do you guys think polyphony and turn 10 could ever collaborate?

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Agree with the first part.

100 percent disagree with the second part. A racing game of gt5/Forza caliber with the current technology of PCs would NOT suck.

Sorry but in my humble annoying opinion PC gaming trumps consul gaming always. A current PC destroys PS3 or XBOX360 in a way that makes them both pretty sad. I love my PS3 for the fun it allows me online with friends, but every time I switch it on I know I'm nowhere near the potential of what a processing computer can do.

This is the reason I would never buy crossover games for a consul. Think about it. Halo was better on PC in multiple ways, including the ability to mouse/keyboard, graphics, etc. And that game defined xbox, so what is that saying? I would have never bought Alice Madness Returns for PS3. For one, the PS3 version lacks the detailed physics engine of the PC version and the graphics are better. Not to mention the original Alice (my favorite video game ever released on anything) was on PC originally. And while I appreciate them broadening their audience, no thanks. Battlefield 3? Duke Nukem Forever? Cry-anything? Portal 2? All much, much more phenomenal on PC. What's to say GT or FMS wouldn't be just as epic? Your PC and PS3 are pretty much the same thing except one you can add parts to.

But I am extremely biased. Like, extremely biased. Grew up on DOS games throughout my childhood. So, feel free to disagree with prejudice.

But yeah, it would never happen.

I agree about the PC thing. Console games are like tarts with a tonne of makeup slapped on to look nice, remove the makeup and the next morning it's like WOAH I slept with THAT?!!

PC games are naturally attractive and give you WAY more in the detail department.

The cost argument is a crock as well. I still have my PC that I got in 2007 and only had a small recent GFX card upgrade for 100 pounds (in that time I've bought a 360 and PS3 for around 500 quid).

Also my PC does WAY more than my 360 and PS3. A HUGE part of the cost of the PC is it does WAY more than just play games.

BTW Tower Turn, have you signed up to the C.A.R.S. project? I'm going to push for elements of the GTs and Forzas in that.
 
Unless you have enough to buy Sony and Microsoft out with +1 billion USD, it would never happen. And in the event that Microsoft or Sony goes up for sale, the latter would buy out the former before someone else could have a chance to do so.

However:

Microsoft Computers(PCs?) + Sony TVs + Xbox360-PS3 console mutation + universal console to play all games on (think Gears of War and GT5 on the same console) = Ultimate Electronics Company/Corporation?
 
And all the guys from the two companies would sit around the fire and Kaz and the bearded guy would strummed their guitars and sing kumbaya- **** that!
 
As T10 copies GT more and more and do other things better than PD, with FM6 we will get the perfect Forza Turismo.
 
I get your point but I have to disagree even on the price point (I should say, in some aspects; your points do carry validity).

a.) pc games seem to be slightly cheaper than consul games.
you know why? this will make you laugh....
cause console games have a +20% on the price that goes to the console makers :grumpy:.....greedy #@%

b.) you don't have to buy a new system every time you upgrade. Technology lowers in price so quickly that if you just back off ONE generation of gfx card you save a tremendous amount and still get a lot out of it.
oh come on mate, just the pc case and the psu is half the price of a PS3...and you know it pretty well that it is in human nature that eventually you'll want more. A better gfx card, more ram or something.

c.) I bought a gaming pc that is not 2011 good (we cut corners when building it), it cost about $600 US dollars including case and everything. That's about what a good PS3 cost when it came out. And my computer even being slightly older gen graphics card etc. still obliterates the PS3.
That was (almost) the price of a ps3 when it was released back in 2006. You've build your gaming PC back in 2006 with just 600 and you can play, lets say Crysis with everything maxed out?.....i really do not think so.

Now, I love PS3. But hell yes I would LOVE to at least have the option to play GT on my computer. Imagine what it would do online! Imagine how they could improve the physics!
No argue to that.

