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  1. Groundfish

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    Eh. I qualify and play according to the rules.
    Let the ump call the balls and strikes.

    It’s a fantastic track and class. I have raced there a LOT.
    Earlier in game it seemed like they chose Suzuka way too much in everything from n200 to gr2.
    As much as I love it, they finally burned me out.
    Made it 10-3 last race after about four cars ahead went off on the B.

    Edit: Earlier as I was unwinding I entered about six B races, looking for trouble. I developed a pattern of getting myself offed to last every race just about lol. Man karma really nailed me!
     
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  2. NevilleNobody

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    Had a much better night at NGP. Started poorly with very fast RCZ pushing and shoving constantly in my first race, I tore into him after the race and before the next one said "are we racing or being crazy mate". We then had a jolly good battle that I won as he ran off track. The guy qualified with a 2.03.6, he isnfaster than most A drivers but was causing bedlam. I'm in a WRX, you're in a pug, passing is easy dilgenberry.

    Speaking of which, the REX is outstanding, dropped my qualy time to a 2.03.9 and I found near 4 more tenths on sector one before binning it sobthere is potentially a 2.03.5 in me but I doubt I can actually do it.

    Its a weird car to drive, got to take high lines and get on the gas super, super early, before the apex, but it is rock solid, great over bumps and for me, faster than the Lancer.
     
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  3. MidnightRun85

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    I'm a big fan of the WRX here too, but can't get under 2:05 at the moment! I find it massively predictable and very reliable through the twisty stuff and the hairpins. Mash the throttle and go for gold.
     
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  4. RacingGrandpa

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    Speaking of dirty driving at NGP. Beware of drivers that ask/wish for a clean race. This Canadian driver in the chrome RCZ(another warning sign) wrote "No bumper cars, please!" Just before the race begin.
    My first interaction with them is when I come up behind at the back straight leading to the chicane he moves to block. I have to go all four wheel off track to not have an accident.
    But, it could be a mistake so I give room. And they directly try to push me off to the left after the chicane. I undercut and they try to put me in the pit wall.
    Enough is enough.
    Next time they catch up (clearly faster than me) I see what is going to happen and overslow on entry to chicane,they miss me and gets 1.5 Penalty for track limits....
    Long video, but it is from outside then both perspectives...

     
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  5. MidnightRun85

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    TBH, it looks more like they just don't know how to use their radar, expecting you to give them more space on the inside on the final bend onto the home straight and didn't expect you there on the inside through the high speed bend where you took the scenic path. Not sure if they were being intentionally dirty.
     
  6. 05XR8

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    Well, no post race message, but the RCZ that was in front of me, was giving no room on corner exits. The FFs are so slow and they try to maximise the way out out out line and come in to the apex. That can't happen in race, It slows and is slowing everyone down. The AWD cars can stop, cut the corner and punch out. I have to wait, wait, wait in the Mustang, for an FF to slow way down, make the corner an arc and then wait for it to accelerate on exit.
     
  7. RacingGrandpa

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    Well. I said in post race chat " if you don't like bumper cars then why do you drive as one?" And his reply was "you hit me first"..
    So the first "block" was probably a mistake. The rest was on purpose for sure
     
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  8. OJBrit

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    It's amazing what perspective can do. From both it appears the other party is playing dirty. However he is showing a huge lack of awareness and racecraft. His constant cutting of the NGK shows that. I can see why he may have gotten annoyed with you and thought you were dirty. The collision with the Lambo probably didn't help. (I assume he cut across you and spun himself.) Honestly looks like they can't play very well and hopfully you won't meet soon.
     
  9. MidnightRun85

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    The only times you guys came into close contact was when you guys went around that final bend and you hit him because he turned in on you not giving you room, and then he looks like he dived (avoiding collision?) at the chicane when you over-slowed. It's hard to tell if he was planning on dive bombing you or if he just got caught out and ended up off the racing line and running through the chicane at the speed he would have taken the racing line. Either way, you got the result in the end and hopefully he'll use his radar in the future and maybe give other cars more room on the inside when he doesn't want to get spun out!
    Agree, it's a definite case of perspective. Or lack thereof by Mr Chrome RCZ where he cut @RacingGrandpa off at the last turn and paid the price for it...

