Will you be updating to 2.12?

[SultanOfSwing]

Just updated, so many regrets.

I painted a bunch of cars though, so at least I have that.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Just updated, so many regrets.

I painted a bunch of cars though, so at least I have that.

Yep. I am happy with that too.

Been adding my favorite paints (a load of them too). I'm loving charcoal metallic paint. Looks really good on rims

 

[Bluntified]

Hummmm i fail to see your logic. Probably one of the most ludicrous things I have heard on this Site

So now you are saying that because some people mod that everyone will get banned? No just no.

Also how has this last update messed GT5 up? The updates for this game over the last two years have fixed some people's game and ruined it at the same time. For example, remember the loading loop problem people had? Some people had that problem and some didn't. It is a hit or miss thing with PD.


For two years I have seen me and other people (on GTP and PSN) complain about how the updates have made their system load slower, and give them other problems too. At the same time these same updates fixed the people with these same problem after the update.
So your saying we caused the problem because of the update is 100% invalid/inaccurate/ludicrous. So don't even try giving me that nonsense.

Blame the right people for your slow menu loading times. I or anyone are responsible for your problems with your system. That's PD's problem blame them.

I don't have loading problems after the update. It is actually faster. So once again proves my point.

I firmly believe that it isn't the patches that screw people, it's their own systems. I have a first gen slim (120g) and have never experienced slow loading or anything of that nature. I have only 2 users living on it and keep the system very clean, no junk/duplicates. Many users have way too many user accounts living, movies, and all kinds of junk that slows things down. With that said, I think it's the user not the patches.

Side note, Just seen a RWD Evo in a public lobby........

I watched it in "watch race" mode.

Either new hacks have come up or they haven't patched properly.

 

[Lock2Lock]

I firmly believe that it isn't the patches that screw people, it's their own systems. I have a first gen slim (120g) and have never experienced slow loading or anything of that nature. I have only 2 users living on it and keep the system very clean, no junk/duplicates. Many users have way too many user accounts living, movies, and all kinds of junk that slows things down. With that said, I think it's the user not the patches.

Side note, Just seen a RWD Evo in a public lobby........

I watched it in "watch race" mode.

Either new hacks have come up or they haven't patched properly.

Yep. It depends on the system and what they have on it, plus many other things.

Like i have said I have seen this way before hybriding. So for him to blame it on hybriding was completely ludicrous. That's all I was getting at. Some people just need to take a look in the mirror before they try to put blame where it doesn't belong.

 

[Zuel]

Hummmm i fail to see your logic. Probably one of the most ludicrous things I have heard on this Site

So now you are saying that because some people mod that everyone will get banned? No just no.

Also how has this last update messed GT5 up? The updates for this game over the last two years have fixed some people's game and ruined it at the same time. For example, remember the loading loop problem people had? Some people had that problem and some didn't. It is a hit or miss thing with PD.


For two years I have seen me and other people (on GTP and PSN) complain about how the updates have made their system load slower, and give them other problems too. At the same time these same updates fixed the people with these same problem after the update.
So your saying we caused the problem because of the update is 100% invalid/inaccurate/ludicrous. So don't even try giving me that nonsense.

Blame the right people for your slow menu loading times. I or anyone are responsible for your problems with your system. That's PD's problem blame them.

I don't have loading problems after the update. It is actually faster. So once again proves my point.

I’m sorry if I didn’t get my point across correctly, this whole matter has gotten out of hand and it will continue until it get taken care of. The way I went about it the first hand was in correct and UN thoughtful. You stated your friend or guy has found a way around the 2.12 update that will allow him to still modify the saved data to allow them to make changes correct? Now the first hack that some of you claim that was SO harmless to the game data to allow you to make changes for real world result after the fad of the 1,000,000 car went away. Thus after some time it has caused some not all to use these cars in the on-line events and in the on-line lobbies for awhile then to private lobbies. Once PD saw what has been transpiercing in the on-line and in the on-line lobbies. “Please don’t think they don’t still monitor the on-line lobbies” They took actions against the people whom have done these actions which is result produced the 2.12 update which turn removed just a part of the hacked data correct. People are still able to use the super softs, larger turbo and so on correct?

