1.03 update adds ONLINE ONLY mechanical damage (No further details known.)

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That's the 'go-to' response these days, isn't it? I have to wonder, how is telling someone to go purchase an Xbox 360 and Forza Motorsport hurting anyone's feelings?

Also, I'm very curious, what does this game have more of than we've seen in any console game before?

It's not hurting feelings, and it's not intended too, but I dont see where you get the from? It has more cars, better graphics, two single player modes, and more players (not compared to grid which is on 2 consoles, I'm saying exclusive games). Not much more things, sf yes it does have less of some things but... Yanno! It also gives you more value
 
This was a waste of an update, they should have added leaderboards and online events instead. Went into many lobbies lobbies lastnight with mechanical damage on and after the first race everyone wanted it off. I understand its important to some but the majority of players would have preferred an update with leaderboards and earning credits from playing online.

Is their number of allowed updates limited? Seriously, some things take more time to program than others. I don't call that a wasted update. Any update that adds stuff is a welcome update to me, as it adds content in some way. And yes, the leaderboards will be added, supposedly this month, and we know that Kaz and his team are planning a few other updates in the coming months, so everybody should calm down, go wreck their cars online and enjoy the joys of a misaligned steering wheel or damaged engine...

I sense a great future for Gran Turismo 5 as Kaz seems really dedicated to improve the game in the many upcoming updates. Can't wait to see what they have in store for the next updates!:drool:
 
I think it seems unlikely... I am no insider expert or anything, but I can't imagine how recompiling something to be compliant with a new SDK would be easier on a slightly older or stripped down version... I believe it's like compiling anything else on a newer version, it simply involves making sure it's encrypted with the new SDK seucirty key and then compiled and tested to make sure no functions cause unexpected bugs...

I suppose it's possible they pulled stuff out to patch it in later but that seems potentially an even longer process and I just don't feel it would be feasible. Far from impossible but call it gut instinct, I don't see it happening that way...



Are you sure? I had heard several reports that it will not work on a new system when you restore... if it's true that's good that it can be ported and you are right the inconvenience (while still a legitimate issue) is far less of an issue.

See, I don't see it as that unlikely. There are programmers at PD that have been known to edit their code in assembler, and are some of the only ones out there willing to do so for reasons of this type. That could easily set them back if they had to re-update to a new SDK. This is of course information I heard from one of my clan mates who writes code and does programming for a living in Japan. He says that some of the coders they have at PD are legendary for their coding ability, and would edit code in assembler without even thinking twice. This guy isn't known for blowing smoke out his rear end, but you never know, he could be.
 
1-Please stop complaining
2-Damage to online is great thats my favorite part of the game anyway.
3-Offline mode is flawed and boring except for some challenges.
*we should deal with that *
4-time trial (good fun learn the tracks)
5-arcade *if by some reason connection is off so you can race against somebody*
6- online (the best part of the game)

I only do spec A becuase i need the credits.

If i want real driving i just look for a room with good players and i have found quite a lot of those. If you are on room and people is crashing into each other look another room.

Im on 2mb connection and i have no issues, you guys in US and europe with 10+mb connection should be blazing fast to change rooms.
 
Whats people moaning about now? If the game doesnt get fixed, people moan. It gets a patch, people moan. Patch = progress. Snail pace or otherwise, progress is good. I'll bitch about a patch only if it takes content out. Also, I have to 'lol' at the kiddies not wanting to race with damage. It was a topic of attacking GT5, now its in, some folks here say people want it turned off online? Kids, are you old enough to play GT5 then?? I recommend Motor Toon Racing to those types.
 
Complain much?!? There is no pleasing people, just do the best you could and turn a deaf ear, someone is not going to be happy with something you did or didn't do. They are quickly patching which is good, what is bad they are patching things that should have been enabled from day one. Damage in A Spec would have been great, a lot less people would even be at such a high level they are now.

I'm pretty sure that this patch was damage controls and increased connections for online servers or something like that. When leader boards and online credits arrive i hope the online part stays civil, else we could end up with the mess that FM3 has for online races. Level 29 racer, gets abused by lower level racers for having a higher rank and being faster. Or because of your level you can't even get a race as no one wants to challenge a higher rank. Vice versa higher ranks don't want to race lower ranks because of idiotic behavior of some of the lower ranks and some higher rank are just full of themselves. Will probably just be relegated back to private rooms once the annoyances start showing up.

