Kevin Ward

[Tornado]

How would Tony know?

Seriously? There's no way you can be that obtuse on accident.

The giant yellow flashing lights on the crew member's vehicles might help a bit to see something on a poorly lit dirt track even with poor visibility out of the car when compared to a guy wearing the all black racing suit.

The guy was in the middle of the track during a caution and Tony goosed the gas on his car and the kid was hit.

And he was also almost hit by the guy directly in front of him driving the number 45 car. The guy who also admitted that he only barely saw him in time to avoid him, no doubt helped by the fact that the 45 car wasn't the one Ward was going for. But by all means keep acting as if Tony saw him with seconds to spare because the people in the grandstands could.

So again if he wasn't trying to scare the kid why goose the gas when you are approaching a crash?

This has already been explained multiple times by multiple members, so I refer back to Zenith:

How can one learn to write but not how to read?

 

[Zenith]

No they haven't LOL.

Yes they have. Whether you're intelligent enough to realize this is irrelevant.

You don't know what you're talking about. Read what people who do know what they're talking about write so you can stop wasting thread space with your tripe.

 

[niky]

Well then that kinda flies in the face of he goosed the gas to avoid him than, doesn't it? What would of been the point of Tony goosing the gas when coming up on the safety crew?

First off... we have no evidence he was "goosing the gas" more than necessary.

Second off... please go back and re-read the last five pages. On a car with a locked differential, a right rear tire larger than the left rear, and almost no steering control due to the front tires being tiny and having no weight on them... you goose the gas to turn left.

 

[fatkrakr]

This has already been explained multiple times by multiple members, so I refer back to Zenith:

Where? Do you mean the guy who stated you have to goose the gas to make them turn? That just shows how little that guy knows about these cars. They don't turn very well at speed, but when moving slowly the cars will put a riding lawnmower to shame with its turning radius. Its even more dramatic when you turn the car left. As Tony would of if he would of tried to avoid him. When he ran him over Tony still hadn't turned the steering wheel to avoid him.

Yes they have. Whether you're intelligent enough to realize this is irrelevant.

You don't know what you're talking about. Read what people who do know what they're talking about write so you can stop wasting thread space with your tripe.

Ill post what I please thank you. If you don't like it that your problem. There hasn't been anything here that says Im wrong. Sure is a lot to say your excuses for Tony are flimsy at best though.

First off... we have no evidence he was "goosing the gas" more than necessary.

Second off... please go back and re-read the last five pages. On a car with a locked differential, a right rear tire larger than the left rear, and almost no steering control due to the front tires being tiny and having no weight on them... you goose the gas to turn left.

At speed that's true at slow speeds these cars will almost turn over they turn so sharp.

 

[MustangRyan]

Except they where at caution lap speeds. there was no dirt being kicked up in his face.

Were the first 13 laps also run under caution?

 

[fatkrakr]

Were the first 13 laps also run under caution?

 

[mustafur]

No they haven't LOL.

Yes the vision point was raised, then you claim you can see without any proof on the matter.
Im sure you know sprint cars can't turn unless nearly stopped without the power being applied as well.

He was lucky to avoid the 45 the car he wasn't trying to approach(who the driver said himself only saw him with a second to spare, I left a link twice but you ignore that evidence), and the actual car he approached hit him, doesn't sound too far fetched that the guy putting himself in massive danger even for a marshall with High Visability clothing, let alone a racer wearing black.

 

[samurai8juice]

The track was poorly lit, the guy was wearing a black suit late at night, its a dirt track and not pavement, so Tony may not have seen him, or even known where he wrecked on the track. He probably felt a bump underneath his car and was like "oh 🤬".

I think Tony should take the rest of the season off. He may be seen in the public eye(or in the eyes of NASCAR fans) badly if he doesn't do this, so its only smart. It may also affect his racing performance too.

But it did almost seem like Tony gassed it after he hit the kid. But we will never know because they pulled the camera off Tony as the car in front went by Kevin Ward.

 

[mustafur]

I can't see Tony stewart ready to race for a while regardless, something like this would be very disturbing to your mental state.

 

[fatkrakr]

Yes the vision point was raised, then you claim you can see without any proof on the matter.
Im sure you know sprint cars can't turn unless nearly stopped without the power being applied as well.