However it is rather moot since GT5 is a consul mover as is FMS4. But I don't think PC gamers and consul gamers will ever really see eye to eye on the matter anyway. I respect your opinion.
The problem to begin with is that Consoles due to fight piracy cant be upgraded. e.x. the CPU of the PS3 even though that is 6 years old is still a too powerful CPU to have, but the rest of the PS3 is outdated.
Cause sony back then, wanted to release the PS3 with BD player, cut every corner possible to reduce final price (even the ram).
So, the PS3 may have sold many units as (the cheapest) BD player in its time but the performance (in general, and for what it was made for in first place, "games") become very quickly outdated.

Yeap no console will ever be equal to pc cause:
-None console maker are willing to release a console that can be hardware upgraded cause they are afraid:
1-piracy
2-the 3rd party upgraded parts
3-who wants a console that will make you buy upgrade parts to play a game?

-They also cant release a high-end console with a price tag of 2000euros, cause no one will buy it.

-Who wants a console that will consume 600-1000watts to play a game?

- Have in mind that kids also use consoles, they also must be simple in use.

IMO The consoles for what they are made for, are close enough to the point that keeps everyone happy, gamers of any age + parents that just want to buy a simple thing for their children to play with + console makers + game developers.
 
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The problem to begin with is that Consoles due to fight piracy cant be upgraded. e.x. the CPU of the PS3 even though that is 6 years old is still a too powerful CPU to have, but the rest of the PS3 is outdated.
Cause sony back then, wanted to release the PS3 with BD player, cut every corner possible to reduce final price (even the ram).

Well, there's no doubt some corners were cut to achieve a price point but in the first few years the PS3 was produced and sold by Sony at a loss. I remember reading somewhere that it's $20 or $40 loss per unit meaning that while selling it for $599, the cost to manufacture one is in the vicinity of $639.

But unlike the PS3 we have now, the 1st gen PS3 had more features- besides playing BD it also plays SACD (higher fidelity CD), had memory card reader, bigger PSU and more USB ports. I actually bought one- the 80GB unit and it was a brick- the weight that is although it did eventually turned into a door-stopping brick.
 
Turn 10 would have nothing to gain from such an arrangement. They've
already universally exceeded Pd critically, and matched and surpassed them on virtually all fronts. (Equips Flame Shielld), The King is dead, long live the king. Why should a company in the ascendancy (Turn 10), collaborate on one that's treading water, trading on past Glories?
GT5 was a great disappointment to many, and I believe this is bound to have a major impact on the sales and reception of GT6. If this series does not evolve with the times it will die/ become irrelevant. As someone whose been playing the series from the start, I think that would be a sad end to one of my favourite game series.

I really hope PD can find their mojo once again, because I think it's been fading since Gt3.
A Long time.
 
To be honest, I've played racing games on the PC and to me, I wasn't particularly impressed by the graphics nor the fun factor. Give me GT5 and Forza 4 any day. Miles better.

Which games were you playing? older gen sims like rFactor? The problem is pc racing games are mostly sims, and most sims focus more on the...simminess, than the graphics.

I look at it as those sims are for hobbyists, who love racing the way it really is and want to experience it as closely as possible via physics. GT5 and Forza are for people who want to have fun without putting down thousands of laps because their priorities aren't there or they don't want to/can't dedicate the time and want to have fun with their friends whenever it fits into their schedule. They don't want to have to be literal pro drivers to succeed, as there are other games out there to play and things to do with their lives.

GT5 and Forza are not miles better than iRacing, depending on your priorities, though of course they have their draws and fun factors. But even the graphics of iRacing 2.0 are great when you ratchet up all the graphic options. The net guard in the car window flaps in the wind for God's sake. Unfortunately it seems to be one of the few out there that look AND feel good. And if GT went to PC I'm sure PD would focus on graphics big time, versus the tiny companies making sims currently for PC, who are almost exclusively concerned with tire models, car and track modeling, and race physics.

However, I feel my general statement about PC games stands, and either Turn 10 or PD, coming from consul gaming, would have a field day with the graphic possibilities of their PC adaptations.

But you guys do get that your consuls are like PCs whose warranties break if you open them up, right? And they're only going to get closer and closer to the same thing, just always more limited in adaptability (like a mac :yuck:). They already contain harddrives, play music and movies, etc.