What PD needs to patch in is an online paint shop, start out with decals and unlimited paints to choose from. Race liveries from PD should be up for sale using credits, and we should be able to create our own, even if it's rudimentary at first. Just allow more creative freedom to further individualize ourselves while online. What is assinine is the fact that you can't change your drivers outfit, seriously with all the technological ability, why is it we don't have a color wheel and make our own color for our avatar, helmet, gloves, shoes and all? Some decisions they made you just wonder about, i can personalize my lounge, but not my car or my driver, both of which will be seen more often than my lounge. PD we need to have a talk on things of importance to individuality.

Forza 3 does not have a open hopper system like GT5, Forza 2. so this will not pose to much of threat and anyway cant you tick room ownership so that you cant get the boot also private hoppers allow you to set the level of competion by adjusting the difficulty for all players so that you should end up with a balanced field eventually also you could name it "awesome driver" enter if you dare. And I agree livery paints is a must. nothing like creating your own masterpeice like in Forza 3
 
Yep, because it's so much nicer to race online against a thousand cars with anime and porn painted on them.

And so much more realistic :D

Don't get me wrong, custom liveries are cute to have, but they also have PLENTY downsides, so I would not even go near defining them a "must" or anywhere near a priority. If I had a dime for every absolutely tacky (and immersion breaking) car I raced online in Forza 3, and had to pay a dime for every good and realistic looking one, I'd be able to afford buying a Ferrari. Scratch that, I could buy Ferrari. All of it.
 
Yep, because it's so much nicer to race online against a thousand of cars with anime and porn painted on them.

And so much more realistic :D

Custom liveries are cute to have, but they also have PLENTY downsides, so I would not even go near defining them a "must".

A livery editor would finally offer NASCAR fans a chance to expand the number of different liveries in an online race so we aren't stuck racing against 6 Dale Jrs and 3 Jeff Gordons. If you ask me that is one of the most important things PD needs to tackle, as it is a serious hindrance to the realism of NASCAR in the game
 
Well mafia 2 second DLC was supposed to be part of the game but the devs decided to cut that part and sell it, the same happened with a lot of last 2 yrs games, OK you can play the game even without those dlcs but you'll miss a big part of the plot....
IMO it's a great thing that pd patches the game but the real prob is, as SavageEvil said, that this features was intended to be part of the game since the beginning!

That is something else. It was added missions and content, it did not fix the game. To spin that in a way to make this into a special success for PD is really stretching.
 
A livery editor would finally offer NASCAR fans a chance to expand the number of different liveries in an online race so we aren't stuck racing against 6 Dale Jrs and 3 Jeff Gordons. If you ask me that is one of the most important things PD needs to tackle, as it is a serious hindrance to the realism of NASCAR in the game

Yep, because if there was a livery editor, we'd have a majority of realistic looking nascar replicas, right? Not a thousand of nascar cars with boobs, asses and hello kitty? 💡
 
I don't really see the big deal. The positives far outweigh the negatives as far as that is concerned. Your really willing to sacrifice the ability to personalize cars and create replicas just because you don't like seeing cartoon asses? To be perfectly honest, I'd rather race with a field that has a couple of boob cars than a field with 5 Jeff Gordons. Thats boring and unrealistic (not to say boob cars ARE realistic, they obviously aren't). The people who make those, ahem, homages to the cartoon anatomy can be ignored. I'll have fun racing with my friends in replicas of 2010 and 2011 NASCAR schemes.
 
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That's the 'go-to' response these days, isn't it? I have to wonder, how is telling someone to go purchase an Xbox 360 and Forza Motorsport hurting anyone's feelings?

Also, I'm very curious, what does this game have more of than we've seen in any console game before?

Maybe fanboys that will defend it to the death, just a guess.
 
Forza 3 does not have a open hopper system like GT5, Forza 2. so this will not pose to much of threat and anyway cant you tick room ownership so that you cant get the boot also private hoppers allow you to set the level of competion by adjusting the difficulty for all players so that you should end up with a balanced field eventually also you could name it "awesome driver" enter if you dare. And I agree livery paints is a must. nothing like creating your own masterpeice like in Forza 3

I agree. Paintshop for custom liveries, auction house to remedy all this used car hunting and ad-hoc car gifting, and perhaps most importantly, credits for online racing. Grinding for cash is so antiquated and boring it is shameful. Cars are more expensive than ever in GT5, and we have fewer ways to earn credits . . . (no repeat car awards, no repeat credits in special events.)