Now if your friend is doing this to resolve the matter then go for it, let Sony and PD knows what they need to fix so this doesn’t happen again, though if your friend is doing this to achieve the same with the hacked cars in GT5. Is it because information was leaked due to someone hacking the game and finding all the other items thinking to them self “I PAID for this why I can’t use it?” What will gain from this? 1. People will still be able to build whatever they want as long they don’t update. Now what if there is something released that some if not all of you have been waiting for? 2. What if there is a new option that should have been added some time ago just added in? 3. Could there be a possibility to carry over your career along with cars to the next title? “Note the only way to do so is to have the current update”

I could go on about the pro’s and con’s and give you different theories but I’m not because it will be pointless if you continue to think you or anyone has the right to re-write a copy righted product. I would like to look up the meaning of that state but I won’t bother. In the long run these actions will only cause more updates and more problems down the road. I don’t understand how people can be so naive on such matters. Some of you have kept up with the history of GT5 and know what has gone on since its release and some of you haven’t. Once the point of making a worse matter even worse, so you can get your kicks? Or your thrust for real world or both, either or. In the long run all this is going to do is make things harder in one fashion or another. I know it’s a game but use some common since.

F.Y.I

Do you all remember the $10 price increase for the PS3 not long ago? Do you remember what had happened before that $10 price increase? The hacking of the Sony servers which in turn down them for some time. Now that the PS3 has been cracked and the GT5 game data or any PS3 game data has been hacked. What will happen?, prices go up 🤬 again. Or even maybe we may have to pay full price for server usage. Sony has a good thing going and there is no reason to go :censored:it up..

Addition.
The update has slowed down GT5 for some not all, which I was getting at.

 

[Bluntified]

Yep. It depends on the system and what they have on it, plus many other things.

Like i have said I have seen this way before hybriding. So for him to blame it on hybriding was completely ludicrous. That's all I was getting at. Some people just need to take a look in the mirror before they try to put blame where it doesn't belong.

I get you, It's just that some people need to blame someone/something for blame sake (patches).

 

[1241Penguin]

F.Y.I

Do you all remember the $10 price increase for the PS3 not long ago? Do you remember what had happened before that $10 price increase? The hacking of the Sony servers which in turn down them for some time. Now that the PS3 has been cracked and the GT5 game data or any PS3 game data has been hacked. What will happen?, prices go up 🤬 again. Or even maybe we may have to pay full price for server usage. Sony has a good thing going and there is no reason to go :censored:it up..

The difference is that a hacked PS3 or PSN is Sony's problem, while a hacked GT5 is PD's problem. To solve the latter, I can't imagine Sony having much involvement, if any.

 

[Nfsdrifter2001]

I have nothing happened

 

[Lock2Lock]

Said...

Well first bro. You are talking to the wrong person. I am not even the one who said that. It was actually this person

Got word last night that my guy has figured out how to mod cars on 2.12. I haven't received details yet, but I'm sure they'll surface soon 👍

....
You quoted me instead. Don't know why, but you did.


Anyway, do you know how many people are actually trying to bypass the patch as we speak. More than that one guy. I mean yeah sure we can go on and on sure. It doesn't escape the fact that it will be cracked eventually. If not by him it will be someone else. It is just a matter of time.

Honestly I am not worried about it. I am spending maybe a hour here and there trying to see if i can figure it out myself. Even if i do crack it will I join online race lobbies, TT, and DT? No. As of have stated before i don't have any interests in cheating someone out of a win (WHEN IN FACT YOU CAN'T CHEAT THE PP SYSTEM). So the fact about cheating is irrelevant.


Also I am almost absolutely positive that the hacking had nothing to do with a price increase on Sony PS3. Just to make sure you know that Sony is actually who turned off the PSN not the hackers. The initial hack was about a week before the shutdown.

Also like 1241Penguin said....

The difference is that a hacked PS3 or PSN is Sony's problem, while a hacked GT5 is PD's problem. To solve the latter, I can't imagine Sony having much involvement, if any.

This is not Sony's issue. Even though Sony owns PD basically, this is PD'S problem


Also to answer your question. I am also trying to bypass the patch. What I am trying to do is just do engine swaps. I do not care about unrealistic cars that go into the negative range of the PP value. I do not even care about chassis swaps. Soon as I do figure it out a 2JZ is waiting to be put back into my 300zx drift car

 

[jimipitbull]

This is why we cant have nice things. Selfish hackers will ruin the game for everyone.

