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It looks like the pit loss for the Nations race is literally 2s. Unless you can get 8-9 laps out of the Softs, there's no point in doing anything less than a 2-stopper. My practice race lap was 2:05, pit in lap was 2:11, and the out lap was 2:01, so a 6s slower in lap combined with a 4s faster outlap is about a 2s pit time loss.
 
Dead_Melkor
If I understood correctly, there is a specific day where races happen (in this case, May 12th). I can register at only one race, and I'll score points based on my performance. At the end of a period of time, which I believe it's May 30th, the driver with most points will be able to participate in the Nations Cup. Is that right?
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No.

The FIA season is cleaved into three 10-race blocks. Nations Cup is a case of driving whatever you fancy, or are given, for that race, while Manufacturer Series requires you to drive one Gr.4 car and one Gr.3 car from a manufacturer that you choose at the start and are locked into until the end of all 30 races - this year there will be a chance to change manufacturer after the first block of ten races, because there's a new Gr.3 car available then, but you will lose all points you have accumulated in the first ten races in the Manufacturer Series (unless you switch from Mazda to Mazda; don't ask).

Each event runs on two days each week. For 2020 these are:
Nations Cup - Tuesday, Saturday
Manufacturer Series - Wednesday, Saturday

There are four races for each event on each day it runs, unless you are in Europe. You may enter as many of them as you wish however only the last race you participate in counts towards your points score.

After the ten rounds, your best three round scores are added up to give you a total. The top players in the Nations Cup, with certain limits on how many from each region and country, would then qualify for the Nations Cup, while the three top players at each manufacturer from across the five regions would qualify for the Manufacturer Series if their manufacturer qualifies in the top 16 worldwide. These finals would be held at World Tour events, with one for each block of ten races, while the top players from across the 30 races (by the best ten scores) would qualify for the World Final.

However, this year it looks rather like the World Tours and World Final will now not take place - due to... well, you-know-what.


There's more information here:
https://www.gtplanet.net/gt-sport-fia-2020-season-schedule-20200421/

https://www.gtplanet.net/no-live-events-planned-for-2020-fia-gran-turismo-championship/
Dead_Melkor
Also, there are something like "best cars"? I saw some people complaining that drivers are choosing only 2 or 3 models to race.
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Yes. You will often see these referred to as "meta" - short for "most effective tactic available".

Some cars simply suit some tracks - and some races - better than others. Tracks with long straights and not many bends are suited to powerful cars with long gears. Twisty tracks are suited to agile cars with less weight.

You'll probably spot that all the qualifying times for Gr.4 Nations this Tuesday are the front-wheel drive cars. That's because they have the least amount of weight and plenty of power. But as soon as you add tyre wear into the mix, they're in trouble because they have half the tyre life, or worse, of some of the other Gr.4 cars.

That will probably lead to less powerful but similarly light cars, and mid-engined, rear-wheel drive, being the car of choice. The Alfa Romeo 4C used to be a favourite, but it's a bit more skittish recently. You might see a Porsche Cayman, or a Toyota GT86 (front-engined, I know, but it's usually up there). You will definitely see a lot of Megane Trophy V6s; they're basically Gr.3 cars (spaceframe chassis, silhouette body, quasi-production engine) but shoehorned into Gr.4 for some reason, and they're light, tyre-friendly, have high downforce, and the best brakes in the class. They're also horrifyingly slow on the straights, so at somewhere like Monza they'd be hopeless. Nurburgring has a couple of faster sections they might struggle at, but they're a safe bet.

The concept of meta cars makes Manufacturer Series tricky, because you're locked in to just two cars - one in Gr.4, one in Gr.3. In essence you really need to pick your brand by its Gr.3 car and ignore the Gr.4 car; if the Gr.4 car can pick you up some points, great, but the variety of drivetrains, power, weight and so on make it incredibly hard to pick a car that's never crap. With Gr.3 it's basically mid- or front-engine - the cars ought to be pretty close in power and weight, but there are still sometimes cars that are just better at some tracks...
 
