"Daily" Race Discussion

[PoisedPenguin]

Have been concentrating on Race C this week as Nurb GP was always a good track for me, but seems like everyone got a lot faster here (took a long break due to the birth of my daughter and trying to get my pace back up).

Started out with the Mustang which was fun but pushed a bit too much for me, then went to the Genesis with a 1:55.6xx qualifying time and was doing OK (7-10th place finishes), but not great by any stretch. Then switched to the Jag and got it down to a 1:55.2xx and placed 3rd & 4th in a couple races. Looking around the garage to see what could do better I found the Vantage and turned a 1:54.8xx but haven't been able to race with it yet. I'm a mid B driver in B/S rooms so this should be good for a top 3 spot in the race, hopefully I can get a couple wins by the end of the week.

My biggest problem is race pace. I can't seem to get close to my qualifying times in race (1:56.3xx has been my best lap in race). I've noticed other people in the rooms having the same issue, but really need to get my in race pace up to get a win here I think.

What is everyone using for tire strategy in C? I have been going with 5 Soft / 5 Medium, wondering if I should try to stretch the softs to 6, but the fronts are pretty trashed by the time I get to end of lap 5 and car starts pushing hard and losing lots of time.

I've got the same (I'm also mid B in the B/S rooms), lap times in race are some seconds of qualifying. I'm looking at fuel impact, but biggest factor imho is that in qualifying I take way bigger risks than in the race as I just need to nail one lap instead of surviving ten.
Tyre strategy for me has so far been 5/5. In the first race, with the Lancer, I tried a 4M/6S, but that didn't work.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Lower than P3 on grid I think the fastest strategy is 5/5 but I pit lap 4 on Mediums, usually into clean air and absolutely go hard for 2 laps to get track position then hang on for dear life. It sorta works as the fresh soft pace is lost squabbling in the first 2 laps.

Best example of this was a race 2 nights ago, I was in 6th, once we all pit I was in second but lost 2 places, still, finished 2 spots up from where I started as others got into squabbles and wasted the softs early.

For me, pace is down to the tyre wear, you never get a clean lap in. Your fresh sots are either lost on lap 1 or after you pit so you never complete a fresh soft lap and the tyre wear at NGP is absolutely BRUTAL. In saying that, i chew tires like a chunky guy on a twinky.

 

[87lc2]

Glad to see I'm not way off on tire strategy. When I was running earlier in the week with no qualy time and starting at the back i went 5M/5S and that worked well usually placing in the top 10. When starting near the front I feel like you have to start on softs to keep pace then hope you get clean air after your pit to mediums.

Feel better that its not just me unable to match qualy times, but after your explanation @NevilleNobody that makes perfect sense. You really never get a clean lap on softs so it's pretty much impossible to match your time.

 

[Groundfish]

My time there is 53.7. In race best was 54.9 typical was high 55 to mid 56 (with good racers)
With lesser racers there’s battling, plus bad lines done in front of you so you can’t take advantage.
Those said, I don’t care for how the driving feels there this time.
Softs drive weird and track grip is weird. It’s just tough to get good times overall. I’ve been good there a loooong time. Something with the grip is…off.
A race feels great though. Imo the 86 is about the perfect microcosm of the games physics/handling.
Everything you do to be fast in that car scales up perfectly to racecars.
In gr3 basically the cars stiffer and the input sequence is faster.

 

[87lc2]

53.7 is moving, nice. I agree about race c, while nowhere near the driver you are something just feels different, used to be really good at the track and something feels off.

Haven't driven race A this week, I'll give that a try also. Have always liked driving the 86, very balanced car and just feels "right".

 

[NevilleNobody]

I have felt NGP has felt weird for a long time, i was an absolute utter gun there but now feel like I am falling off the track on anything but fresh softs. I did a race last night with the RCF after enjoying it the night before and I COULD NOT get under a 1.59, whole time felt like i was on ice. I get in the Genesis and beetle and on the softs i start a t56 then bleed pout to a 59 6 laps later.

 

[BigSarj]

Try not to laugh but could it be because Race C is set during the evening at NGP? Slightly cooler track surface and all.

 

[Groundfish]

Try not to laugh but could it be because Race C is set during the evening at NGP? Slightly cooler track surface and all.

I think that has a bit of an affect, only in sport mode.
I’ve just felt some car behavior strange this week could be the way they programmed it.
Brands last week felt excellent.

