Kevin Ward

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If Ward ran directly in front of Stewart, meaning directly in front of his car, then that has to be the most foolish and brain-dead thing any person can do. Running in front of a moving car, DIRECTLY in front of a moving car and giving almost no time to avoid.
 
You know, a couple seconds before he made it to the side of the 45... Ward was standing directly in front of it. Since that's how a track which is a circle works. And he still didn't see him then.


For that matter, unless you're saying Tony has ESP to know that he even wrecked a guy, this guy on the track was the guy he wrecked, and that he could see Ward when the 45 car was between him and Tony, how did Tony put together this grand plan to scare this guy in all of two seconds?


These videos show where Tony was facing, the inside conditions of his car, how obstructed his vision was in terms of helmet cleanliness and head movement, and which direction his car was pointing in relation to where Ward was standing?


Because I was pretty sure the videos were all filmed from high up and taken from a grand stand. Following that logic, why do NASCAR races proper even have spotters if the drivers can apparently see everything that the people in the grandstands can?


Oh, you mean to try to quickly juke the car to the left, as explained in detail by several members several times? Glad we got that settled.

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Tony was a good 50 feet behind the 45 car, probably even more than that. They weren't bumper to bumper. As far as having to goose the gas that's straight bull 🤬. You don't need to goose the gas to make them turn at low speeds. That is coming from people who have no clue how these cars work in real life. :rolleyes:
 
do you have a credible source for that? I've heard on TV for years the exact opposite. Now, I know what the TV says isn't always true, but I've heard it in different countries/languages...

Can't find the exact averages on Google, but this article goes some way (in Section 3) as to show that the eye is better in overall dynamic range than a camera (before any post-processing, naturally). And this explains that phenomenon in a bit more detail, starting at the 7th paragraph.

A video is just a series of a camera images assembled in order at a certain frame rate, with each frame put together with shutter speed. There's typically a bit of lossiness with producing many images at a non-choppy frame rate (producing a less-than-sharp image) versus many sharp images due to a faster shutter speed (which produces a choppy video in most conditions and preferences), less so with very professional cameras on the higher-quality side of the spectrum and smartphone cameras on the other end.
 
Tony was a good 50 feet behind the 45 car, probably even more than that.
And a white car that you're racing with is probably a good few times more visible than a person in black standing where no one should ever be. 50 ft on a track isn't a lot of room to react.
 
Kevin ran out in the middle of the track to make SURE Tony seen him so he could let Tony know how he felt. He didn't pop up out of nowhere. You telling me Tony was clueless as to what was going on on the track? He didn't see the incident in front of him with the 45 car? He was oblivious to everything except for 3 feet in front of his car? Come on...
Look bud, I have no other way to explain it to you, but you just don't go that low. There is no reason to be at the bottom groove of the track to voice displeasure at a driver.

By that logic, if I see a guy driving wrecklessly down the road, I should stand on the shoulder of the road to shake my fist
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What you just going to ignore the video because it doesn't support your case? Kevin was in front of Tony.

If Kevin was right in front of Tony, how is Tony not supposed to hit him?

Kevin runs across the track, changing direction and speed multiple times, and finally puts himself in a position where even when both parties take evasive action, he gets taken out.

And that's after coming out from behind the blue car for a mere two to three seconds before Tony gets there. Even the camera person gets confused, following the blue car because it looks like 45 has hit Kevin.


Like I said, this was a deadly game of "Guess which way I'm going." And guess who lost.

If you'd rather not go back and read what I wrote about how vision works, perhaps you'd like to read something by a racing instructor:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/08/trackday-diaries-the-vision-thing/


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Are you ready to freak out? Hold on: things can be right in front of you, and if you haven’t “saccaded” your fovea in their direction during the last few milliseconds, you can’t see the 🤬 things. You won’t see them. They won’t exist. How many accidents, particularly involving motorcycles — those fast-moving, fovea-resistant items — start out with the driver who “doesn’t see” the bike? They aren’t lying. They literally don’t see it.

Kevin ran out in the middle of the track to make SURE Tony seen him so he could let Tony know how he felt. He didn't pop up out of nowhere. You telling me Tony was clueless as to what was going on on the track? He didn't see the incident in front of him with the 45 car? He was oblivious to everything except for 3 feet in front of his car? Come on...

You're telling me number 45 didn't see the guy running right across the front of his car, dodging other cars after he got out of his own, and was clueless to what was going on on track?

I guess number 45 has something to hide, too, right?
 
Tony was a good 50 feet behind the 45 car, probably even more than that. They weren't bumper to bumper. As far as having to goose the gas that's straight bull 🤬. You don't need to goose the gas to make them turn at low speeds. That is coming from people who have no clue how these cars work in real life. :rolleyes:

Ever driven in mud? Gravel? Or...pavement?

Trying braking upon all three surfaces at 60 miles an hour and tell us the results.
 