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Mistah_MCA
I'm only agreeing with this for now because I'm in the Porsche. :lol:
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Tell me about it. Work my butt off for a 4:02 in that car. I’m not super fast but It’s like a slow drip torture watching that time delta for four minutes at a time. I do expect racing is better than practice, and hopefully the tow allows you to cover up some mistakes in the chicanes.
 
Famine
No.

The FIA season is cleaved into three 10-race blocks. Nations Cup is a case of driving whatever you fancy, or are given, for that race, while Manufacturer Series requires you to drive one Gr.4 car and one Gr.3 car from a manufacturer that you choose at the start and are locked into until the end of all 30 races - this year there will be a chance to change manufacturer after the first block of ten races, because there's a new Gr.3 car available then, but you will lose all points you have accumulated in the first ten races in the Manufacturer Series (unless you switch from Mazda to Mazda; don't ask).

Each event runs on two days each week. For 2020 these are:
Nations Cup - Tuesday, Saturday
Manufacturer Series - Wednesday, Saturday

There are four races for each event on each day it runs, unless you are in Europe. You may enter as many of them as you wish however only the last race you participate in counts towards your points score.

After the ten rounds, your best three round scores are added up to give you a total. The top players in the Nations Cup, with certain limits on how many from each region and country, would then qualify for the Nations Cup, while the three top players at each manufacturer from across the five regions would qualify for the Manufacturer Series if their manufacturer qualifies in the top 16 worldwide. These finals would be held at World Tour events, with one for each block of ten races, while the top players from across the 30 races (by the best ten scores) would qualify for the World Final.

However, this year it looks rather like the World Tours and World Final will now not take place - due to... well, you-know-what.


There's more information here:
https://www.gtplanet.net/gt-sport-fia-2020-season-schedule-20200421/

https://www.gtplanet.net/no-live-events-planned-for-2020-fia-gran-turismo-championship/

Yes. You will often see these referred to as "meta" - short for "most effective tactic available".

Some cars simply suit some tracks - and some races - better than others. Tracks with long straights and not many bends are suited to powerful cars with long gears. Twisty tracks are suited to agile cars with less weight.

You'll probably spot that all the qualifying times for Gr.4 Nations this Tuesday are the front-wheel drive cars. That's because they have the least amount of weight and plenty of power. But as soon as you add tyre wear into the mix, they're in trouble because they have half the tyre life, or worse, of some of the other Gr.4 cars.

That will probably lead to less powerful but similarly light cars, and mid-engined, rear-wheel drive, being the car of choice. The Alfa Romeo 4C used to be a favourite, but it's a bit more skittish recently. You might see a Porsche Cayman, or a Toyota GT86 (front-engined, I know, but it's usually up there). You will definitely see a lot of Megane Trophy V6s; they're basically Gr.3 cars (spaceframe chassis, silhouette body, quasi-production engine) but shoehorned into Gr.4 for some reason, and they're light, tyre-friendly, have high downforce, and the best brakes in the class. They're also horrifyingly slow on the straights, so at somewhere like Monza they'd be hopeless. Nurburgring has a couple of faster sections they might struggle at, but they're a safe bet.

The concept of meta cars makes Manufacturer Series tricky, because you're locked in to just two cars - one in Gr.4, one in Gr.3. In essence you really need to pick your brand by its Gr.3 car and ignore the Gr.4 car; if the Gr.4 car can pick you up some points, great, but the variety of drivetrains, power, weight and so on make it incredibly hard to pick a car that's never crap. With Gr.3 it's basically mid- or front-engine - the cars ought to be pretty close in power and weight, but there are still sometimes cars that are just better at some tracks...
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Thank you so much for the time and effort for such explanation.
 
So it appears I have to retract my earlier statement...the pit time in practice is way shorter than it is for a race. I lost roughly 10s on a pitstop in an actual mock race, so a 2-stopper won't be worth it. Since I suck at conserving tires, I'll probably be doing 4S/6M while my Cayman gets eaten alive by a room of 4Cs and Slophies...
 
