Assetto Corsa PC Mods General DiscussionPC

[LAFAYET47]

By the way, the geo tags of Aragón Circuit are wrong. I noticed by setting "real conditions" and checking there was a high temperature, something completely off for this time of the year in Aragón. Then I clicked on the geo tags and it redirected me to Losail Circuit in Qatar

This Fenryr guy never cares about the small details. He even didn´t make proper replay cams, in his Nurburgring for example. The GP layouts cams are all messed and broken. He has already pushed a few updates but never touched the cams. Why release something that is half-baked? Replay cams are a must-have for any good quality track.

 

[macko68]

It’s all about priorities and available time. Good road mesh, kerbs and AI are more important to me and Fenryr than geotags or replay cams. I will fix the jumbos in next release and plan to make all layouts (8 in total) as this is my favourite circuit in Europe.
Fenryr did amazing job to bring good versions of Jerez and Aragon to AC. We should be thankful.

 

[giorgos_nes]

I also wish he was being a bit more careful, when it came to some details, like for example the groove/tire marks on the asphalt.

I already know that he is going to put those ugly tire marks at Jerez and Aragon with one of the next updates, the same ones he always uses only at the corners, which never looks like in real life to me. And also the groove will float 20 cm over the surface and will be off almost everywhere... Maybe that's why he doesn't make replay cams, it's then mostly noticable.

But agreed, a new and updated version of Aragon is more than welcome. And I prefer his up-to-date Nürburgring/Nordschleife (I deleted his tire marks via config there)

 

[Masscot]

It’s all about priorities and available time. Good road mesh, kerbs and AI are more important to me and Fenryr than geotags or replay cams. I will fix the jumbos in next release and plan to make all layouts (8 in total) as this is my favourite circuit in Europe.
Fenryr did amazing job to bring good versions of Jerez and Aragon to AC. We should be thankful.

Not poking the bear here, but why should it be one or the other? Why can't geotags and replay cameras and everything else that makes a track 'complete' also be included, especially in a paymod?
By using 'priorities and available time' as a reason, paying customers might wonder whether they're buying an unfinished track (and yeah, I know this is 0.7, but it has been released behind a paywall) and whether the modder has already moved on to the next product to sell.
Should we really 'be thankful' for this approach, especially when money is involved? I'm a lot more thankful to modders like @shi who go above and beyond to make sure their tracks are of a very high standard and as complete as possible, acting swiftly to rectify any bugs, errors or omissions... and all without a paywall in sight.

 

[racinjoe013]

Regarding the Fenryr Nords version, I have a couple of questions:

1.) What makes his version different from the Kunos version? Is the layout more accurate. I.E., elevations, turns, etc.

2.) Anyone else get stuck on loading the ai spline on the Nords layout? Only way I could get past it was to delete the .ai files and put some other .ai files in it's place.

3.) What's up with the trees? Thankfully he used the same tree file names as the Kunos version so I was able to take the tree files from my Kunos Nords track skin and put them in his version. Add in a new vao patch and at least the trees look better.

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[StoffelWaffle]

Anyone else having issues with Jugee's Trueno ? Light animation works fine in CM but doesn't in game and it's been that way since... Well its release.

Lights on CM :

Lights on IG:

Think I'll do one myself instead of relying on broken ass mods from 'good' modders

 

[Perico Lospa]

If you look at the end of the revised config...

Thanks for your patience: "...teach a man to fish and..." 😄

 

[Fall Guy]

Regarding the Fenryr Nords version, I have a couple of questions:

1.) What makes his version different from the Kunos version? Is the layout more accurate. I.E., elevations, turns, etc.

2.) Anyone else get stuck on loading the ai spline on the Nords layout? Only way I could get past it was to delete the .ai files and put some other .ai files in it's place.

3.) What's up with the trees? Thankfully he used the same tree file names as the Kunos version so I was able to take the tree files from my Kunos Nords track skin and put them in his version. Add in a new vao patch and at least the trees look better.

