 races tonight, none of them went my way.

1st race, got a penalty on the last corners which disallowed my time. Started 17th, finished 7th after starting on hards and putting after lap 1.

2nd race, I got heavily blocked in the first section, completely wrecking my lap, started 13th, had the same strategy, but had a bit more fighting. Got shafted on the start as it started me on a corner in 1st, wasn't even on half power and I span.

Recovered that race to 6th, had one Dutch guy doing my head in as he kept doing stupid divebombs from miles back, hitting me. Last straw was when he divebombed me on the right hander after that weird right-left corner. I went wide to let him through then "accidently" clipped his rear end and he just so happened to spin. ‍*shrugs* I probably could have taken 5th if it wasn't for him.

The most annoying thing? I was one of the fastest cars in the track. But I suppose I'll take my 126 points.
 
The Beetle at Sarthe. I wasn't expecting much as I don't have much experience on this track yet. Turned out pretty well - Q8, P4. I used 05XR8's strategy of qualifying on hards and running hards all race as a no-stopper (thanks 05XR8!). I had 0.2 of fuel left at the end. The last lap was my fastest so I saved the tires pretty well, and I think I finally got a rhythm down on this track by the end of the race.

If cars wanted to pass me on the straights, then I just let them go. Several of them I saw later spun-out on the side of the road as I cruised on past them :). I didn't get any penalties the whole race so I was proud of that too.

I am still DR D right now, so maybe that is why the conservative strategy worked, but felt good to run consistent laps and make progress toward the front.
 
Only managed to do 1 race tonight and i qualified p10 even though i received a 1 second penalty during my quali lap.

During the race i had a good battle with a guy in a mclaren and a guy in a lexus and we were battling for p9, p10, and p11. Those 2 guys were on mediums and pitted towards the end of the race, and then a guy in a porsche in p8 made a mistake at the playstation chicane on the last lap, so that allowed me to catch up to him and make a late dive up the inside as we started breaking for the michelin chicane. I then made a mistake going into mulsanne, which allowed the porsche to take back p8 and then i took back p8 going into Indianapolis. So in the end i finished p8, which I'm pretty happy with, even though i think i would've got a better result if i qualified slightly higher up the grid.
 
Absolute worst case and a new low at Circuit de la Sarthe in the Manufacturers race. Went in with no expectations, left with even less.

Punted BEFORE the starting line, in the last chicane. Boxed in by a moron in a Mazda, then run over by an idiot who can't see past his hood apparently, and to make matters worse, rather than be a gentleman and let me maintain my spot, crowded me off the apex (from a behind starting position...) so that I was then in turn run over by another idiot who thought he could win the race before it started. To make matters worse (is it possible?) I was door #1, meaning the DR points loss was as bad as it could be. Total debacle and enough to make me quit playing for a while. I just don't understand why people are such ******* and if PD don't find a way to police some of this BS before making another game, count me out.

Had planned to just run a no-stopper and let anyone who spun off or was penalized fall behind me, take what I could get. Probably should have just switched it up and ducked in after the first lap for M's, and try to outrun some of the rear end, but I thought it would be more likely that I could play the draft chain game and make up more spots that way. Didn't work out.



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EDIT: UPDATE: mustered up nerve to run another, qualified Q9/R10, started on Hards... wasn't holding my own and was gonna lose the leaders anyway, so ducked in for M's after lap 1, caught back up from last place to finish 10th. Clean race, great lobby, was door #5 so was net 0 on DR but 75 FIA standing points, probably for the trash bin in the end but was a fun race. Faith in humanity restored, faith in my own pace at Circuit de la Sarthe still MIA,
 
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Raced on hards, no stop: awful; saw @stpatty do well with 1H/6M
Raced 1H/6M: okay, got whumped by six 6S/1H drivers
Raced 6M/1H: came second (3s lead became a 7s deficit) to a no-stop hards driver

I give up.

Edit: Nearly at 35k now though, so yay.
The 1H/6M only works if you get lucky with traffic and are in a lobby of around our level (I'm up to 38k after three finishes of 2nd, 4th and 3rd). I got lucky with traffic pretty much everywhere on my runs. With it being a long track, and being slipstream heavy, you can count on some carnage in the first lap, then isolated incidents later as people misjudge slipstreams. Then again, seeing @Tidgney do top split you see there are morons at every level, so it's pretty much a lottery everywhere.

I'd love to see a modified version of this as a Daily Race C combo. 6 laps, med/soft, bump the tyre wear up by one or two to give a legitimate choice in strategy. A fun evening for me.
 