I know most members here, love video games. For those of us that play Gran Turismo, it is a part of our lives. It's a great franchise, but... We do more racing than any one real race driver. Multiple Daily races just doing one event. Then, do the other two multiple times. Then, Free Practice Nations. Free Practice Manu, for hours. Then, Custom Races. Then, livery editor, etc.
Players that have time to play long hours, like me, if you can't go outside, stretch. Play standing up(using a DS4)

Take at least a day off. At least for mental health reasons. I understand, some may actually need to play the game, to help with basic motor functions. However, in general, it's okay to step away. The reality is, we're not missing anything when we do step away.
KosmoKazi
Tell me about it. Work my butt off for a 4:02 in that car. I’m not super fast but It’s like a slow drip torture watching that time delta for four minutes at a time. I do expect racing is better than practice, and hopefully the tow allows you to cover up some mistakes in the chicanes.
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We'll see. Even with the X2 fuel, might be a problem on the RM.
I did a Custom Race and my Mustang was able to hold on to it's RH all race, with no problems. If I use the RMs, I'd probably be in trouble, on the final two laps, with wear and fuel.

The braking is where it's at for la Sarthe. Any bit of sliding into and around a corner and those tyres are toast.
 
Razgriz2118
So, tried out the Lancer, 4C, and Megane Trophy in free practice to see how I liked the feel of them.

Lancer, BB +3: Understeer. Understeers a lot, but is extremely stable through the corners. I can definitely see my tires getting shredded though with how it drives. Best lap was a 2:02.9 with a 2:02.8 optimum but I could only lap around 2:03.7-2:03.9 consistently. I just for the life of me could not figure out how to brake in a way this thing liked.

4C, BB -2: Very agile but also unstable. It has very nice turn in but likes to slide a lot, so I can see the rear tires getting worn out without careful management. Because of the tendacy to slide I couldn't come to terms with it. Best lap was a 2:03.5 with a 2:03.1 optimum but I was lapping in the 2:03.8-2:04.1 range consistently.

Megane Trophy, BB +2: My pick of the three. Has understeer but is very predictable and controllable with trail braking and throttle modulation, which also gives it nice turn in. I also felt it was best on the brakes out of the three. It can slide a little but it doesn't feel as unstable as the 4C was. Best lap was a 2:03.1 with a 2:02.5 optimum and a 2:03.1-2:03.6 consistent lap time range.

Now to go make an Erusean Ace Combat livery for it since Erusea is like an angry France.


EDIT: Decided to try the Cayman out since it's my manufacturer car and there were quite a few people in them during a practice race. With BB at 0, I made a 2:02.7 best lap with a 2:02.4 optimum and I could average 2:03.0-2:03.5 consistently. I might actually go with the Cayman instead because it definitely suits my driving better, it rotates so much more easily via easing off the throttle and light trail braking than the Megane Trophy does, and with tire wear on it wasn't much worse than the Megane Trophy. On both of those cars I could only make Racing Softs last 6 laps before needing to pit.
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I tested in much the same approach, including throwing my Manufacturers Cayman in at the end as a litmus test. It actually felt to me that it would be the easiest to handle in a race with tire wear, and while I was planning to go back to the trusty Renault, I ended up leaning toward running the Porsche come race time.
 
Since I am on a normal work schedule now, will try and jump in for the last couple Nations Cup races tomorrow. Bought a fresh car for the occasion, livery reveal tomorrow at the track. ;)

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I still don't get how the Lancer is as quick as it is. The gearing and torque seem wrong to be as quick as it is. The GT-R and Atenza should be the fast ones.

Edit: Well, here we go...
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Edit2: Hope the FF cars don't get eager and punt me off. Don't know why they'd run those cars in a long tyre wear race.
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Edit3: YES, BABY! YES! I beat the Slophys! Those were my targets. No fuel conserving at all.