He was lucky to avoid the 45 the car he wasn't trying to approach(who the driver said himself only saw him with a second to spare, I left a link twice but you ignore that evidence), and the actual car he approached hit him, doesn't sound too far fetched that the guy putting himself in massive danger even for a marshall with High Visability clothing, let alone a racer wearing black.

Im not saying Kevin doesn't hold responsibility for his death. Of course he does, but Tony did nothing to avoid the kid. Watch the video from the time you can see Tony"s front tires till after he runs him over the wheels are straight. Never once do you see where he tried to avoid him. He drove straight at him expecting him to jump out the way. Tony goosing the gas made it so he had no chance to get out of the way.

My statements about him goosing the gas comes from people who where at the race, so if they are lying then this is a different story.

 

[samurai8juice]

Im not saying Kevin doesn't hold responsibility for his death. Of course he does, but Tony did nothing to avoid the kid. Watch the video from the time you can see Tony"s front tires till after he runs him over the wheels are straight. Never once do you see where he tried to avoid him. He drove straight at him expecting him to jump out the way. Tony goosing the gas made it so he had no chance to get out of the way.

My statements about him goosing the gas comes from people who where at the race, so if they are lying then this is a different story.

BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND HE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE HIM, THEREFORE HE WOULDN'T MOVE OUT OF THE WAY.

(sorry for all caps)

 

[Bhowe83]

The track was poorly lit, the guy was wearing a black suit late at night, its a dirt track and not pavement, so Tony may not have seen him, or even known where he wrecked on the track. He probably felt a bump underneath his car and was like "oh 🤬".

I think Tony should take the rest of the season off. He may be seen in the public eye(or in the eyes of NASCAR fans) badly if he doesn't do this, so its only smart. It may also affect his racing performance too.

But it did almost seem like Tony gassed it after he hit the kid. But we will never know because they pulled the camera off Tony as the car in front went by Kevin Ward.

But the police know, as they have the GoPro from Tony's car that night.

Im not saying Kevin doesn't hold responsibility for his death. Of course he does, but Tony did nothing to avoid the kid. Watch the video from the time you can see Tony"s front tires till after he runs him over the wheels are straight. Never once do you see where he tried to avoid him. He drove straight at him expecting him to jump out the way. Tony goosing the gas made it so he had no chance to get out of the way.

My statements about him goosing the gas comes from people who where at the race, so if they are lying then this is a different story.

Bottom line, Sprint Cars do not turn on a dime, especially at low speed. To be able to make sharp turns, they need throttle. If you turn the wheels without any throttle input, it's a bit like hydroplaning. The front wheels just don't make enough traction by themselves to turn the car.

 

[fatkrakr]

No I don't understand he couldn't see him. I have stated that repeatedly. You could see Kevin all the way across the track so it wasn't a lighting issue. Kevin was in front of Tony"s car, not running up beside it like Kevin did with the 45 car. Someone posted a video that you all can clearly see that everything in front of you is very visible. So how does he not see him? Again I don't think it was done on purpose, but Tony holds some responsibility for Kevin"s death. He did nothing to avoid the kid.

But the police know, as they have the GoPro from Tony's car that night.


Bottom line, Sprint Cars do not turn on a dime, especially at low speed. To be able to make sharp turns, they need throttle. If you turn the wheels without any throttle input, it's a bit like hydroplaning. The front wheels just don't make enough traction by themselves to turn the car.

I load a sprint car on a trailer almost every weekend for a family member and haul it to the track for him. I don't stay very often, but have loaded and driven it hundreds of times. If you say they wont turn at slow speed you are clueless.

 

[Organ-Donor]

I read this article on a driver Paul Kinney who was driving in the race, and there's a part stating he saw him clear as day. Obviously just because he saw him doesn't mean Tony did, or anyone else for that matter. Just putting this out there.

 

[King_Fatts]

But the police know, as they have the GoPro from Tony's car that night.

Everyone keeps saying this, Today The Sheriff of Ontario County said they do not have a video from Tony's car.

It was broadcast live during Nascar Race Hub today.

 

[Bhowe83]

No I don't understand he couldn't see him. I have stated that repeatedly. You could see Kevin all the way across the track so it wasn't a lighting issue. Kevin was in front of Tony"s car, not running up beside it like Kevin did with the 45 car. Someone posted a video that you all can clearly see that everything in front of you is very visible. So how does he not see him? Again I don't think it was done on purpose, but Tony holds some responsibility for Kevin"s death. He did nothing to avoid the kid.