Kevin ran out in the middle of the track to make SURE Tony seen him so he could let Tony know how he felt. He didn't pop up out of nowhere. You telling me Tony was clueless as to what was going on on the track? He didn't see the incident in front of him with the 45 car? He was oblivious to everything except for 3 feet in front of his car? Come on...
I'm looking at the video right now. He was standing in the middle of the track long before the 45 car even got there. He was standing in the middle of the track for almost the same amount of time as he was after the 45 passed and Tony hit him. He was standing in the middle of a track which is a big circle, meaning he was directly in front of the 45 car before it got there.


And the 45 car still didn't see him. So how would Tony see him any better?


Tony was a good 50 feet behind the 45 car, probably even more than that. They weren't bumper to bumper.
So now you're saying that Tony saw the crashed car. Tony saw the driver immediately even though the other guy didn't and the other guy was still in the way. Tony linked the driver to the crashed car. Tony linked the crashed car and the angry driver to Tony crashing it the lap prior, despite having absolutely no way of seeing the crash until then. Then came up with a plan to scare the guy for being so brazen.



In the span of his car traveling "50 feet" in two seconds?

As far as having to goose the gas that's straight bull 🤬. You don't need to goose the gas to make them turn at low speeds. That is coming from people who have no clue how these cars work in real life. :rolleyes:
Enlighten us, then. I'm sure the automotive journalist is just talking out of his ass compared to the guy who not only doesn't understand the concept of what higher ground does for visibility, but also a can't grasp spacial relationships between objects as it relates to reaction times, but it might actually be worth a read anyway.
 
Look bud, I have no other way to explain it to you, but you just don't go that low. There is no reason to be at the bottom groove of the track to voice displeasure at a driver.

By that logic, if I see a guy driving wrecklessly down the road, I should stand on the shoulder of the road to shake my fist
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Look Bud I said many times Kevin was dumb for being on track. No arguments from me on that, but he was and Tony knew he was and goosed the gas to scare him. That makes Tony liable as well. He could of easily drove to the bottom of the track, but instead decided to be a wise guy and it cost the kid his life.

Ever driven in mud? Gravel? Or...pavement?

Trying braking upon all three surfaces at 60 miles an hour and tell us the results.
But Tony didn't brake, swerve or anything. He kept driving straight at him.
 
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Kevin ran out in the middle of the track to make SURE Tony seen him so he could let Tony know how he felt. He didn't pop up out of nowhere. You telling me Tony was clueless as to what was going on on the track? He didn't see the incident in front of him with the 45 car? He was oblivious to everything except for 3 feet in front of his car? Come on...

So your saying he's directly in front of Tony's car? If he was, why did Kevin's corpse end up at the top of the track? It looks like Tony clipped him on one of his right side tires. Which means Kevin ran into it at the last second, or Tony went up by mistake(or on purpose like some people think).

edit: this has turned into everyone vs fatkrakr.
 
So your saying he's directly in front of Tony's car? If he was, why did Kevin's corpse end up at the top of the track? It looks like Tony clipped him on one of his right side tires. Which means Kevin ran into it at the last second, or Tony steered up by mistake(or on purpose like some people think).

Tony's right rear clipped him and shot him up the track. People that where there said he was under the tire and it shot him up to the fence.

For real fatkrakr has double posted atleast 3 times . Edit your post.
 
Look Bud I said many times Kevin was dumb for being on track. No arguments from me on that, but he was and Tony knew he was and goosed the gas to scare him. That makes Tony liable as well. He could of easily drove to the bottom of the track, but instead decided to be a wise guy and it cost the kid his life.
Oh, so you've talked to Tony and without a shadow of a doubt, you are 100% sure, hand on the Bible, ready to testify in court that Tony goosed the gas to scare a person he had just seen a split second prior? Amazing that you've gathered this all from the hearsay of people who were at the track. Why did we waste these past 48 hours analyzing anything we could find on this incident, when you knew from the beginning?

Because it damn sure looked to me like Tony was trying as hard as he could to get the car turned to the left, but to no avail.

But what do I know, it's not like I've ever parked a car and unloaded it off of a trailer for a buddy before.
 
I'm looking at the video right now. He was standing in the middle of the track long before the 45 car even got there. He was standing in the middle of the track for almost the same amount of time as he was after the 45 passed and Tony hit him. He was standing in the middle of a track which is a big circle, meaning he was directly in front of the 45 car before it got there.


And the 45 car still didn't see him. So how would Tony see him any better?



So now you're saying that Tony saw the crashed car. Tony saw the driver immediately even though the other guy didn't and the other guy was still in the way. Tony linked the driver to the crashed car. Tony linked the crashed car and the angry driver to Tony crashing it the lap prior, despite having absolutely no way of seeing the crash until then. Then came up with a plan to scare the guy for being so brazen.



In the span of his car traveling "50 feet" in two seconds?


Enlighten us, then. I'm sure the automotive journalist is just talking out of his ass compared to the guy who not only doesn't understand the concept of what higher ground does for visibility, but also a can't grasp spacial relationships between objects as it relates to reaction times, but it might actually be worth a read anyway.
Watch the last video that was posted. Do you see them cars struggling to turn at low speeds? Do you see them sliding the front tires because they wont turn at low speed? NO? Didn't think so. Like I said I have been behind the wheel of one several times. Anyone who says any different is talking out their rear ends.
 