Messed up my strategy. Wes going for RS/RM/RS. Did RS/RS/RM. I think that helped my chase down the Slophy and build a big gap by the second stint.
Final stop, I was able to catch and pass both the GT-R then, the 458.

Had a superb start, but that Slophy driven by that "v" player, tried to move me wide into T1 and kept barging cars ahead. Anyway, I'm happy.
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05XR8
I still don't get how the Lancer is as quick as it is. The gearing and torque seem wrong to be as quick as it is. The GT-R and Atenza should be the fast ones.

Edit: Well, here we go...
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Edit2: Hope the FF cars don't get eager and punt me off. Don't know why they'd run those cars in a long tyre wear race.
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Edit3: YES, BABY! YES! I beat the Slophys! Those were my targets. No fuel conserving at all.

Messed up my strategy. Wes going for RS/RM/RS. Did RS/RS/RM. I think that helped my chase down the Slophy and build a big gap by the second stint.
Final stop, I was able to catch and pass both the GT-R then, the 458.

Had a superb start, but that Slophy driven by that "v" player, tried to move me wide into T1 and kept barging cars ahead. Anyway, I'm happy.
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Well I guess I won't be seeing you when I manage to get the house wound down for the evening and crawl on for third slot. I might be in one of those Meganes though.:scared:
 

well it would seem that practice does help especially for noob like me :D
05XR8
Regardless of that outcome, I was only doing the one race. Keeping my sanity above all. ;)

I was surprised noone chose a Cayman.
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i wanted to go for Cayman but it felt sketchy for me :( which is weird because I used to love this car :) maybe it suddenly changed after last couple of updates
 
So I think I might have been in the filthiest race of my season. I got 6 seconds of penalties the first 3 laps, 4 of them at least for getting barged and pushed odd track. It was so bad that I was p17 of 18 and managed to get back to p11, due to people getting punted everywhere. Absolutely disgusting. The turn 1 missile, sliding through the first few turns everywhere as everyone beat the 🤬 out of everyone else. Dropped my SR from 99 to 76. Tried revenge on one that pushed me off twice, and only drove him wide while managing to earn own penalty. He managed to push me off wide again later. But I still finished ahead of the 2 🤬🤬 that caused me the most problems.

I was just driving super pissed off the whole time after even doing ok to manage problems into lap 2 with the penalty over my head and I get punted wide into the grass and have to short cut a massive part of the track. Still ended up having to slow down for a penalty. PD, might need to check out that standing start, it doesnt work for a large chunk of the crowd I end up racing with. Oh well. I haven't set a lap time for race C, so now to bore.myself lapping at the back to recover for a race.
 
I think my best free practice time for Nations is with the 4C, being around 2:05, maybe a little less, since I can’t exactly remember. It seems like the top times are just a tiny bit after 2:00, so I’m not sure if I ought to use something else or not. Even without the tire wear in practice, the 4C just doesn’t feel as stable as it used to - but I won’t complain about that, since I think it used to be quite overused. Maybe I should practice with the WRX just before I try entering, and see if I feel better about how I drive while trying to set a similar time. And for 4WD Gr.4 cars, I’d imagine you’d slightly want the BB to the back, right? Maybe 1 or 2 rearwards? Not as much as an FF car, yeah.
 
MIE1992
I think my best free practice time for Nations is with the 4C, being around 2:05, maybe a little less, since I can’t exactly remember. It seems like the top times are just a tiny bit after 2:00, so I’m not sure if I ought to use something else or not. Even without the tire wear in practice, the 4C just doesn’t feel as stable as it used to - but I won’t complain about that, since I think it used to be quite overused. Maybe I should practice with the WRX just before I try entering, and see if I feel better about how I drive while trying to set a similar time. And for 4WD Gr.4 cars, I’d imagine you’d slightly want the BB to the back, right? Maybe 1 or 2 rearwards? Not as much as an FF car, yeah.
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The 4C is much more stable with fuel weight in the tank(in actual practice, not FP mode). The 4WD cars you’ll want BB at +3 or more to save the front tires, they destroy them just like FF cars. :)
 
Did no practice in race conditions and joined to see if I would connect. I did, then drove terribly and burned the rear tyres to finish P8.