I don't get the PC hate, personally. I love my PS3 for what it does. I love GT5 for what it does. I love my PC for all the joy it brings me. I love iRacing and other sims for all the sweat they put into their realism.

I also don't see an issue with a semi-sim like GT/FMS coming to PC, whether or not the two companies worked together on it. I'd be less surprised to see Forza, though, since Microsoft is more heavily involved in PC development than Sony is.

Check out this iRacing 2.0 vid, as a testament to its graphics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIVTprFUeyw

(I bring this hate on myself, don't I?)
 
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To all who say "never" if we can play a sonic game on a nintendo system than anything is possible!!! If for what ever reason Sony or Microsoft were to get out of the console business, you would see gt on a Microsoft machine and vise versa.
 
Turn 10 would have nothing to gain from such an arrangement. They've
already universally exceeded Pd critically, and matched and surpassed them on virtually all fronts.
That's an extremely personal opinion that isn't universally shared.

Forza has some good points to it, such as the marvelous livery editor, and some aspects of the physics are great in Forza 4. But I don't feel like I'm in control with the cars in F4, and I sure can't drive those cars like I can any car in real life or in a PC sim. I spent literally all day and night Sunday trying different cars on Spa, and had no desire to go back to Forza.

I don't get the PC hate, personally. I love my PS3 for what it does. I love GT5 for what it does. I love my PC for all the joy it brings me. I love iRacing and other sims for all the sweat they put into their realism.
You mean iRenting? Whoever coined that clever play on words deserves a batch of net cookies. ;)

PCs are great for hosting sims and shooters, and for a while, I enjoyed the GTRs and Live For Speed. But they're very dry, stale, lifeless games compared to Forza or Gran Turismo. GT spoiled me. I can't get enough of those hundreds of cars. The physics are very close to a PC sim, so close that Prologue made me drop them completely.

Graphics wise, I agree with the naysayers. PC graphics are nice for what they are, but the only people who seem to prefer them are pixel counters, and 720p is more than adequate resolution for gaming. Physics wise, the PS3 can be a monster, not having Windoze to bog it down. And console developers do all the upgrading for me with better tools, experience and optimizations every year. I haven't bought a PC game in years until I bought DNF and BF3 this year, and probably get MW3, but that will do me fine for aother few years.

As for the OT, forget Turn 10. Kaz should team up with the Live For Speed team, and then add in a livery editor and extensive customization for all cars. I'd never look at another racer again.
 
@ tenacious, t10 have critically surpassed pd, it's not opinion (check metacritic) it's
fact. The rest of the sentence is more subjective and open to debate,
 
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@ tenacious, t10 have critically surpassed pd, it's not opinion (check metacritic) it's
fact.

Surely all reviews are opinion therefore can't be fact (unless it is a fact that someone has an opinion?)

So it is factual popular opinion that Turn10 are critically surpassing Polyphony.

What is critically surpassing? That they are fairing better in the eyes of critics? Since when have critics ever been right about anything?

:dopey:
 
axl54
@ tenacious, t10 have critically surpassed pd, it's not opinion (check metacritic) it's
fact.

metacritic?? Metacritic is not fact. everything that's taken into account on that site is opinion. Even worse are the inclusion of official magazine scores that are so painfully biased it's close to comedy.
I could have accepted your opinion and agreed that you prefer one series over another but you used the single worst source to back your opinion up. You made it worthless.
 
@ tenacious, t10 have critically surpassed pd, it's not opinion (check metacritic) it's
fact. The rest of the sentence is more subjective and open to debate,

But Microsoft could learn at least one thing from Sony....LOGITECH SUPPORT!!!
 
metacritic?? Metacritic is not fact. everything that's taken into account on that site is opinion. Even worse are the inclusion of official magazine scores that are so painfully biased it's close to comedy.
I could have accepted your opinion and agreed that you prefer one series over another but you used the single worst source to back your opinion up. You made it worthless.

read my post, then tenacious d's response then PLEASE try to use your brain.
There's good and bad reviewers out there and they are all subjective, but when taken as a whole these opinions ARE (agree with them or not) the critical response to the
game, and it is a fact that the Forza series has surpassed gt CRITICALLY a long time
ago.
I cited metacritic because i was called out for presenting opinion as fact.
 