    Am I the only person who finds entertainment in a yellow Mustang sandwiched between a chrome Huracan and a chrome RCZ? :confused: :D
     
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  10. RacingGrandpa

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    Yes, I was right behind that Hurracan when he ran wide and then got on the gas still with the rear on the curb, spun and crossed the track right in front of me. I did tap him when he flew by, unfortunately.
    Maybe lag was part of it and from his perspective (his own replay) I was involved? I'll never know.
    But when it happened I thought "too bad for him and too bad for me because now the RCZ surely see me as dirty.".
    And he did...
    The chicane where he dove there is no touching of the brake pedal before he realised I didn't turn in as he expected. Only when he sees he will go off he brakes.

    Edit: he tries to steer me off before that final corner, just after the chicane he pushed me hard towards the left edge. When I avoid he swerves to the right to push me to the pit wall. I am ahead when he does it so he knew alright
     
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  11. NevilleNobody

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    However early you are getting on the gas, you can do it earlier. Car is a slug so need to be on it early. At the mid lap hairpin, take a slightly high line to square off the corner and punch out hard, you will carry a good deal more speed through the esses.

    Bit sloppy in this race but go tot he last lap, definitely worth a viewing, my closest ever finish.

     
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  12. MidnightRun85

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    I started an alt account last night, so I'm looking forward to some interesting low-lobby racing when I've got through a few more of the mission challenges and circuit experience tasks to build my garage up a bit. It'll be good to test out different cars that I wouldn't normally try race with for fear of poor results...

    That's some tight racing there @NevilleNobody! I'll try take your advice on the hairpins and see if I can find some more time. I think turn 3/4 and turn 12 are my biggest time-losers at the moment.
     
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  13. NevilleNobody

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    Urgggggh 3 and 4. As someone else said, tricky thing there is keeping your minimum speed up. As I said above i ran a 2.03.9 then on next lap was 4 tenths up after sector 1, NFI what I did differently :crazy:
     
  14. Groundfish

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    I decided to try a few minutes this morning to improve my time.
    I used the Hyundai. Ended up improving it to 203.6 optimal 03.3.
    I like the Mustang in race though.
    Last night I was wondering how I got spun a couple times in the Stang by contact from Lancers and my pace was a bit off. Lol my dang tcs was off. Set it back to 3 this morning, much better.
    I might need to qual in the lancer because there’s guys with low 03 but they run like 05 in race? Wth. Annoying.
     
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  15. MidnightRun85

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    I'm a fan of the Genesis. Maybe I'll take that for a blat round the track and see if I can get a better qualy time. Mine has been with the WRX so far (but also tried the Megane, Atenza and Scirocco).
     
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  16. RacingGrandpa

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    If you look at my clip up above that's the Stang with TCS 0.
     
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  17. Groundfish

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    I was running qual last night tcs 0 without realizing it. Didn’t help my times. Negative is makes it easy to get spun out if they hit you.
    Medium tire always takes me too long to get used to.
     
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  18. NevilleNobody

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    Yeah I am strong at NGP, I am never that close to you, ever. I am DR-B and my time is better than all but 5% of fellow B rated folks. I'll take it after bleeding some 6,000 DR points at LM last week!
     
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  19. Groundfish

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    It’s a thinking persons track, definitely. Smart drivers do well here.

     
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  20. sturk0167

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    Hmmm.... so PD will let you backtrack onto the main Autopolis course before starting your lap. It's sporatic, though, because it will reset your car about half of the time. When it works, I can reach the starting line at @ 107 mph, instead of the normal 100 mph. You can gain about .2 seconds before reaching the first turn, but I think it makes your tires dirty, because there seems to be a lot less grip when you get to the first turn (even with early braking).
    My ghost, which didn't use the cheat, just flies right by me. :lol:

    *I did not use this method for qualifying. I'm just messing around. :D
    You would know if anyone used the cheat for qualifying if their lap replay shows them starting the lap at more than about 101 mph (162 kph).
     
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  21. NevilleNobody

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    HA!

    It suits my style. Nail the braking point, wide line, square the corner a bit, nail the exit. Repeat. Repeat again. And ...repeat one more time. It's not super flowy and doesn't have ambiguous lines like say Suzuka where I get lost. It's weird, I can go really well at Spa but Suzuka, no dice, absolutely none, I am USELESS.

    My stats suggest RBR > NGP > Bathurst as my best tracks pace wise and Bathurst likely because I have been watching laps there since 1981.
     
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  22. Rexracer702

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    That's funny. I do well at RBR, I hate NGP, and I've always sucked at Bathurst, though I am getting better. Raced one race there in FIA, and was up to 6th before pit stops, from 12th on the grid. Then I got pushed off at the end of Conrod, hit the grass, then sand, and ended up in 14th battling with a guy who punted me again when I didn't let him pass at the chase. He tried outside, I gave him room, side by side into the right, and he drove me off into the grass for a P16 finish. BUT, I was moving up and holding my own at the start, so there is hope!
     