Just did the 2nd time slot. Qualified 5th when I should've had 4th or 3rd because I thought it would be smart to bump-draft a Porsche in my Corvette and lost a ton of time on the Mulsanne doing so...

Finished 7th when I should've had 4th after screwing up Corvette Corner (ironic...) and the Ford Chicane and getting myself a 1.5s penalty, followed immediately by me blowing the 2nd Mulsanne chicane. Had I not screwed up my own qualifying I might've even been in contention for the win, since starting 5th meant I started right in the middle of final chicane...in 1st gear...on cold Hards...
 
The 1H/6M only works if you get lucky with traffic and are in a lobby of around our level (I'm up to 38k after three finishes of 2nd, 4th and 3rd). I got lucky with traffic pretty much everywhere on my runs. With it being a long track, and being slipstream heavy, you can count on some carnage in the first lap, then isolated incidents later as people misjudge slipstreams. Then again, seeing @Tidgney do top split you see there are morons at every level, so it's pretty much a lottery everywhere.

I'd love to see a modified version of this as a Daily Race C combo. 6 laps, med/soft, bump the tyre wear up by one or two to give a legitimate choice in strategy. A fun evening for me.

Ye there's people doing all sorts at all levels. I'd still argue 1 shot would stop quite a lot because you won't have people playing 8 hours in a day... and then they also know its there only chance. People will always make mistakes mind you, and I think there is a solid grey area when people think somethings dirty and its just a mistake and someone hitting you many times etc.

Also, what on earth is this BoP at the moment! A GTR went from the back to the front in top split and then proceeded to break away. Then I check Suzuka in Nations and GTR is top in that to...?
 
The second race was much, much better than the first.

Following what I said previously, for qualifying, I bolted out of the pit lane ASAP and luckily I was the first one out with the person behind me being a bit away since they came from the end of the pits. The pack was far behind me and I didn't need to worry about anyone for my flying lap, which wasn't the greatest, around 1.5 seconds slower than what I could've done on a perfect lap, but it was still enough to net me 6th place. All around me were more power-oriented cars though- an FT-1 concept was in front and a Supra was behind.

On the first lap I lost a place on the Mulsanne Straight, as expected, but I guess the crowd behind started fighting already because I was part of the "front" pack with a 2 second gap to the folks behind, which only got bigger. At the end of lap 1, the Supra and FT-1 went 2-wide into the final chicane, compromising their exit, and I just snuck through the gap that opened up to pass them both. THe FT-1 passed me back on the straight, but he had good pace, so for the next two laps I bump drafted with him to try to catch up to the top 3. On lap 4, one of the top 3 made a mistake entering the Mulsanne straight and was a Mustang, right behind me. However, he cooperated with me and bump drafted me, while I also used the FT-1 in front to help my defense. At the end of lap 5 2nd place went to pit and we all passed them, and then on the first chicane the FT-1 in front spun on exit. I thought I was dead because of the Mustang's straight-line speed but he continued to bump draft me- after the race I learned he was fuel saving which explains why he didn't pass me on several occasions when he had a clear chance to. But, at the end of lap 6 1st place went into the pits and I inherited the lead, and despite having a moment coming out of the 2nd chicane on the Mulsanne Straight, I was able to keep 1st, with the Mustang behind dropping off at the final corners, probably due to fuel.

I'm a little upset the replay didn't save fully because of the space limitations (I have several hundred GB full on my hard drive yet the gallery only uses like a few GB? ???), but still, that was an amazing race with some quick, clean people. I'm going to be cruising some mountain roads nearby with friends this Saturday so I won't be racing in those races, so ending on this high note and high point count is very nice.

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Ye there's people doing all sorts at all levels. I'd still argue 1 shot would stop quite a lot because you won't have people playing 8 hours in a day... and then they also know its there only chance. People will always make mistakes mind you, and I think there is a solid grey area when people think somethings dirty and its just a mistake and someone hitting you many times etc.

Also, what on earth is this BoP at the moment! A GTR went from the back to the front in top split and then proceeded to break away. Then I check Suzuka in Nations and GTR is top in that to...?
I noticed the GT-R walking away from me(in the Mustang) at Interlagos. In the corners(entry, mid, exit)! How is that?
At Lago, those things were so wild in the rear. Oh well, we'll see how the Mustang goes at Suzuka.
 
I was disco’d first attempt after qualifying 3rd, next race was a stunner.
I started seventh ran 6m 1h and finished fifth!
The racing restored my faith in FIA events.
It was nailbiting but everyone played smart, hard but clean.
Races like this today are the reason I play this game!
One and done, good points haul for my level...
 
