Why are you arguing, it isn't lower price, it is where you live, that means nothing.
Yes, it does mean something when the PSN price of GTSport is 10€ lower a normal GT when it's realeased. It's a fact and even PD mentioned that this game was going to bre priced slightly lower than a numbered GT.
Now we are going in circles, no it isn't, yes it is, no it isn't. How do you know what the original idea was? Do you know if like George Lucas Kaz had a vision that he didn't have the technology to achieve and was forced to compromise? Do you know that throughout the series Kaz has mentioned compromises he had to make? Do you know that some of the ambitions Kaz has shared over the years that he didn't have the technology to achieve are complete transformations of the GT experience such as his open world ambitions that are yet to be achieved and may never be. Perhaps you think a band should change their name when they try a new direction, Metallica, GnRs, Arch Enemy, Bon Jovi, BON JOVI! The country rock band, it's still Bon Jovi to me.
A change in direction does not make a spin off. How many times has Supernatural become a spin off of itself according to you? Top Gear? Doctor Who the longest and most successful serial of all time? Doctor Who has changed direction multiple times and is not a spin off, Torchwood is a spin off. Are you starting to understand what a spin off is?
Wait, what? How did this ended up being about music and tv series? Now that you are on about music, what about Snoop Dogg? When he changed is style to Reggae, he also changed is name, or didn't he?
Anyway... That has nothing to do with the topic and you are trying to do everything to make your point "GTS is not a spin off" seem true. You are probably the only one here who thinks that it isn't a spin off, even though pretty much everybody tells you it is. Some of those don't even bother anymore.
You really are misusing the term tuning. So to help clarify it for you I'll change the terminology, I already did earlier but this time I'm mentioning it so you pay attention.
I believe the ability to setup your car will be a sfully fetured or even more featured than ever. This is the most important aspect for this game.
The ability to bolt on fake parts and build a fake car will not be in this title. Honestly if you want to do this why are you even looking at GT in the first place? In the past I always considered GT the more appealing between Forza and GT for me because in standard form GT just felt better but it fell down with modifications. If you want to modify cars go to the king of modifying cars, go to Forza. It is a great game, don't worry, there is no need to feel guilty, have you seen Forza Horizon 3? Why are people upset that GT isn't doing this? It isn't realistic, it doesn't fit with the Real Driving Simulator title and Forza have been doing it better for a long time. That just has no place in this title.
How do you know if you don't care for something you haven't tried? It could be the best thing you have ever tried.
No, YOU are. The way I use the word tuning, comprises a bigger world than you seem to be able to think of. Tuning is not just setting up a car for a race. And the tuning will be, in fact, more limited in this iteration of the game than before.
If you want to go that way... why don't you go play something else that meets your requirements? (See how stupid your argument was? Now let's move on.) So, what you are saying is, GTS is better, because it offers less choice? When you played any of the previous titles, you chose not to use tuning, right? Everyone else who wanted to use it had the ability to choose, right? Now, just because it doesn't fill your needs or you don't like it, automatically shouldn't be part of the game? Who in the world are you, to say if something that is beloved by lots of GT fans doesn't have a place in GT?
So out of curiosity, what percentage of people or even better how many people do you think are going to pay full price for GTS to use it the way you described? Why would they choose GT instead of PCARS, AC or Forza which clearly is much better than GT according to what you are looking for in a game? i tell you what as long as they head to the campaign mode like you said the game will be fine because....
First of all, GT is GT. You know, nostalgia, fanbase, etc. Some people will buy it, because it's GT. After they find that this new GT doesn't have some key features from the previous games that they like, they will abandon it, because they don't see all those things that made them play the last GTs for hours. Maybe because they don't like those games, either because they are hard or simply too different from what they are used to. I can't answer for them. But one thing I can answer for them is that no everyone has that much money to waste on a new console, specially when some of them already have a PS4. You know, 300$/€/whatever are hard to earn. It's not like choosing between a pizza or an hamburger.
I've raced with friends, It isn't fun beating them by 5 laps
This says it all, just because you are an hardcore racer, doesn't mean everyone else has to be. You like to have competitive races, good for you. Some people just want to play casually, on a friday night after work, nothing serious, and they shouldn't be obliged to play by your rules. So, yes, a career mode is always needed even if it's just for a percentage of the players to enjoy.