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I would recommend to download and install Morisan´s 3d trees for fn_nurburgring v1.2. Could not stand these ugly cardboard trees any longer. I think Fenryr´s version is more accurate in terms of sponsor placement and updated buildings and foliage since it is an ACC convert which came up years later than the AC version. Both are laserscanned. The Kunos one is just outdated, I have binned it after Fenryr´s version. No need to keep it, but this is just my opinion. Now go ahead and bash me why I dared to delete vanilla Kunos content.

 

[racinjoe013]

I would recommend to download and install Morisan´s 3d trees for fn_nurburgring v1.2. Could not stand these ugly cardboard trees any longer. I think Fenryr´s version is more accurate in terms of sponsor placement and updated buildings and foliage since it is an ACC convert which came up years later than the AC version. Both are laserscanned. The Kunos one is just outdated, I have binned it after Fenryr´s version. No need to keep it, but this is just my opinion. Now go ahead and bash me why I dared to delete vanilla Kunos content.

Thanks for the info. I don't think i'll bin the original just yet because i've modded the he!! out of it. The version I use no longer looks like the original. Too much time spent to just toss it.

I think I will keep the Fenryr version as well and tinker around with making it look more to my liking. Besides the trees (which I fixed already), i'm not a fan of how saturated the grass is either. Plus it needs more variety. Everything is just way too green. I always prefer some brown patchy areas thrown in here and there for variety. I also have to figure out my ai spline problem. Maybe it requires a newer CSP version for the ai spline to load.

 

[LAFAYET47]

It’s all about priorities and available time. Good road mesh, kerbs and AI are more important to me and Fenryr than geotags or replay cams. I will fix the jumbos in next release and plan to make all layouts (8 in total) as this is my favourite circuit in Europe.
Fenryr did amazing job to bring good versions of Jerez and Aragon to AC. We should be thankful.

To add something to this conversation, problem is that even AI is not good enough. I tested the Sprint layouts of Nurburgring with the VRC Super Tourers and they are ridiculously bad, even with 95-96 % of AI strenght set. I was like 5s faster than the second best AI...and +10s faster than the last dude. If the priority is the AI, I can´t see in this track.

 

[Peugeot905]

To add something to this conversation, problem is that even AI is not good enough. I tested the Sprint layouts of Nurburgring with the VRC Super Tourers and they are ridiculously bad, even with 95-96 % of AI strenght set. I was like 5s faster than the second best AI...and +10s faster than the last dude. If the priority is the AI, I can´t see in this track.

How did 100% ai go for you just curious.

 

[Perico Lospa]

... The Kunos one is just outdated, I have binned it after Fenryr´s version...

 

[macko68]

Not poking the bear here, but why should it be one or the other? Why can't geotags and replay cameras and everything else that makes a track 'complete' also be included, especially in a paymod?
By using 'priorities and available time' as a reason, paying customers might wonder whether they're buying an unfinished track (and yeah, I know this is 0.7, but it has been released behind a paywall) and whether the modder has already moved on to the next product to sell.
Should we really 'be thankful' for this approach, especially when money is involved? I'm a lot more thankful to modders like @shi who go above and beyond to make sure their tracks are of a very high standard and as complete as possible, acting swiftly to rectify any bugs, errors or omissions... and all without a paywall in sight.

Simply because each modder has different workflow and focus. And each has its own personal preferences. You like thin fences and cables and other like them thick, one loves replays, other doesn’t care. For some it means incomplete track for others its fine. One is certain that you can’t satisfy everyone. It’s your decision to buy or not bearing in mind version number. I don’t know any modder as responsive and flexible in vision as Shin who I truly admire. Truth is majority is unresponsive and paywalled. And as in life everything will have different assessment in light of what you compare it with.

 

[X90]

I always do all my own UI updates on all tracks I download for this very reason.

The inaccurate Geo Location bugs the **** out of me - especially when I need to use it for league racing (MX-5 at Atlanta Motorsports Park this weekend, link in sig!) and the session manager reads the wrong time zone.