 

[frenzal]

No, we can't have nice things because PD haven't put anywhere near the resources into better and more frequent DLC offerings which they either promised or inferred. Some of us had nice things but hysterical and personal attacks and whinges eventually led to a half-arsed window-dressing of a solution which didn't really address the heart of the 'minor issue fix' anyway.

Yes, there were a number of idiots using insane HP creations to create havoc in some online rooms, the fad which soon died in the arse. There have always been the same idiots who get their rocks off disrupting the online rooms of others, they didn't just appear when the hybrids did. There were just as many players quietly enjoying creations to run events or simply cruise for quiet enjoyment without any impact whatsoever on other players directly. PD have shown no interest in making available for the enjoyment of their paying customers and car fans even some of those options which were tucked away and were used to create these hybrids/modded vehicles.

There were the hypocrites who jumped on a moral bandwagon who would have had other players of the game hung, drawn and quartered for witchery had they had their way. I wonder how many of those who were so willing to ridicule and attack others for breaking ToS or cheating have stolen a pen or a colleague's can of drink at work, have driven over the speed limit, have played up on their partner ( I could go on but I'm sure you get the drift - no pun intended) or commited some other morally reprehensible or illegal act.

How many of these same players have taken advantage of well known in-game glitches such as Top Gear track, snow TT's with the shortcut, cutting through chicanes at Monza or La Sarthe and so on, which go against the spirit of fair racing. I wonder how many of these quietly glitch borrowed creations from others on their friends lists yet continued to ride the coat tails of the moral PD avengers.

I'm sick of these self-appointed and self-opinionated moral guardians of GT5's so called integrity continually spewing their righteous indignation even though they have supposedly won a battle which only they seemed to be fighting. I haven't seen ridicule directed at those who chose not to use hybrids, a courtesy which wasn't forthcoming in the reverse.

End of rant!

 

[Vagabond]

Well ranted frenzal. 👍

Errm... one question... Aren't PS3s cheaper than they've ever been?

Patches... hmmm. Patches are not the fault of people who hack game data, they're a product of game-developers being able to update their game over the internet. Prior to this, games had to be either perfect straight out of the box () or we had to live with whatever glitches were present in the release. Hackers could do whatever they wanted behind closed doors without affecting anyone else and if you wanted multiplayer it was either split screen or you pack up your kit and take it round to your mates house to set up a LAN.

So the internet is to blame then. Damned modern convenience giving people options they never had before...

Or is it the by-product of sentience? Give us a stick, we eventually want a bigger stick, then a pointy stick, then a stone tip on it, then a metal stick....

 

[Fulch]

👍👍

This is why we cant have nice things. Selfish hackers will ruin the game for everyone.

+1

 

[Vagabond]

👍👍

+1

You and jimipitbull (auspicious username) are fast becoming trolls. You're not adding anything valid - a quick post to further pedal your tiresome and misplaced morality is childish, can you not see that?

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8408254#post8408254

 

[jimipitbull]

You and jimipitbull (auspicious username) are fast becoming trolls. You're not adding anything valid - a quick post to further pedal your tiresome and misplaced morality is childish, can you not see that?

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8408254#post8408254

Voicing an opinion is not a troll.

Hybrids are effectively trolling PD's Terms of Service. It seems you support this?

 

[Vagabond]

Voicing an opinion is not a troll.

Besides, hybrids are effectively trolling PD's Terms of Service. It seems you support this?

That depends entirely on how that opinion is presented. Did you read my post...? The long one I linked to...? I think it fairly explains where I stand on the relevant issues so I'm not going to repeat myself.

This is why we cant have nice things. Selfish hackers will ruin the game for everyone.

This is a troll post. It says nothing of any worth and is merely bait to anyone who has an opinion opposed to yours. It takes a wider issue and condenses it without room for debate. Some people running ridiculous hybrids online was a problem, PD took steps to combat that problem.... this does not encompass the whole 'issue' about hybrids and the people who have other motives for running them... and who also do it in their own time and space. You already know this which makes your continued asides nothing more than flame-bait.