Does none of that sound appealing to you?
Being obliged to play the way others want isn't appealing to anyone. You are just saying to those that like an offline mode, to go screw themselves if they don't want to play the way you want.
You know what is appealing? The ability to choose, and you don't want anyone to have that.
It doesn't need to be super serious in GTS, you can do it your way. The beauty of matchmaking is if you are not the type of guy who likes to practice and test and you just want to jump on find a race and have some fun, the matchmaking system is designed to rate you according to your ability and fairness and put you with other people just like to for a fun fair fight. Some of the guys might be serious but just slow and others are talented but just jumped in for fun with the standard set, both run the same times and have a great battle with 18 other guys all running roughly the same times.
And what about those who don't want to race, and just want get online and do some drag racing, or show off their liveries or drift with random cars? Those are obliged to participate in those matchmaking sessions? When they could just do some quick offline races, to get some money and then buy the car they want? Oh no, for you there's no need for a campaign...
Wait, the slow guys as fast as the talented? How does that work? If one is slow, well, it's slow, if the other is talented, it's supposed to be fast, right? And why do you assume that the casual players are slow? Why not assume that the casual player doesn't have that much money to buy a good wheel, and that with a controler the times are slower? You clearly think you are above others, I see...
You still don't get that GTS also caters for the casual gamer. You still don't get that Kaz doesn't want to compete against other sims, he want to compliment and build. You still don't get that there are a ton of great games that already offer what people are asking for and do it better than GT ever has? You know most days I just want to sit back and watch porn, why can't GT have VR grid girl porn? You don't get that this game doesn't need to be everything to every person, it is an impossible task, it doesn't need to cater to a market that is already crowded, it is pointless and bad business. You don't get that if GT filled their needs they still have the titles that did that, or don't they fill the needs anymore? Perhaps people have moved on and are actually looking for more.
Well, you are crossing the line of ridiculous with that porn analogy...
GT sold a lot because it filled the needs of a lot of people. Period.
It's an impossible task to fulfill the needs of everyone? Yes, but GT kind of did it, since it joined a big community of players that play the game in numerous different ways. Do you get that?
The beauty of GT always was the amount of hours you could spend in it, and do things in one single 70$ game, which otherwise you could only achieve by buying several games.
Or perhaps, people have moved on because it appeared a new alternative (Forza) that gave them almost the same as GT, but without all the problems known with the GT series (Sounds, AI, livery editor, etc). And these are the biggest reasons why people started leaving GT, because the biggest problems weren't being addressed.
Well i don't see how you can't do that in GTS but if you feel for some bizarre reason that GTS does not cater to that then you also have AC and PCARS and Forza and Horizon and if you want there are way more gamey car games out there that also have a big following, it is crazy, I have so many car games that I can think of 3 that I have installed and I have never tried. Man from what I hear GTAV is one of the greatest car games ever made, or is that only on PC with mods? I can't believe I never got GTAV.
The moment you take out the campaign, you are obliging people to play online to earn credits, then to buy their favorite cars, and only then, enjoy the game the way they want. Do you get it now? And this is the problem, the mentality that you are trying to implement here, supposing that without a campaign people will have fun being obliged to play online, without the ability to choose how they play the game.
Either way, I'm done. You don't want to understand that the world doesn't turn around you, and that other people want more than an online focused game. What you are suggesting is not freedom, is diminushing the choices for people to play the game so they play it your way.
Think about all the Motorsports this can add in the future, Motorkhana, Stadium Trucks, Speedway, the potential lies to add any Motorsport you can think of at some point. Some of you just don't want to acknowledge how big this is, and everyone gets to do it their way. I've got guys telling me here I don't get it because they think GTS is forcing a game on them they can't enjoy when it is exactly the opposite, it is liberating from the grind I hate for people like me, it is a game that lets you be casual and play your way. None of this "oh really my only teo options are to grind forever doing something I don't enjoy to see if I enjoy that car which I may not enjoy or pay real money?", that's a game that wasn't casual, it was insane. That was one of the reasons i gave up on the series.