@NevilleNobody
My take on this is it’s changes in the tire model in particular the temp/wear and grip behavior.
The effects are more prominent, but it’s also imo a bit of weirdness with the soft compound for me the way I feel it is sometimes the car turns in on rails, but mid corner if things aren’t just right it can push or oversteer very easy. Some corners it’ll push but feel like it’s on rails on some cars.
The softs are really touchy, almost like instead of more grip more confidence more grip makes it easy to upset the cars balance….
In any case the way time of day tires etc are on GP this week is touchy.
Imo too after being in an extremely high points lobby different lobbies seem to vary a bit handling wise.
It’s subtle but it’s real.
You get enough points in a lobby and imo the ffb is better, the car drives better…jmo

 

[O604]

NGP feels different to me too. Heavier turning radius ('16 Lexus). Feels like wheel my rotation settings were changed. Took me 3 tries to make the left after Schumacher (T11 ) at first and I was taking it slow, felt totally different than what I remember. But after I adjusted to that, my time is about the same maybe faster than usual.

 

[mrcasado296]

So I'm sat at B/S, I'm a solid driver and can finish top half most races. But I'm not getting near the win to threaten the gold trophy.

If I were to start races, then leave, my SR would take a hit. Two questions:

1) Any ideas how long it takes to drop back to low levels
2) If it drops to E or D do I stand a better chance. Or is it my DR score that needs to drop?

 

[Barra333]

So I'm sat at B/S, I'm a solid driver and can finish top half most races. But I'm not getting near the win to threaten the gold trophy.

If I were to start races, then leave, my SR would take a hit. Two questions:

1) Any ideas how long it takes to drop back to low levels
2) If it drops to E or D do I stand a better chance. Or is it my DR score that needs to drop?

Your DR would take a big hit from leaving races too, probably more so than the SR hit. How quickly you would drop would depend on your opposition. Dropping out of FIA races or Daily C would result in bigger losses thanks to the bigger grid.

A non-S DR or SR will drop you in lower ranked lobbies.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Your DR would take a big hit from leaving races too, probably more so than the SR hit. How quickly you would drop would depend on your opposition. Dropping out of FIA races or Daily C would result in bigger losses thanks to the bigger grid.

A non-S DR or SR will drop you in lower ranked lobbies.

I just ran a Race C on my son's account, he is D/S and the pole sitter, also DS had a 1:54 Q time. So it's no guarantee.

 

[Barra333]

I just ran a Race C on my son's account, he is D/S and the pole sitter, also DS had a 1:54 Q time. So it's no guarantee.

Yeah, there is always the chance of running up against someone else who has tanked their rating or started a new account.

 

[mrcasado296]

Cheers both, not sure I could deliberately sabotage my own score. Have to suck it and see, and just find that extra tenth here and there.

I predominantly run Race B in the VW, as does everybody else in the region. I'm 2 seconds off the top time in the region, just gets tighter the closer you get

 

[Barra333]

Cheers both, not sure I could deliberately sabotage my own score. Have to suck it and see, and just find that extra tenth here and there.

I predominantly run Race B in the VW, as does everybody else in the region. I'm 2 seconds off the top time in the region, just gets tighter the closer you get

If you are looking for wins without sabotaging your own score, try racing at off-peak hours if you can (weekdays, early mornings etc). Race A generally doesn't attract the top tier drivers either.

 

[PoisedPenguin]

Qualified for Race C in the Jag, 1:54.6 gave me pole. Had a 9s gap going into the pits, but got caught in traffic. 6s it was a lap later with an AMG on softs chasing me down fast. I might have made it, were it not for a penalty on the penultimate lap chicane. He caught up before the last straight, nothing I could do.. Well, shove him off of course, but I usually don't do that. Ah well, racing in the front and a 2nd place is a good result anyway.

 

[05XR8]

Race B is so comforting. I was the only TT and Genesis in three races(one two others ran different cars too). Let the Sciroccos duke it out for the same space. They've been going 4 wide into turns.
Pass them through corner exits and on the straights with penalties. Give them room for the obvious dive bombs into T1 and the first Stop Sign hairpin. Be patient at the final Stop Sign hairpin. They'll run wide there. Collect $200 at the finish.

Ran Genesis Race C. I wasn't as quick as I was in the RSR, but the car is stable. Started P2 with a red dot pole sitter. Me and P3 gave the car space because we couldn't pick where it'd be on track.

It eventually took itself out and I pulled away from the field. Something happened behind me, because the RSR fell way back and an RC F was in P2. After pit stops, I pulled away on the RS.
At the finish, RC F was P2 and all of a sudden dropped to last, ahead of a DNF. The RSR shows as P2, but the RC F didn't have the 1 minute penalty. Weird.