Because him and Tony never made contact. These cars don't have mirrors, they don't have spotters, and when a caution comes out at a half mile track, you're still at speed when you get back to turn one. Tony probably never had a clue he wrecked, and was probably focused on getting in the pacing line.

You can clearly see Kevin because the person filming is focused on him. The filmer is watching him get out of his car, walk back down, and nearly get hit by the car in front of Tony.

Tony is also probably caked in mud and dirt, and that affects his vision, which is already limited by the headrest and the rest of the car.

Just look at the limited view you have even from on top of the camera in daylight here. That big wing to the right basically gives you a tiny slit of view into the outside world, plus with Stewart's NASCAR grade seat and head rest system, turning your head isn't possible. Plus in the event of a caution, you're looking for a wrecked racecar, and you're assuming that the driver is somewhere near that car. He had left the car and was 20-30 feet away from it when Stewart got there.


Also there is this from the guy in front of Stewart if you don't want to believe me

 

[fatkrakr]

Because him and Tony never made contact. These cars don't have mirrors, they don't have spotters, and when a caution comes out at a half mile track, you're still at speed when you get back to turn one. Tony probably never had a clue he wrecked, and was probably focused on getting in the pacing line.

You can clearly see Kevin because the person filming is focused on him. The filmer is watching him get out of his car, walk back down, and nearly get hit by the car in front of Tony.

Tony is also probably caked in mud and dirt, and that affects his vision, which is already limited by the headrest and the rest of the car.

Just look at the limited view you have even from on top of the camera in daylight here. That big wing to the right basically gives you a tiny slit of view into the outside world, plus with Stewart's NASCAR grade seat and head rest system, turning your head isn't possible. Plus in the event of a caution, you're looking for a wrecked racecar, and you're assuming that the driver is somewhere near that car. He had left the car and was 20-30 feet away from it when Stewart got there.


Also there is this from the guy in front of Stewart if you don't want to believe me

Of course you cant see nothing in that pic, its on the roll bar a foot or so higher than the driver is. Drop that camera down to the drivers eye and you can see just fine out of the front, which is where Kevin was when Tony hit him.

Edit: Bye the way did any of you notice how none of those cars are having an issue making turns at low speeds? No goosing the gas to turn the car no sliding of the tires across the track.

 

[Blitz24]

Where is your proof that Kevin was right in front of Stewart's car? If he was directly in front of his car or ran in front of his car then Ward is ridiculously stupid.

 

[niky]

Let's take a moment to cogitate on the fact that the driver right in front of Tony himself said he didn't see Kevin until he was almost on top of him. And that the swerving of his car was sure to have distracted Stewart right before he hit Kevin.

It has been reposted here so many times, it ought to be stickied. In the time it took me to write this, it has apparently been posted again.

 

[Blitz24]

Let's take a moment to cogitate on the fact that the driver right in front of Tony himself said he didn't see Kevin until he was almost on top of him. And that the swerving of his car was sure to have distracted Stewart right before he hit Kevin.

I don't even understand how someone can make the claim that Stewart directly saw Ward because Ward was directly in front of him. Maybe if the term "directly in front" is used in the sense that he is in front of some part (but not the front of the car).

 

[fatkrakr]

Let's take a moment to cogitate on the fact that the driver right in front of Tony himself said he didn't see Kevin until he was almost on top of him. And that the swerving of his car was sure to have distracted Stewart right before he hit Kevin.

While you all just flat out ignore the fact that he ran up to the side of the 45 while he was in front of Tony"s car. All these videos show is that there is no way Tony couldn't see Kevin.

I don't even understand how someone can make the claim that Stewart directly saw Ward because Ward was directly in front of him. Maybe if the term "directly in front" is used in the sense that he is in front of some part (but not the front of the car).

What you just going to ignore the video because it doesn't support your case? Kevin was in front of Tony.

 

[Blitz24]

What you just going to ignore the video because it doesn't support your case? Kevin was in front of Tony.

You can tell where Ward is in relation to Stewart based on a video that is focused on Ward and doesn't have Stewart in it until Ward is hit by Stewart?