Better yet, dump the course generator and create a custom series generator. You pick the restrictions and tracks/number of races, and set the difficulty. The game analyzes the restrictions and awards you credits based on the settings and the car you select.
 
Still no leaderboards or matchmaking. Darn.

EDIT: Nevermind. Old article.

The GT academy says it opens on the 20th of December for public TT submission online via the leader boards, so there will be online TT before the 20th.
 
Yep, because it's so much nicer to race online against a thousand cars with anime and porn painted on them.

And so much more realistic :D

Don't get me wrong, custom liveries are cute to have, but they also have PLENTY downsides, so I would not even go near defining them a "must" or anywhere near a priority. If I had a dime for every absolutely tacky (and immersion breaking) car I raced online in Forza 3, and had to pay a dime for every good and realistic looking one, I'd be able to afford buying a Ferrari. Scratch that, I could buy Ferrari. All of it.

This is your rationale against a livery editor? You don't like anime? Is there a single real-world racing livery which you have found you cannot buy in Forza 3? Do the liveries you don't like ruin your gaming experience? How is more less? Can you even explain or are you still dreaming of your dimes and the Ferrari?
 
Whats people moaning about now? If the game doesnt get fixed, people moan. It gets a patch, people moan. Patch = progress. Snail pace or otherwise, progress is good. I'll bitch about a patch only if it takes content out. Also, I have to 'lol' at the kiddies not wanting to race with damage. It was a topic of attacking GT5, now its in, some folks here say people want it turned off online? Kids, are you old enough to play GT5 then?? I recommend Motor Toon Racing to those types.

Exactly, there has been a patch and it hasn't gone backwards, so waht is there to moan about? some will moan about anything!
 
I really hope that PD don't listen to the moaning minority community that closely. The 'so quick to judge, never willing to think' attitude could ruin this game with thoughtless and useless implementations of ill thought out 'features' or mechanics. Some of the preachers have barely even got past the title screen before exclaiming how wrong this and that is.

People were even doing it with 2 min video clips looking at reflections on the roof of the cars during bends with damning animated Gifs showing the 'terrible' omissions that blind and stupid PD obviously forgot to notice during the games lengthy production process.
 
I really hope that PD don't listen to the moaning minority community that closely. The 'so quick to judge, never willing to think' attitude could ruin this game with thoughtless and useless implementations of ill thought out 'features' or mechanics. Some of the preachers have barely even got past the title screen before exclaiming how wrong this and that is.

People were even doing it with 2 min video clips looking at reflections on the roof of the cars during bends with damning animated Gifs showing the 'terrible' omissions that blind and stupid PD obviously forgot to notice during the games lengthy production process.

And what about those with legitimate concerns. Or is anybody who doesn't share your opinion the 'moaning minority'?
 
I agree. Paintshop for custom liveries, auction house to remedy all this used car hunting and ad-hoc car gifting, and perhaps most importantly, credits for online racing. Grinding for cash is so antiquated and boring it is shameful. Cars are more expensive than ever in GT5, and we have fewer ways to earn credits . . . (no repeat car awards, no repeat credits in special events.)

Better yet, dump the course generator and create a custom series generator. You pick the restrictions and tracks/number of races, and set the difficulty. The game analyzes the restrictions and awards you credits based on the settings and the car you select.

Actually credits for online racing was supposed to be in the online part from the start, check your manual it's in there, so it matchmaking. What in the world prompted PD to literally disable these many things to begin with. From the measly size of these patches, something else is cooking that they aren't giving us information about. Things were disabled, it's not like mechanical damage was just added, it was blatantly turned off. The fact that the on screen display was always there, meaning that they Golded the game with a lot features turn off or hidden. This whole thing just seems strange as hell.

One idea I have would be to allow online race series, like the one's you have in GT Life, complete with credit payouts and subtractions for damage incurred. The online part of GT5 seems like it's a build as they go thing, adding things to appease the community and in such a short time, seems as if they knew ahead of time or they already had it and just waited until the outcry came. Just give us a central hub that we can sit in and check for room availability, and to be returned to that hub should you choose to leave a room and not the whole online lobby(that is my biggest gripe).