If Forza may be more critically acclaimed, but they are way behind GT in terms of what they have done for the auto industry and racing.

It's turning gamers into real racers. Forza has AutoVista.

GT has GT Academy. I think GT still has the "woah" factor over Forza.

If both companies collaborated though the product will be masterful.
 
Why would it be on PC? I don't see the point in PC gaming, having to upgrade your processor and graphics card every six months doesn't make sense to me, I'm not dropping close to $400 a year to have slightly better graphics and physics. And I honestly don't see what T10 would bring to the table, other than better priorities. (like a livery editor, more AMERICAN sports cars, etc.) If you gave PD all of T10's money and somehow got Kaz's priorities strait you wouldn't need T10.
 
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oh come on mate, just the pc case and the psu is half the price of a PS3...and you know it pretty well that it is in human nature that eventually you'll want more. A better gfx card, more ram or something.

But the difference is a decent case and PSU can last several generations. My PSU has a 5 year warranty, for instance, and an expected lifetime of thirty years (God knows how they tested that...). My monitors also transcend upgrades happily; and they're cheaper (and better for gaming) than TVs. Ironically, thanks to the consoles, the current spread of game-able hardware is vast, meaning very old hardware can still run modern games to some extent. I personally upgrade every four years, but I use my PC for all sorts of things besides gaming.

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That was (almost) the price of a ps3 when it was released back in 2006. You've build your gaming PC back in 2006 with just 600 and you can play, lets say Crysis with everything maxed out?.....i really do not think so.

Current hardware still cannot run Crysis "maxed-out" (so, 3x 2560x1600 or more) at 60Hz without resorting to multi-processor solutions. My current build can run it at 720p comfortably (> 60Hz), though, and that was a generation or two behind in 2008. That's more than can be said about the consoles, which actually use the newer, optimised CryEngine 3. (Note that Crysis Warhead brought performance improvements to the PC and still used CryEngine 2.)

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-Who wants a console that will consume 600-1000watts to play a game?

Your average current mainstream computer, still capable of whipping the arse off a PS3, would probably consume more energy than a slim (which requires half the power of a fat) in games, excluding speakers and monitor / TV in both cases - at idle they'd be comparable, however. PCs are pushing the boundaries of energy efficiency in terms of "performance per Watt" far more than the consoles are, simply because the upgrades come faster, and far more PCs are sold than consoles for a wider range of tasks, e.g. server farms etc.

sdf
- Have in mind that kids also use consoles, they also must be simple in use.

My first computer was a ZX-Spectrum; it used a command-line interface; I was eight. How hard is it to type a few words to run a game, let alone click on something? Simplicity isn't the issue, compatibility is. More and more games are buggy on release because of random incompatibilities. Interestingly, consoles are suffering bugs more now, too, and some of the varied joys of PC games such as updates, DLC, day one patches, bugs / features inconsistent across hardware, installation requirements, limited hard-drive space (hence data-management) etc. Contrast this to a lack of flexibility in both hardware and software as compared with a PC, including mods, multi-tasking etc. and it seems the consoles are inheriting a limited selection of the advantages, as well as some of the disadvantages of PCs, blurring the line somewhat.

sdf
IMO The consoles for what they are made for, are close enough to the point that keeps everyone happy, gamers of any age + parents that just want to buy a simple thing for their children to play with + console makers + game developers.

Yeah, consoles are great for what they can do. So are PCs.


On topic: it's clearly never going to happen. I'm apprehensive about this C.A.R.S. thing, too; SMS have only disappointed me recently, and these "kick start" type things are also a bit hit-and-miss. I might stick my oar in none-the-less, just to see what happens.

@ axl54 why should we take some arbitrarily and inconsistently derived supposed metric of "goodness of game" to be anything more than opinion? Metacritic's scoring is not "fact" anymore than IGN's is. Don't even get me started on the typical 7-9 scale used by most outlets, and the outright fallacy of even assigning a number score to a game, something that is all about individual experience! When I visit Metacritic, I focus on the words, not the numbers, and I practically ignore the "professional" reviews...
 
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