I wasn’t gonna do it, but I changed my mind last minute and took the Alfa out to Le Mans. It did surprisingly well in the draft, but I ended up with a .5’er in qualifying and lost over a second on the lap, started 14th. When the race started, the two cars in front of me spun tires before the start line and we lost the draft before we even got to T1. :lol: I lost a few places over the first laps on the straights and gained a couple back from people getting pens or missing brake points. By lap 5, the Alfa behind me was into my draft, he caught me quickly after that and we had a really enjoyable last few laps. He got the position in the end, but it was really fun going back and forth, and very clean. :)

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Just did the 3rd slot. This time during qualifying I spent the entire lap after the Dunlop Chicane solo, and qualified 10th. Once again did a no-stopper. I finished 5th for 190 points after passing a people mostly due to people making mistakes or pitting. I actually had the 3rd slowest FL of the race, with the only other slower FLs coming from drivers who finished 15th or worse. This was probably exclusively due to my lack of ability to drive the Porsche Curves consistently, while also tip-toeing through the Corvette Curves to try to avoid an off-track penalty. This is my best points score of the season in this championship, so I'm done for the night.

I wonder how Sardegna B will go. I like the flow of it way better than the reverse version, and the last time I raced there (the Nations race in the RB Jr.), I won, though that was mostly due to my fondness for that car more than anything else...
 
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Wow the La Sarthe race is um, interesting.

after getting a little draft and having the draftee move over and turn on his blinker for me to pass, I qualified 5th in the Corvette. It’s a shame they neutered this car and so many just pull away when drafting them.

Anyway, I was mid chicane when the count down ended, spun the tires up and got sideways, even with TC on 1, oops. Lost 1 spot. Hard braking zone After the first straight, 7th didn’t slow when I did. Happened again at the hard left after the back straight, but this one shoved me off in the dirt. 11th place. Fought back and get punted from behind again, super frustrating. Battle in front of me on lap 7 for 7th and i’m 9th, they tag each other In the final chicane and I pass the GTR that ended up 16th....4 cars got 1 minute penalties, I end up 7th since 1 was in front of me.

At least now I know why 4 different racers rear ended me, they were braking 2 car lengths later on mediums, ruined my race and got a 1 minute penalty ruining their too. Nice work to those guyz, knuckleheads.

It’s a shame, 1 and 2 were gone, but 3rd was up for grabs if people bothered using brakes to avoid the car in front and didn’t want to battle so hard on lap1.

I guess it will never change.
 
My penalty box race was way more fun. Great 5 lap battle with the guy who crossed the line first (who will inevitably be posting here sayin “wtf! I got a 60 second penalty and the game stole my win!). He rage quit before everyone finished.

So....
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But 139 points from a half A/half B room isn’t as exciting as it used to be. Either way, it pushes my season total (top 3) to 456 which is 37 points higher than last season. I feel pretty good about that...and my finishes for the year are 1, 15, 7, 2, and 1.

Too bad that Jag kinda sucks and I might jump ship and lose all these points.
 
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Too bad that Jag kinda sucks and I might jump ship and lose all these points.
Maybe they'll do another BoP change when the new Mazda Gr. 3 car is introduced. Wishful thinking I know, but if there's a time to do it in the middle of a season, it's at that point. I'm in the same boat with Chevy (Chevy is the only manufacturer ranked worse than Jag in North America, and they're also both near the bottom globally). I'm not really contemplating switching, but man the Gr. 4 car could do with a decent power increase (or weight reduction, but that's even less likely). I've been getting decent results in the Gr. 3 car though.
 
Halfway around Suzuka, I quit. Really is no point in doing FP. Not even for bragging rights.
Race day, those numbers go out the window. I've seen many a times, players choose a different car than the FP time anyway. Hope PF change this for the next game. Add fuel/tyre wear and only one lap, like the Lewis Hamilton Challenge.
 
Back where I started for this season, McLaren with the F1 GTR as my Gr.3 car. I struggled massively with the F1 in 2019 because it's off the pace nearly everywhere (PD pls buff). Except for one track: La Sarthe 💡

Entering the second slot race in my F1, I was greeted by a top split lobby with 389 points on offer :eek: I ended up qualifying 6th with a 3:53.773, which could've been better because I was a bit too close to the car in front, but good enough nonetheless. A Ford GT, three Supras and a Huracan qualified in front of me.