 

[Furinkazen]

Let's take a moment to cogitate on the fact that the driver right in front of Tony himself said he didn't see Kevin until he was almost on top of him. And that the swerving of his car was sure to have distracted Stewart right before he hit Kevin.

It has been reposted here so many times, it ought to be stickied. In the time it took me to write this, it has apparently been posted again.

Niky, might be wrong here, but on a racetrack when a car swerves suddenly to avoid something you react to the car in front, and don't give a damn what it is you are avoiding. If it's a bit of bodywork, a loost wheel, a whole wreck, or a person - if someone has a sudden unexpected change of path you follow as they are going for a gap.

 

[fatkrakr]

Look I would call it a complete accident except for one thing and that is according to witnesses Tony goosed the gas. There was only one reason for Tony to do that. Combined with the fact Tony"s tires never once moved from being straight.

 

[Bhowe83]

Niky, might be wrong here, but on a racetrack when a car swerves suddenly to avoid something you react to the car in front, and don't give a damn what it is you are avoiding. If it's a bit of bodywork, a loost wheel, a whole wreck, or a person - if someone has a sudden unexpected change of path you follow as they are going for a gap.

It looks like Tony did try to follow, and let's not forgot that this was not a stationary piece of bodywork, a loost wheel, a whole wreck, or a person - it was a moving person who was running around. Kevin was not in the same spot when Tony got there as opposed to when the 45 got there.

 

[Imari]

No I don't understand he couldn't see him. I have stated that repeatedly. You could see Kevin all the way across the track so it wasn't a lighting issue. Kevin was in front of Tony"s car, not running up beside it like Kevin did with the 45 car. Someone posted a video that you all can clearly see that everything in front of you is very visible. So how does he not see him? Again I don't think it was done on purpose, but Tony holds some responsibility for Kevin"s death. He did nothing to avoid the kid.

Do you think it would be easier to see someone in a black firesuit if they were against a lit, light brown background, or if they were against a shadowy grandstand or the sky?

It's not just about the lighting. That he was clearly visible from the grandstand doesn't mean that he was clearly visible to someone on the ground, in a car.

 

[Furinkazen]

It looks like Tony did try to follow, and let's not forgot that this was not a stationary piece of bodywork, a loost wheel, a whole wreck, or a person - it was a moving person who was running around. Kevin was not in the same spot when Tony got there as opposed to when the 45 got there.

Exactly and @niky alluded to, you can't see that. Some people in this thread can't grasp that however.

 

[King_Fatts]

There was only one reason for Tony to do that. Combined with the fact Tony"s tires never once moved from being straight.

Your right.

please go back and re-read the last five pages. On a car with a locked differential, a right rear tire larger than the left rear, and almost no steering control due to the front tires being tiny and having no weight on them... you goose the gas to turn left.

 

[Tornado]

While you all just flat out ignore the fact that he ran up to the side of the 45 while he was in front of Tony"s car.

You know, a couple seconds before he made it to the side of the 45... Ward was standing directly in front of it. Since that's how a track which is a circle works. And he still didn't see him then. So how is Tony going to see the guy with a car in the way?


For that matter, unless you're saying Tony has ESP to know that he even wrecked a guy, this guy on the track was the guy he wrecked, and that he could see Ward when the 45 car was between him and Tony, how did Tony put together this grand plan to scare this guy in all of two seconds?

All these videos show is that there is no way Tony couldn't see Kevin.

These videos show where Tony was facing, the inside conditions of his car, how obstructed his vision was in terms of helmet cleanliness and head movement, and which direction his car was pointing in relation to where Ward was standing?


Because I was pretty sure the videos were all filmed from high up and taken from a grand stand. Following that logic, why do NASCAR races proper even have spotters if the drivers can apparently see everything that the people in the grandstands can?

There was only one reason for Tony to do that.

Oh, you mean to try to quickly juke the car to the left, as explained in detail by several members several times? Glad we got that settled.

👍

 

[fatkrakr]

Kevin ran out in the middle of the track to make SURE Tony seen him so he could let Tony know how he felt. He didn't pop up out of nowhere. You telling me Tony was clueless as to what was going on on the track? He didn't see the incident in front of him with the 45 car? He was oblivious to everything except for 3 feet in front of his car? Come on...