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  23. NevilleNobody

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    RBR is very similar to NGP, surprised you struggle. 3 big stops, right handers all of them, ok 1st corner a bit odd as it is so fast but really quite similar. Just one little fake S curve etc.

    It's pretty clear where my strengths lye, I serious struggle at Autoplois, Fuji, Suzuka etc. Of the tracks i am Ok on, LM by far the weakest.
     
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  24. Little_Guppy

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    There is something magic about when to let go of turn 3 and head to turn 4 all the while lifting at the right point to avoid running too wide. I think you need to be patient and wait until a little after you are pointing at the turn 4 apex. Get to full throttle and then light quick lift.

    I am hard pressed to get a 38.0 in sector 1 though I did manage a 37.9 but could not convert it for a fast lap. On that lap I was tracking one of the fast lapper ghosts and was able to replicate the turn 4 rocket exit. It is hard.
     
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  25. NevilleNobody

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    And you sorta feel it too, i mean not sure how to do it but when it happens you know it, you can feel you are fast.
     
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  26. 05XR8

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    At NGP, qualified the amustang with A 2:03.6. started in pole with a WRX behind(qualified 2:03.7) and an EVO in P3. It couldn't catch me. Doesn't have the top end.
    Set my initial FL 2:08. Next lap 2:04. Final lap, 2:03.411. Went faster than I did in FP. Beat the WRX by 3 seconds.

    I've passed WRXs ahead of me, but not EVOs. Those seem to be much faster.

    A good & fair WRX player, that I always see, set a 2:02.9. He found time somewhere, because, he set a 2:03.9 early in the week. Was two spots behind me in a few races. Kept getting pummeled by knuckleheads mid-pack. Won from Pole, having a Scirocco (P2) giving chase.

    Watched that video again and the Scirocco could catch, but not pass in the braking-corner-acdeleration.
     
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  27. ii_Biggles_ii

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    Not races all week until this evening at NGP Gr.4 and man was it dirty, I'm a very reasonable person when it comes to letting people off with stuff but I have to admit when you catch a guy who punted you off and as you are catching him he is punting everyone else around him off too there only going to be one way i will deal with him. He attempted to put me off a few times when I tried to pass so I waited until the last corner and let him try again knowing full well he would be eating gravel. I really don't like racing like this so I'm off to spend time in single-make lobbies with some real racers who I have had great fun with even though I'm finishing near the back all the time. I think will give daily races a miss for a while as I don't race to overtake by force.
     
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  28. Little_Guppy

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    Unfortunately, I am not racing much recently, and I cannot detect the bashers during the course of the race. Only upon replay can I see the repetitive behavior - the post chat is a giveaway.

    At Gr 4/NGP I got rear-ended hard going into T1 from someone 0.5 s back. Normally I expect a dive but this was a full on hit. Upon replay the guy did the same thing to another racer. No history in either case. This is how he gains spots as there is no penalty. He literally aims for the bumper and delays braking. In my race he eventually spun himself out.

    In the other I started Q6 and the whole field opened up at T1 and I was contending for P2 by T2. Upon review, Q4 was a jerk and took out the field, went off, came back, and double connected pushing me off at T2. I think he was aiming for P3 based on post chat and I was just collateral damage. I was P11 by the end of the lap.

    Just not much fun.

    And I am not racing because of work commitments. I wanted to spend some time as this is my first time at NGP. I am a little familiar as I hit during the Nordschleife N24 variant.
     
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  29. 05XR8

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    I like how my alt starts on pole and I'm logged out and using my main. :lol:
     
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  30. TheMoose

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    Discovered a new twist to dailies that is my now favorite way to play.
    Racing at NGP a guy that was just full on dirty (A S class racing) I passed him when he took a guy out in hairpin & went wide, he punted me at chicane.
    He was in next race so I called him out with a warning to everyone he was dirty & to beware, he started 4th & I started 12th he slowed down so I caught up to him in corner 3 he tried to take me out.
    I ended up spinning him & finished in front of him.

    This has gone on all week I've raced him several times a day & I call him out every race & he waits to try to crash me, He is one of those fast but dirty guys & I guess calling him out really made him mad but even though I've finished next to last in every race with him he's finished last, he'll be gone for a bit after losing SR but I've had over 15 races with him this week so far & it's been the most fun I've had in months!

    From now on if someone is dirty I'll call them out in pre race, makes it a lot more fun making dirty drivers angry!