I'm sorry but a game of this size and with as many people wanting to play it, why the hell shouldn't we be able to be known by how our car looks, cars no matter how many there are in the world will undoubtedly start repeating, but individuals that is rare. No two people think the same and I would like to grace my line up of cars with my own visual flair. I don't care if the next guy wants boobs on his car, that's his option. We for the most part are older adults and like to be treated as such. Even if it's just vinyls and paint to start out, make it happen. Fix that lame paint chip idea, if I get a paint chip, I have it until I give it away. I should have unlimited usage of the chip. That whole scheme is garbage if you ask me. I want to make GT5, MY GT5. I want to head to an online shop and snag some authentic PD designed logos to add to my cars if I want to. They want to make GT5 a community thing, well a paint shop guarantees that you will have a lot of people communing together and swapping out ideas. The Tuning needs to be fixed, I have never heard of bolt on chassis rigidity being permanent, that just doesn't happen. Also the Full Racing Transmission is BROKEN! I cannot tune individual gears, FIX IT PLEASE. Seems like a bug in the main game code as the manual says you should be able to change each individual gear. I have some more things that need to be addressed, but I'm about to get my GT5 fix, and I can't think and race hard at the same time.

Oh, how about a way to calibrate your pedals and such, auto calibration is fine and dandy, but I want to at least change how far I depress my pedal for full accel and for full braking. What is with people and removing options such as these?
 
I really hope that PD don't listen to the moaning minority community that closely. The 'so quick to judge, never willing to think' attitude could ruin this game with thoughtless and useless implementations of ill thought out 'features' or mechanics. Some of the preachers have barely even got past the title screen before exclaiming how wrong this and that is.

People were even doing it with 2 min video clips looking at reflections on the roof of the cars during bends with damning animated Gifs showing the 'terrible' omissions that blind and stupid PD obviously forgot to notice during the games lengthy production process.

This has been happening around here for years.. constantly... it's just been focused on other games until now. I don't remember a lot of complaining about it when it was happening to other games...
 
Shadows too?

Remember on grid start they were pretty messy, they don't look as bad now?

I can't just be imagining this....

We'd have to see some screen shots...

I always thought the shadow quality was down to the tracks. On certain tracks they aren't actually too bad. On others not so good...
 
I really hope that PD don't listen to the moaning minority community that closely. The 'so quick to judge, never willing to think' attitude could ruin this game with thoughtless and useless implementations of ill thought out 'features' or mechanics. Some of the preachers have barely even got past the title screen before exclaiming how wrong this and that is.

People were even doing it with 2 min video clips looking at reflections on the roof of the cars during bends with damning animated Gifs showing the 'terrible' omissions that blind and stupid PD obviously forgot to notice during the games lengthy production process.

Agreed. It's like the episode of The Simpsons where Homer gets to design a car. Design by committee (or community) is not always a good thing.
 
And what about those with legitimate concerns. Or is anybody who doesn't share your opinion the 'moaning minority'?


I would hope that legitimate concerns like broken, not working, crashing should be heard and addressed and carefully constructed requests with not only the 'issue' but a well thought out solution would be nice too but some sort of Beta must have taken place during production and PD have done games like this before! They knew how to do the rest of this game and the ones before it without our help and none of us contributed to the artistry involved either.

Most are happy with the fact that a largely great game has been released and that there is months and months of playable fun in there before reaching the bottom while others take a sip and keep spitting everywhere for some reason. There is an amazingly efficient engine surrounding that jaggy shadow if you stand back.


I intend no hostility btw, so :)
 
Some more videos of mechanical damage, which I'm personally quite disappointed by. No implementation to off-line mode? What a shame! It says something bad about development management... Did they really not programmed the AI in mind with mechanical damage? Did their PR department fool us again?

But I'm looking forward to other updates, I'm wondering what all they can fix by it. I appreciate the effort PD invests in our complaints.

Why are you assuming that this is some kind of failure in development (i.e. that they haven't done it because it affects the AI)?

Seems to me that it is more of a design decision.
 
We'd have to see some screen shots...

I always thought the shadow quality was down to the tracks. On certain tracks they aren't actually too bad. On others not so good...

Hmm, if it's down to the track maybe not... I only noticed because some tracks have huge shadow issues in grid panning camera but it seemed to be less jaggy on the two tracks I tried (Tskuba and Cape Ring)... maybe they are the same then.
 
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