P7 was in the 911, which is relatively weak here, so by the first Mulsanne chicane on lap 1 I had already broken the slipstream and was out in front with the 5 cars in front of me. The first lap was uneventful, until TRL Adam in the Ford GT went deep into the Ford chicanes and picked up a 1 second penalty. He fell into the pack behind after serving it, while Fire in the Supra had pulled out of slipstream range. Fortunately for the rest of us, he got a 0.5 second penalty at Dunlop chicane on lap 3 and we closed in again. Meanwhile, the GTR behind me had broken away from the group and was now in my slipstream. Two of the cars in front lost out in an incident at Arnage, which promoted me to P3, but Fire was out of slipstream again. Both him and the Supra in front of me got penalties at Corvette though, so when they served them on the Mulsanne straight on lap 4, I went up to P2 and was very close to Fire. Only half a second behind exiting the second chicane, and I took the lead at half distance under braking for Mulsanne.

What followed was two and a half laps of defending for my life from the pack of 5 cars behind me. The F1, being very slow in the corners and extremely fast in a straight line with very good traction, is a really frustrating car to be stuck behind. The Supra could get alongside on the long straights, but as soon as he pulled out of the slipstream, I got back in front and he was forced to back out. I didn't put a foot wrong the whole time, but obviously the defending slowed everyone down. I was running a second off the pace, so by the final lap, more cars behind had caught up and there were now 9 cars in the lead pack within less than 3 seconds :scared:

Fire got another 0.5s penalty at Dunlop chicane but was closer than ever into the first chicane on the Mulsanne straight, and this time sent it up the inside to take P1. When he served his penalty, I led again and Giorgio in the Lambo took over P2. I missed my braking marker coming into Mulsanne for the final time, which allowed the Lambo to get fully alongside and take the lead, but the F1 is so OP in a straight line that I was once again in front before the kink. Then there was another incident at Arnage and suddenly I was 2 seconds clear :D All that was left was to drive the rest of the lap as cautiously as I possibly could, and bring the McLaren home to take the 389 points and 40 global manufacturer points for my first win in top split (and possibly my final race on the pad)! :gtpflag:

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Manufacturers a wreck fest.
Survived people wrecking each other in quali.
Got up to 8th in both races I tried.
Punted into oblivion in both.
I hate GTRs.

Back where I started for this season, McLaren with the F1 GTR as my Gr.3 car. I struggled massively with the F1 in 2019 because it's off the pace nearly everywhere (PD pls buff). Except for one track: La Sarthe 💡

Entering the second slot race in my F1, I was greeted by a top split lobby with 389 points on offer :eek: I ended up qualifying 6th with a 3:53.773, which could've been better because I was a bit too close to the car in front, but good enough nonetheless. A Ford GT, three Supras and a Huracan qualified in front of me.

P7 was in the 911, which is relatively weak here, so by the first Mulsanne chicane on lap 1 I had already broken the slipstream and was out in front with the 5 cars in front of me. The first lap was uneventful, until TRL Adam in the Ford GT went deep into the Ford chicanes and picked up a 1 second penalty. He fell into the pack behind after serving it, while Fire in the Supra had pulled out of slipstream range. Fortunately for the rest of us, he got a 0.5 second penalty at Dunlop chicane on lap 3 and we closed in again. Meanwhile, the GTR behind me had broken away from the group and was now in my slipstream. Two of the cars in front lost out in an incident at Arnage, which promoted me to P3, but Fire was out of slipstream again. Both him and the Supra in front of me got penalties at Corvette though, so when they served them on the Mulsanne straight on lap 4, I went up to P2 and was very close to Fire. Only half a second behind exiting the second chicane, and I took the lead at half distance under braking for Mulsanne.

What followed was two and a half laps of defending for my life from the pack of 5 cars behind me. The F1, being very slow in the corners and extremely fast in a straight line with very good traction, is a really frustrating car to be stuck behind. The Supra could get alongside on the long straights, but as soon as he pulled out of the slipstream, I got back in front and he was forced to back out. I didn't put a foot wrong the whole time, but obviously the defending slowed everyone down. I was running a second off the pace, so by the final lap, more cars behind had caught up and there were now 9 cars in the lead pack within less than 3 seconds :scared:

Fire got another 0.5s penalty at Dunlop chicane but was closer than ever into the first chicane on the Mulsanne straight, and this time sent it up the inside to take P1. When he served his penalty, I led again and Giorgio in the Lambo took over P2. I missed my braking marker coming into Mulsanne for the final time, which allowed the Lambo to get fully alongside and take the lead, but the F1 is so OP in a straight line that I was once again in front before the kink. Then there was another incident at Arnage and suddenly I was 2 seconds clear :D All that was left was to drive the rest of the lap as cautiously as I possibly could, and bring the McLaren home to take the 389 points and 40 global manufacturer points for my first win in top split (and possibly my final race on the pad)! :gtpflag:

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Congrats btw.
Saw it on twitter. Love the Big Mac.