Tony's right rear clipped him and shot him up the track. People that where there said he was under the tire and it shot him up to the fence.

For real fatkrakr has double posted atleast 3 times . Edit your post.

Double posted? I saw him triple or quadruple post 2 or 3 times!
 
I honestly want to see proof that the person making these statements has in fact been behind the wheel of a sprint car.
 
But Tony didn't brake, swerve or anything. He kept driving straight at him.

...and why didn't he brake? Go up three posts and think about. Or take some of those GT license tests again.

Or might you possibly not understand anything to do with basic automotive physics? If so, this is not your arena.
 
Tony's right rear clipped him and shot him up the track. People that where there said he was under the tire and it shot him up to the fence.

For real fatkrakr has double posted atleast 3 times . Edit your post.
Yes, after analyzing the video Kevin was struck with the RR. Doesn't look like he was ever under the car, but he was body slammed by the tire and that alone threw him across the track.
I honestly want to see proof that the person making these statements has in fact been behind the wheel of a sprint car.
I honestly want to see proof that he has in fact been behind the wheel of any motorized vehicle
 
Oh, so you've talked to Tony and without a shadow of a doubt, you are 100% sure, hand on the Bible, ready to testify in court that Tony goosed the gas to scare a person he had just seen a split second prior? Amazing that you've gathered this all from the hearsay of people who were at the track. Why did we waste these past 48 hours analyzing anything we could find on this incident, when you knew from the beginning?

Because it damn sure looked to me like Tony was trying as hard as he could to get the car turned to the left, but to no avail.

But what do I know, it's not like I've ever parked a car and unloaded it off of a trailer for a buddy before.
Nope not 100% just like none of you are. I don't know why you didn't ask me first would of saved a ton of time though. :sly:

Where did you see Tony trying to avoid him? I didn't, wheels weren't turned, tires weren't locked up. The only thing he did was goose the gas.

Not sure what you know. It appears to be not much though.
 
But what do I know, it's not like I've ever parked a car and unloaded it off of a trailer for a buddy before.

This literatley made my day

Double posted? I saw him triple or quadruple post 2 or 3 times!

Glad someone else seen that. I guess because I'm new and just read all the rules when I joined I'm abit of a stickler. But Geez, Theres even mods posting in here and he's getting away with triple posting absolute nonsense. No offence to the Mods.
 


Around 40 seconds in, the two cars are going slow around the turn, and
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whats that? it sounds like they're both throttling the cars to go around the turn slowly

This video is great. you tell me how you cant see someone on the track? I can see everything on the track.

This literatley made my day



Glad someone else seen that. I guess because I'm new and just read all the rules when I joined I'm abit of a stickler. But Geez, Theres even mods posting in here and he's getting away with triple posting absolute nonsense. No offence to the Mods.
I can barely respond before someone else post there comments.
 
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Oh of course, because it doesn't fit into your theory that Stewart saw Ward directly in front of him and then chose to hit him because he had no choice or because he wanted to hit him. And absolutely nobody on this site could possibly know any better than you because they have "no experience" with these cars so anything they post is meaningless and can be ignored.

I was not aware that people could have differing opinions.

Warning points anyone?
Not how to direct this. Report the post, don't do that in order to "ask for a warning".
 
Nope not 100% just like none of you are. I don't know why you didn't ask me first would of saved a ton of time though. :sly:

Where did you see Tony trying to avoid him? I didn't, wheels weren't turned, tires weren't locked up. The only thing he did was goose the gas.

Not sure what you know. It appears to be not much though.
I guess you're just going to ignore that Tony had his car pointed far more to the left than the 45 car who had just barely missed him. I don't know what other proof you need.

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Oh of course, because it doesn't fit into your theory that Stewart saw Ward directly in front of him and then chose to hit him because he had no choice or because he wanted to hit him. And absolutely nobody on this site could possibly know any better than you because they have "no experience" with these cars so anything they post is meaningless and can be ignored.

I was not aware that people could have differing opinions.
This is the internet after all, either you agree with me or you're wrong is the mentality most people have
 
Oh of course, because it doesn't fit into your theory that Stewart saw Ward directly in front of him and then chose to hit him because he had no choice or because he wanted to hit him. And absolutely nobody on this site could possibly know any better than you because they have "no experience" with these cars so anything they post is meaningless and can be ignored.

I was not aware that people could have differing opinions.
Why don't you go back and read my first post. I said I believe this is what happened. Just my opinion like the rest of yours. Mine just happens to not be the same as yours.

I guess you're just going to ignore that Tony had his car pointed far more to the left than the 45 car who had just barely missed him. I don't know what other proof you need.

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It may be slightly more, but that is even pushing it.



Warning points anyone?

Why, because I ignored YOU. :lol:
 
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