I'm not exactly sure how missing details that determine weather conditions and time of day has anything to do with "workflow", but whatever.



Here's my quick placeholder for now that I can add.

Note 2 things - one, that it's marked BETA very loudly (as it is very much a beta) and two, that this UI cites the GTP updates from yesterday and Leghorn's AI on RaceDepartment.


Remove the .txt, extract, and paste/replace in fn_aragon track folder. Only the .jsons have been changed.

Cheers.




EDIT: There's usually a download link in the UI files, but I realized this track is paid and removed it. The link will be added once the track becomes public.

 

[LAFAYET47]

How did 100% ai go for you just curious.

Still better than them, but this time by "only" 2s

It's definitely something with the ai_lines and ai_hints not good for VRC tourers (and probably many other cars since those ones are of good quality). Kunos Nurburgring is also not very good, I can still beat them easily. And believe me, I'm one of the worst drivers of the world lol. On another tracks with good ai_lines/hints AI **** me on the worst possible ways and I'm always on the bottom of the grid.

 

[jac0]

Use Extended Control app and change it to whatever you like!

it doesn't allow to add it to any car mod (as I had hoped)... only if the car has ignition and starter already, you can simply re-assign the button for it...

I did find THIS , which allowed me to add the ignition and start engine to a car mod that did not have it yet.
But it is quite the hassle ...

Hope something universal gets built into CSP some day , so we can have Ignition and Start Engine button work out of the box for ANY car mod (without the need to fiddle w each mod).

 

[Masscot]

Simply because each modder has different workflow and focus. And each has its own personal preferences. You like thin fences and cables and other like them thick, one loves replays, other doesn’t care. For some it means incomplete track for others its fine. One is certain that you can’t satisfy everyone. It’s your decision to buy or not bearing in mind version number. I don’t know any modder as responsive and flexible in vision as Shin who I truly admire. Truth is majority is unresponsive and paywalled. And as in life everything will have different assessment in light of what you compare it with.

But we aren't talking about preferences here, we're talking about glaring omissions, basics that are reasonably expected when a track is released. Especially one that people have to pay for before they can even test it and discover what's missing. Expectations are generally higher with paymods for obvious reasons, but unfortunately they often come up short when compared to mods produced with passion rather than for financial gain.

I don't really understand what any of that has to do with workflow. It's an interesting discussion though, and I'm glad that people with differing opinions can discuss it respectfully in a civil manner. 👍

 

[Fall Guy]

Attention folks, this is most likely the coolest thing you´ve ever seen for AC in recent time.

 

[Rodger Davies]

Thanks for the info. I don't think i'll bin the original just yet because i've modded the he!! out of it. The version I use no longer looks like the original. Too much time spent to just toss it.

I think I will keep the Fenryr version as well and tinker around with making it look more to my liking. Besides the trees (which I fixed already), i'm not a fan of how saturated the grass is either. Plus it needs more variety. Everything is just way too green. I always prefer some brown patchy areas thrown in here and there for variety. I also have to figure out my ai spline problem. Maybe it requires a newer CSP version for the ai spline to load.

Are you also having an issue where the AI spline isn't loading the correct/default one for some reason?

 

[MasterFocus]

Isnt the Fenryr version ported from ACC? (Beside the tress that sckk ballz! and the emptyness of the track surround like no spectators, no safety team, cars...) But yeah, its not "completed"

 

[racinjoe013]

Are you also having an issue where the AI spline isn't loading the correct/default one for some reason?

I only tried the Nords layout, but yes, I get stuck loading the track on the AI Spline part. The only way I got around it was to put my ai files from the Kunos version into the ai folder. Then at least the track loaded and I could drive it. Not sure what would happen if I tried to race though.

I'm also stuck trying to figure out what kn5 file has the one weird 3D tree that pops up out of nowhere in the Metzgesfeld area. I can't click on it with the object inspector to get the mesh name so I can hide it and I can't find it in any of the kn5 files.