I'll do more Race B. Love that track since it debuted.

 

[Yard_Sale]

My main American count is sinking fast and I'm only a hair above 30,000. So I decided to work on my alt Euro acct. Got my qualy down to 1:55 flat on "C", and my rating to B/S. That equally seems to be good enough for P1-3 in B lobbies. Racing has been really clean up front, just wish I recognized more of the flags. My race pace seems to be good with me circulating in the 1:56's on softs, and 1:57-.58's on the mediums. However I just can't seem to put together a good enough qualifying lap to stand a chance in an A lobby. I just end up getting ping-ponged in the back of the pack and finish 3-5 spots back from where I started.

Hopefully next weeks combo suits me better so I can see if I have "A" pace for real

 

[D_Dragline]

I would appreciate people's views on the incidents in this video. I'm in the red RSR.

From my perspective, I'm on softs, he's on meds and I got a run through the right hander at the top of the hill. I didn't think of this as a dive since we're both on the throttle by the time I get overlap. I'm assuming his reaction at the chicane suggests he thought it was a dirty move.

Was it?



Edit: I just watched it and realised it's not the best perspective to see what's happening. I'll tray and upload a better version.

 

[Redneckchef]

I would appreciate people's views on the incidents in this video. I'm in the red RSR.

From my perspective, I'm on softs, he's on meds and I got a run through the right hander at the top of the hill. I didn't think of this as a dive since we're both on the throttle by the time I get overlap. I'm assuming his reaction at the chicane suggests he thought it was a dirty move.

Was it?



Edit: I just watched it and realised it's not the best perspective to see what's happening. I'll tray and upload a better version.

Honestly it looked like he just was a little loose and didnt expect you to be able to cut inside there. Felt you pushed your way through. But it looked like you had all 4 on the black and contact was incidental. I would have been annoyed if I was him as well, but more on having slid to let the door open.

 

[PhlebMike]

Honestly it looked like he just was a little loose and didnt expect you to be able to cut inside there. Felt you pushed your way through. But it looked like you had all 4 on the black and contact was incidental. I would have been annoyed if I was him as well, but more on having laid to let the door open.

I would have to agree. Perhaps a touch overly aggressive, but otherwise clean. His response was a little over the top, especially since he already had the penalty. I think the smart move might have been to stay on his tail and gain the position at the line. Just my two cents.

 

[D_Dragline]

Honestly it looked like he just was a little loose and didnt expect you to be able to cut inside there. Felt you pushed your way through. But it looked like you had all 4 on the black and contact was incidental. I would have been annoyed if I was him as well, but more on having slid to let the door open.

I would have to agree. Perhaps a touch overly aggressive, but otherwise clean. His response was a little over the top, especially since he already had the penalty. I think the smart move might have been to stay on his tail and gain the position at the line. Just my two cents.

This version is my perspective in race. I was surprised when he ended up on my side of the track as I had stayed very tight through the turn. I had no intention of trying to overtake him before the line but the difference in run out of that sequence of turns was so big and I had 2 other cars hustling behind me.

 

[Barra333]

With a closing speed like that from him running wide, I'm not sure where else you were meant to go.

 

[05XR8]

Nah, forget all that. He was loose through the esses, frustrated with the red dunce cap with a car closing in and no countersteer when he went loose on the right-hander. All good from that view.

 

[BigSarj]

This version is my perspective in race. I was surprised when he ended up on my side of the track as I had stayed very tight through the turn. I had no intention of trying to overtake him before the line but the difference in run out of that sequence of turns was so big and I had 2 other cars hustling behind me.

Screw that guy. He got in your way.

Edit - I still don't understand what kind of line he was taking there. Why was he trying to go back inside? Your first video had me thinking he had lost some control but, no, that was just weird driving imo.

 

[Groundfish]

Good evening friends,

Tonight I enjoyed some nice races in the Mustang and M3 (only once, M3 handles nice but not enough POW POW) so I decided to run the RCZ.
I hate that car in race. My trail brake really messes it up when it has tire wear. Late first stint I upset the car made mistakes was punted then tried to hold my ground and was mugged. Never race that car again! Boom A SR after trying to drift and doing donuts and hitting walls….
So back to Mustang for a recovery drive. Everything was fine until end of first stint I was unsuccessful in my first attempt to find the pit lane. I smashed the wall head on for a dead stop!
I was trying to get collected and second place got into the pits.
Out in second on the meds with 4 to go. I chased down the lead 911 and was waiting for my opening and then the 911 started stuff final lap end of first technical section.
I got his inside with a run exiting and he starts with the tap tap and dives in on me trying to spin me!
Lol wrong move dummy.
I took the win. I would have preferred to take him right but he had to start in. Lol 911 vs Mustang! Get on with your bad self! Lmao.
Done for tonight-time to eat and watch replays.

