Since the Logitech Challenge cheaters were exposed, many of you have spread the word and contacted Sony/Logitech, expressing your anger with poorly-skilled drivers who were bending the rules to get ahead. Now, we’ve got official word from Logitech on exactly what is (not) going to happen. Chris Pate, Logitech’s Global Product Marketing Manager, stopped by the GTPlanet Forums:
The issue of wall contact is a tough one. While Logitech does not at all approve of cheating in GT5:P or any other game, we won’t be reviewing ghost laps for wall contact as it would add a significant element of subjectivity. As such, there will be no disqualifications or changes to player rankings for racing line decisions. The decision to uphold the game’s own penalty system for this event was made in the interest of ensuring a level playing field for all drivers.
Read Chris’ full post on the issue – you’ll also find his comments on Logitech’s corporate blog where the challenge was originally announced. This outcome is not a surprising one, and indeed, it would add a significant element of subjectivity. Ultimately, we can only place blame on the forgiving collision detection algorithms set in place by Polyphony Digital and those who decided to take advantage of them. At the very least, perhaps the spotlight on this issue will encourage Kazunori Yamauchi to implement more sensitive boundaries in future GT5 Prologue updates.
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^^^Exactly.
If they had damage, this wouldn’t be a problem.
AutoAki, I think I just about understood your attempt at English there…
Actually, I don’t take GT5P online because of the rammers and the cheaters. During an actual race it spoils things for all concerned. Where time trials are the order of the day, it is just you, the car, and the track. So, you do what you need to do to get the quickest time possible. You don’t have all the other idiots on track at the same time.
Sorry to break the news to you kid, but nobody stole my car. Oh well, I guess it just means I’ll have to keep driving it instead of looking for one to steal myself… :o/ Doofus.
so how does the competition work? is it just fastest lap to the one signed up to the logitech challenge. and then logitech review the lisitngs in the online results page to come up with a winner?
if thats the cast then all they do is review the lap if they dont ride the wall, or all 4 wheels dont go to grass, is ok. and keep going through them till they find one. I tell you the penalty system is whack to say the least, if I cut the high speed right hander kink to the right hander in suzuka if i cut it by the smallest amount, u get 4 sec penalty, however if you go rallying go over grass, miss the kink, stay all way to the right, miss the right after as well, rejoin circuit just before the left hand hairpin you get no penalty and its at least .700 of a sec faster. its frustrating to say the least when you push real hard, cut it al ittle get the penalty then while you counting your penalty cars are airbore over the turns gaining time.
what the penalty system needs to take into its calculations that when the infarction happend was he braking, coasting, full throttle. so if u were wall riding you would be hitting the wall at full speed and also full throtle. none some throttle, this can tell alot on how he was driving, also to check the cars attitude before going off the track etc. the computer could see it under oversteer, did he apply steering input to go to this place, was it a result of sliding. if the penalty system could take this all into account it would be much more reliable. and it doesnt have to do it on the fly, it will do it once you cross the line. then add penalty to your time
Nomino… again, you really are blind to see your own words.
I’m very sure youre one of those rammers what people hate most in online-racing. What you say now second time, just gives impression that everything is ok, if it’s possible to do. No matter of way how you do it, if it’s possible… so do you see it’s right to shortcut bus-stop in Daytona, brakecheck opponent behind, or sidesweep guy to grass in corner!? All those things are possible to do without penalty, but even that, it is cheating. People here are committed to NOT do those, because we want to drive this game like ‘Real Driving Simulator’ should be driven.
I hope someone steals your car (tricycle) tonight. It’s possible to do without penalty, and same for all… you can then steal some others, cause that’s just how life is, and it’s same for all?
Good decision – the game is the same for all, so what are people crying about? Get over it and be happy with your own skills instead of feeling the need to boast and show off.
At the end of the day, it’s about racing smarter, not harder. Some people work their assess off to earn £1,000. Some people work very little for that same £1,000. Is that cheating? No.
It’s really wierd…all the top times in time trial mode on the tracks, from the ghost replay show top notch skills and driving and this goes an happens. PD, doing something???
I might also like to add: To Chris and everyone else who did this:
Thanks for cheating! (I mean it!)
As for me, a fan of GT, I’m glad this happened.
I’m glad because it draws attention to GT’s flaws. Maybe after this they’ll give stronger consideration to making a more realistic experience by showing what the real consequences of grinding a wall in real life are, hopefully before GT5 is released.
“The two names in life that have always bothered me is being call stupid, or a quitter. I am not a quitter, and in the exampel of a pitcher sandpapering a ball, I would not expect a Major League Baseball team to walk off the field if they found an embry board in opposing pitchers back pocket. They would not want to be called quitters.”
You’re right, they wouldn’t walk off the field. They would demand the pitcher be punished. Even if he was thrown out of the game, it would probably still be played under protest. And your argument doesn’t even make sense. With this competition, it’s all about interpretation, and you’re entitled to yours. However, if you don’t expect the victims, for lack of a better term, of cheating to take offense to a blatant disregard for the written rules, such as those in your baseball example, then you have a lot to learn about honor and consequences.
Fair play?
Cheating?
Cheater?
They gave us a level playing field.
I have had the game for 3 1/2 months–some people have know about this problem for some time now–there are posts on this board about this very fact.
Better to bring it up late than never?
From what I have read this “wall riding” has been known problem–Maybe Eiger will be different? Yeah right.
I would feel bad for the person that wins at Eiger if they have any contact. (Then this post, well, it would never end)
In a previous post I stated that controversy in sports and gaming have been around a long time, and with that controversy come rule changes.
I do hope the rules get changed but I was not going to walk off the field because the pitcher was caught sandpapering the ball. I did the best I could based on the rules that were in place.
The two names in life that have always bothered me is being call stupid, or a quitter. I am not a quitter, and in the exampel of a pitcher sandpapering a ball, I would not expect a Major League Baseball team to walk off the field if they found an embry board in opposing pitchers back pocket. They would not want to be called quitters.
I might have to add the word cheater now to my “names that bother me list”. No posts here have singled me out personally, but they all seem pointed in my direction. I did not make the game or the rules.
So please, for me and the rest of the people who finished up top, stop with the word “cheater”.
I’ll run Eiger, as of an hour or so before this post I was 6th with a “clean lap”. I don’t know this track well, but I will give it a shot.
From all of this will come change, as in any sport or game. But keep in mind this is a game, and speaking for myself, it is not my full time job. I play to have fun.
Almost forgot, I in no way mean to offend any person, I am just voicing my opinions.
Thanks for your thoughts on the matter, Chris… but what a joke (at PDs expense, really) ! Assuming the ‘wall-riding’ methods are fastest, a cheater will win and be rewarded.
My comments were only meant to indicate exactly what I said. I am not directing blame anywhere, nor am I denying that it’s important for us to address our customers’ concerns.
Again, Logitech does not condone cheating. To ensure a level playing field, the rules do not delineate any criteria for driving-related disqualification other than what the game determines to be an illegitimate lap. As such, any lap time deemed legitimate by the game cannot be considered cheating in the context of this contest. We understand that this has led to people competing in ways that are outside of the spirit of the GT OLR community, but for this event the official results will stand. We’ll take all feedback we’ve received into consideration for any potential future events.
-Chris
Now I want to see people defend having no damage modeling in GT after this episode…..come out and say it.
So what he’s saying is that it’s not their problem, which it’s not. This just one event that clearly showcases the faults with GT5P’s penalty system.