 

[TheStranger]

Anyone else having issues with Jugee's Trueno ? Light animation works fine in CM but doesn't in game and it's been that way since... Well its release.

Lights on CM :

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Lights on IG:

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Think I'll do one myself instead of relying on broken ass mods from 'good' modders

I'm pretty sure the popup lights are activated by those extra buttons from CSP in almost all of Jugee's mods

 

[FrustratedUse]

Attention folks, this is most likely the coolest thing you´ve ever seen for AC in recent time.

Wonder how useful it will be to port codemaster tracks to AC, Might just have to give that an try.

 

[racinjoe013]

Now this I can stomach a little better. To each his own and i'm not questioning Fenryr's texture choices. I'm sure they look fine in his eyes. I just know on my system the original grass and trees didn't strike me as being very realistic looking shape wise or color. I think I need a little bit more saturation in the trees though.

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[peppemuratore]

Will you make your changes public, please?

 

[Racer63]

But we aren't talking about preferences here, we're talking about glaring omissions, basics that are reasonably expected when a track is released. Especially one that people have to pay for before they can even test it and discover what's missing. Expectations are generally higher with paymods for obvious reasons, but unfortunately they often come up short when compared to mods produced with passion rather than for financial gain.

I don't really understand what any of that has to do with workflow. It's an interesting discussion though, and I'm glad that people with differing opinions can discuss it respectfully in a civil manner. 👍

I think the core issue here isn’t preferences. It’s standards. And expectations going way up only to come crashing down like a lead balloon.
Nothing new, this has been happening in AC and other titles for years.

 

[andrevr]

Now this I can stomach a little better. To each his own and i'm not questioning Fenryr's texture choices. I'm sure they look fine in his eyes. I just know on my system the original grass and trees didn't strike me as being very realistic looking shape wise or color. I think I need a little bit more saturation in the trees though.

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Yup. Big 'ol handful of the "quality" slider, right there. 👏

 

[MrLonguinha17]

This is how my "simulation" of Emerson Fittipaldi's first race in 1965 turned out.It took place on the "Ilha do Fundão" circuit in Rio de Janeiro (a landfill had been created to artificially unite 8 islands), where part of the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro (UFRJ) campus was located.

To simulate the circuit, I used 60s Princen Park.
The car driven by Emerson was a Renault 1093; fortunately, we have a similar one in Assetto Corsa.

I added the Willys Interlagos (there were 4 in the race), adapted from the Alpine A110, and finally adapted new DKWs (Vemag Team), slightly different from the model I'm using in my "Mille Miglie '55" simulation.

I managed to improve the interior, as well as other small things.I used old Brazilian magazines that my late grandfather and uncle used to buy as research.

Next, the Renault R8 will be used, in addition to other cars (which will be adapted).Then we'll move on to a "new Champion"...and so on.

Emerson Fiitipaldi ( 1st Race - 1965 )

 

[BruceD]

Wonder how useful it will be to port codemaster tracks to AC, Might just have to give that an try.

From what I've seen and briefly tried myself, its more designed for building tracks from scratch. However, the export plugin could be a massive game changer, completely bypassing ksEditor completely and the need to apply modifiers.

 

[shi]

Here is my created fast lane for Rabbit Field & also AI Hints file. Please bear with me, im a newby at this.

Sorry here is the AI folder

The AI line has been improved (lap time). Thank you.
It will be included in an upcoming update.

I felt the ai_hints.ini was not as intended, so I updated it.
Tested with Kunos GT3 on full grid.
Please check the attached file.

Have you read the AC fast AI Line guide by parrilla ?
I think you'll be able to understand ai_hints.ini.

AC fast AI Line guide

This is a mini guide on track AI improving, based on knowledge gained by trial and error and some headaches. (The downloadable PDF file has the same info as this post). Here goes a quick tutorial on Assetto Corsa AI line recording and...

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