 

[BigSarj]

Good evening friends,

Tonight I enjoyed some nice races in the Mustang and M3 (only once, M3 handles nice but not enough POW POW) so I decided to run the RCZ.
I hate that car in race. My trail brake really messes it up when it has tire wear. Late first stint I upset the car made mistakes was punted then tried to hold my ground and was mugged. Never race that car again! Boom A SR after trying to drift and doing donuts and hitting walls….
So back to Mustang for a recovery drive. Everything was fine until end of first stint I was unsuccessful in my first attempt to find the pit lane. I smashed the wall head on for a dead stop!
I was trying to get collected and second place got into the pits.
Out in second on the meds with 4 to go. I chased down the lead 911 and was waiting for my opening and then the 911 started stuff final lap end of first technical section.
I got his inside with a run exiting and he starts with the tap tap and dives in on me trying to spin me!
Lol wrong move dummy.
I took the win. I would have preferred to take him right but he had to start in. Lol 911 vs Mustang! Get on with your bad self! Lmao.
Done for tonight-time to eat and watch replays.

I saw a Basic Ollie race where a guy did that same thing into the pit wall. Take solace that you gave whoever was behind you a good laugh.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I would appreciate people's views on the incidents in this video. I'm in the red RSR.

From my perspective, I'm on softs, he's on meds and I got a run through the right hander at the top of the hill. I didn't think of this as a dive since we're both on the throttle by the time I get overlap. I'm assuming his reaction at the chicane suggests he thought it was a dirty move.

Was it?



Edit: I just watched it and realised it's not the best perspective to see what's happening. I'll tray and upload a better version.

Gut reaction is that you hit him but I thought hmmmmm you seemed to stay tight and the merc headed into your space. The second video confirms this, you keep a great line, nbi what he was upset about cos it was him that drifted right.

I am done for the week, got qualy down to a 54.7 but I still die at the end of stints on used rubber. 3 races, 2 of them absolute bash fests, one guy in particular was pin ponging everywhere, what a small pecker he has for sure.

Best race was with groundfish, he was p1, I was p2. A VERY fast B driver got past me and the three of us spread out a bit then something happened and boom the fish was 3rd, right behind me after his stop. I decided to let him through because I figured he would get me anyways and maybe if he caught the 911, they might take each other out cos i found the 911 super aggressive when he passed me. Wasn't to be, fish won and no one in the sand.

I do recommend, if starting say further back then 5th or so, starting on mediums and pitting lap 4 for the undercut. After being barged off I was p7 in a race tonight, after we had all pit I was p4, gaining 6 seconds by nailing my out lap.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

This version is my perspective in race. I was surprised when he ended up on my side of the track as I had stayed very tight through the turn. I had no intention of trying to overtake him before the line but the difference in run out of that sequence of turns was so big and I had 2 other cars hustling behind me.

You did absolutely nothing wrong, he did plenty. First he is erratic in the esses then he takes a wrong line and run wide. I guess he see you and the other cars coming and wanted to stop you from passing so he does an illegal block move and it doesn't work. Then he just looses his mind and go full ID-10-T error on you. In any real life race he would have been blacklisted had you both made it in one piece from the wrecks.

 

[D_Dragline]

Screw that guy. He got in your way.

Edit - I still don't understand what kind of line he was taking there. Why was he trying to go back inside? Your first video had me thinking he had lost some control but, no, that was just weird driving imo.

You did absolutely nothing wrong, he did plenty. First he is erratic in the esses then he takes a wrong line and run wide. I guess he see you and the other cars coming and wanted to stop you from passing so he does an illegal block move and it doesn't work. Then he just looses his mind and go full ID-10-T error on you. In any real life race he would have been blacklisted had you both made it in one piece from the wrecks.

It was very weird. In race I thought I’d given plenty of room and couldn’t work out how we made contact on the right hander. I was not expecting the full send/sideswipe at the chicane. That made me second guess myself as to whether I might have done something dirty without realizing.

Sentiment seems to be my first instinct was right. Just a brain snap from the other driver.