 

[alonsof1fan91]

Honestly I am not worried about it. I am spending maybe a hour here and there trying to see if i can figure it out myself. Even if i do crack it will I join online race lobbies, TT, and DT? No. As of have stated before i don't have any interests in cheating someone out of a win (WHEN IN FACT YOU CAN'T CHEAT THE PP SYSTEM). So the fact about cheating is irrelevant.

Its a fact for you, not for me.

Maybe you are not using hybrids in TT or DT, but other people will.

You say you can`t cheat PP. You don`t understand how GT5 online works.
I start 490PP race lobby, no tire restrictions. I can only use the tools the game gives me to tune the cars the game gives me.
A modder has access to more tools, as access to more cars -cars he created by himself- and super softs.
How is that not cheating? Even if I restrict tires, I will be on disadvantage. Even if PD patches lobby setups, so I can set PP/HP/weight at the same time, the modder can still optimize his cars in a way I can`t.
I can`t mod myself. Even If I were able to do so, I would break the ToS. Forcing me to break the ToS so I can compete with modders on a equal level is unfair.


Here, the "Hybrid saga" from my point of view...
1. People hack this game, brag around with youtube videos about their hacks, spread guides so everyone can do the same.
2. Others say it violates the ToS, it breaks online mode, point to players cheating at TT/DT or others stealing DLC, but modders show them the Finger.
3. PD updates the game, says they will bann modders/hackers. People now have time to react, to install backup saves or delete hybrids... But most modders don`t care, still continue to hack this game, cheaters who used hybrids in competionts still continued to do so...
4. PD updates the game again, deletes most hybrids, GT5 online mode is almost cured (hidden parts and super softs are still there).... Modders now have the option to stick with 2.11 or update to 2.12. Well, some updated to 2.12 only to try hacking this game and ruining its online mode AGAIN, eventhough they could have stayed at 2.11...

I`m absolutely disgusted by the people who are trying to hack this game again. Yeah right, go on. Just ruin it. I guess modding in 2.11 isn`t fun enough?

Edit:
I might add: I feel sorry for the guys who tried to tune realistic cars, they only used in private lobbys or offline. I hope PD gives us more advanced tuning options in GT6, so you can do drivetrain/suspension/chassis changes again.

 

[Vagabond]

I`m absolutely disgusted by the people who are trying to hack this game again. Yeah right, go on. Just ruin it. I guess modding in 2.11 isn`t fun enough?

Now this I totally agree with. If you want to play with hybrids, 2.11 should be good enough - take yourself offline and play with your toys in peace. Continuing to attempt to hack in order to find a loophole that will allow hybrids online is just ridiculous.

 

[jimipitbull]

Now this I totally agree with. If you want to play with hybrids, 2.11 should be good enough - take yourself offline and play with your toys in peace. Continuing to attempt to hack in order to find a loophole that will allow hybrids online is just ridiculous.

Is there really much difference between these posts? What makes one a troll, and not the other?

I`m absolutely disgusted by the people who are trying to hack this game again. Yeah right, go on. Just ruin it. I guess modding in 2.11 isn`t fun enough?

This is why we cant have nice things. Selfish hackers will ruin the game for everyone.

 

[Vagabond]

Is there really much difference between these posts? What makes one a troll, and not the other?

So your purpose here is just to argue then? You already know the answer to your question and given that, even if I give you a reasonable answer you'll find something to be argumentative about.

Edit - in case anyone else doesn't see the difference:

The first comment cites a specific instance that inspired it. ie - continued attempts to hack the game after the 2.12 update when it is still possible in 2.11 without affecting the online service.

The second comment cites nothing save your opinion that selfish hackers ruin everything for everyone - it is a sweeping generalisation intended to goad 'hackers'.

 

[Fulch]

So your purpose here is just to argue then? You already know the answer to your question and given that, even if I give you a reasonable answer you'll find something to be argumentative about.

People with a different opinion than you are not just flaming the situation. By my thumbs up I was showing support to someone who also agrees with me that hackers are ruining games , not just gt5 , which isn't ruined actually thanks to PDs continuous support

 

[jimipitbull]

So your purpose here is just to argue then? You already know the answer to your question and given that, even if I give you a reasonable answer you'll find something to be argumentative about.