Giving hope to other controller users.
 
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Next rounds of Manu and Nations look good. I remember Sardegna B gr3 was in dailies a long time ago, good strategy was fuel saving no stopper. But I dont remember tyre and fuel multipliers, were they same as now?
Edit: I just realised how stupid I am:D FIA races are much longer than dailies so it will be different strategy for sure, not even mentioning that there will be mandatory tyres:D
 
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Ye there's people doing all sorts at all levels. I'd still argue 1 shot would stop quite a lot because you won't have people playing 8 hours in a day... and then they also know its there only chance. People will always make mistakes mind you, and I think there is a solid grey area when people think somethings dirty and its just a mistake and someone hitting you many times etc.

Also, what on earth is this BoP at the moment! A GTR went from the back to the front in top split and then proceeded to break away. Then I check Suzuka in Nations and GTR is top in that to...?
Leave the Big Boi alone plz it was complete dog meat in every round last season

Some of us can't drive and need the raw speed to compensate for it
 
Next rounds of Manu and Nations look good. I remember Sardegna B gr3 was in dailies a long time ago, good strategy was fuel saving no stopper. But I dont remember tyre and fuel multipliers, were they same as now?
Edit: I just realised how stupid I am:D FIA races are much longer than dailies so it will be different strategy for sure, not even mentioning that there will be mandatory tyres:D

Yes looking at the race details all 3 compounds are required so it'll be a 2 stopper - https://www.gran-turismo.com/gb/gtsport/sportmode/championship/2256/round/7

Dave Perel did a good track guide of it a while ago that I found useful -
 
Another tough one at La Sarthe yesterday... Is it just me or is Manufacturers more competitive than Nations? I really struggle to get good results these days. I took four stabs at it, best I got was Q10P7.
I have steadily increased my DR while focusing on FIA only, and now feel that if I don't prepare really well, I go backwards in the race. I might change my approach to less races but better prepared. I gotta say though, on the last race it got really close and that was great. So I still think it was the right call to try and place my DR accurately, but even a podium seems out of reach.

Now onto the "rant" section. I'm surprised I didn't see more complaints about the penalty system around La Sarthe. I'm usually ok with it, but that was not cool. It's like they put Oprah on the steward board. YOU get a penalty, YOU get a penalty, EVERYONE gets a penalty.

I prepared a few videos, here are just 4 examples below where I think I didn't deserve them. Below the vids I'm including screenshots of the fastest lap in the rankings, WAY abusing track limits and no penalty. That really needs to be addressed. Both regarding consistency, and better calculating. Again, if you can please tell me what you think but those penalties below are not deserved, and they add up! And most importantly they take the focus away from racing to "track limit" anxiety.

Why?


Why??


Why?!


Whyyyyy!


And the screenshots:
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Another tough one at La Sarthe yesterday... Is it just me or is Manufacturers more competitive than Nations? I really struggle to get good results these days. I took four stabs at it, best I got was Q10P7.
I have steadily increased my DR while focusing on FIA only, and now feel that if I don't prepare really well, I go backwards in the race. I might change my approach to less races but better prepared. I gotta say though, on the last race it got really close and that was great. So I still think it was the right call to try and place my DR accurately, but even a podium seems out of reach.

Now onto the "rant" section. I'm surprised I didn't see more complaints about the penalty system around La Sarthe. I'm usually ok with it, but that was not cool. It's like they put Oprah on the steward board. YOU get a penalty, YOU get a penalty, EVERYONE gets a penalty.

I prepared a few videos, here are just 4 examples below where I think I didn't deserve them. Below the vids I'm including screenshots of the fastest lap in the rankings, WAY abusing track limits and no penalty. That really needs to be addressed. Both regarding consistency, and better calculating. Again, if you can please tell me what you think but those penalties below are not deserved, and they add up! And most importantly they take the focus away from racing to "track limit" anxiety.

Why?


Why??


Why?!


Whyyyyy!


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The penalties on this track have always been ridiculous. They never seem to be the same each lap. The second video makes no sense at all when the 4C was the other side of the line completely but doesn't get a penalty. I found in my race yesterday, plenty of times the car in front or behind went wide like that and didn't get a penalty.
 
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