No, I am actually curious as to why you have reacted differently to each of those posts. They both say the same thing.

edit - just noticed your edit, still curious

 

[HKS racer]

I firmly believe that it isn't the patches that screw people, it's their own systems. I have a first gen slim (120g) and have never experienced slow loading or anything of that nature. I have only 2 users living on it and keep the system very clean, no junk/duplicates. Many users have way too many user accounts living, movies, and all kinds of junk that slows things down. With that said, I think it's the user not the patches.

Side note, Just seen a RWD Evo in a public lobby........

I watched it in "watch race" mode.

Either new hacks have come up or they haven't patched properly.

GT5 has a slow menu, period. Sometimes it takes longer the usual, sometimes not but even when it works it is SLOW compared to other stuff. With rF you can be on track in seconds. Well, let's keep it simple we don't even need comparing it to other platforms, let's stay on PS3.. what about GT5 Prologue. That menu was so much better, not only better looking, it was way faster. Try yourself if you have a copy.

For GT6 they better delete the whole menu and start from scratch.

 

[Vagabond]

People with a different opinion than you are not just flaming the situation. By my thumbs up I was showing support to someone who also agrees with me that hackers are ruining games , not just gt5 , which isn't ruined actually thanks to PDs continuous support

Its the way those opinions are presented. I advocate a live and let live scenario... do you? Your first posts on this, indeed most of your posts about this, have been pretty black and white in condemning the use of hybrids. Hacking games is not a new concept nor has it been entirely damaging to the game industry - it did in fact inspire a whole generation of games intended to be modded, which is now a flourishing part of the market.

Edit - I'm adding evidential support to my own position... I decided about a week or so ago to have a dabble with some hybrids. I did some engine swaps for sound, a bit of bhp modification to bring those engines up to spec for the kind of car I put them in, painting some unpaintable cars... I enjoyed it. I had some great races even against the AI in cars that would previously have either thrashed them or been too far off the pace. I enjoyed it...

It must be stressed that at no point did I actually take any of these cars online.

Then update 2.12.... I didn't want to give up my hybrid projects now, when I was in full swing. So I took stock and bought myself a new Super Slim 12Gb PS3, another copy of GT5 and stuck the hybrid account on there. My old PS3 is now running 2.12 with my GTP_ account pristine and unhacked. So you see, this hacking malarky has actually made both Sony and PD a little more profit from my desire to modify my cars. So all hackers are ruining everything for everyone are they?

 

[Fulch]

although you present your arguments well vagabond , there is no justification in hacking , and any attempt to do so is most likely for your own attempt to justify it to yourself

 

[Vagabond]

The end justifies the means if the means are executed in accordance with the idea of enlightened self-interest.

 

[GranTurismo916]

The tool doesn't work anymore, correct?

There's gonna be another new one in 2 seconds though...

 

[flashmatrix]

After modding a few of my own hacks....most were "realistic" hybrids. I was never a fan of 999 mph fantasy ones....the hellaflush cars looked great to build and what not, but drove like ass. Im more performance oriented so i love to tinker with cars, even in real life. I own a gs300 with a jdm aristo swap in real life which i also made in game... And have owned a bunch of swapped cars in my lifetime. Unfortunately, I had accidentally updated to 2.12....but i will be go back to 2.11. Luckily I have a bunch of game saves. I wont miss online racing, since theres nothing that catches my attention anymore at this point. I have finished the game and all races for about two years now. Most of the guys I used to race with have moved on from game or are barely ever on anyway. Lets face it,this game is old. With that being said Ill be producing more hacks, and with the use of the secret menu....chose my opponents offline according. Theres new ways of hacking on 2.12.....but im done with online anyway. Now I can make my 2jz powered corollas, mustang powered miatas and old school imports with premo swaps. Ill be back on when GT6 comes out...

With That being said....Big middle finger to 2.12!

 

[jimipitbull]

The end justifies the means if the means are executed in accordance with the idea of enlightened self-interest.

I can see why you took offense to my selfish hacker comment.

Hindsight points towards a reverse trolling technique. Well played.

 

[Vagabond]

I can see why you took offense to my selfish hacker comment.

Hindsight points towards a reverse trolling technique. Well played.

What? I've explained, at some length, exactly what I think and why and responded to every question with a considered view without being inflammatory. You still seem to want to argue though... apt username.