Entered the next slot to get better points, but got disconnected before matchmaking. Still haven't figured out why, very demotivating.
 
Redneckchef
So I think I might have been in the filthiest race of my season. I got 6 seconds of penalties the first 3 laps, 4 of them at least for getting barged and pushed odd track. It was so bad that I was p17 of 18 and managed to get back to p11, due to people getting punted everywhere. Absolutely disgusting. The turn 1 missile, sliding through the first few turns everywhere as everyone beat the 🤬 out of everyone else. Dropped my SR from 99 to 76. Tried revenge on one that pushed me off twice, and only drove him wide while managing to earn own penalty. He managed to push me off wide again later. But I still finished ahead of the 2 🤬🤬 that caused me the most problems.

I was just driving super pissed off the whole time after even doing ok to manage problems into lap 2 with the penalty over my head and I get punted wide into the grass and have to short cut a massive part of the track. Still ended up having to slow down for a penalty. PD, might need to check out that standing start, it doesnt work for a large chunk of the crowd I end up racing with. Oh well. I haven't set a lap time for race C, so now to bore.myself lapping at the back to recover for a race.
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Thats bad to read... I noticed many players dont know how to drive on Nurb, its all about smooth and wide lines. Many think that if youre "slowly" goin into corner thats oportunity to brakr later and go inside, off course this is impossible to keep a car on track with that speed and they hit your side pushing you off track, idiots...
What car were you using? Im going to 86 Toyota, hope that its good on tyre wear and will be faster in second part of the race when all these RCzs and TTs start to slide...
 
LVS_1986
Thats bad to read... I noticed many players dont know how to drive on Nurb, its all about smooth and wide lines. Many think that if youre "slowly" goin into corner thats oportunity to brakr later and go inside, off course this is impossible to keep a car on track with that speed and they hit your side pushing you off track, idiots...
What car were you using? Im going to 86 Toyota, hope that its good on tyre wear and will be faster in second part of the race when all these RCzs and TTs start to slide...
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I used the Megane, trouble makers were all in RCZ. Once they screw your line they can run away down the straight. But their car eats tires. I wasn't that fast anyway. Even with all my crashes I was still ok to pit lap 6 with ok tire wear.
 
LVS_1986
Thats bad to read... I noticed many players dont know how to drive on Nurb, its all about smooth and wide lines. Many think that if youre "slowly" goin into corner thats oportunity to brakr later and go inside, off course this is impossible to keep a car on track with that speed and they hit your side pushing you off track, idiots...
What car were you using? Im going to 86 Toyota, hope that its good on tyre wear and will be faster in second part of the race when all these RCzs and TTs start to slide...
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The FFs are non-issue. That GT-R ahead of me, was actually pretty good.

The 86 should be good. Stable little car and dicey with direction change. From past races with that car, tyres seem to come on string as they wear. Don't know how it goes now with the handling updates.
 
Is it wrong to feel proud of the fact that people are using the RCZ? I was the first person to put it in the time trial top 10 in EMEA on Saturday night :)

Must admit I am tempted to try it out in the race just for a laugh. I am sure everyone else will be in the Megane Trophy:crazy: with maybe a couple of brave souls in the 4C. Probably just get punted into oblivion (shadow realm and narnia are trademarks now I think), when the tyres wear out on lap 3 but could be fun.
 
Lost Sheltie
Is it wrong to feel proud of the fact that people are using the RCZ? I was the first person to put it in the time trial top 10 in EMEA on Saturday night :)

Must admit I am tempted to try it out in the race just for a laugh. I am sure everyone else will be in the Megane Trophy:crazy: with maybe a couple of brave souls in the 4C. Probably just get punted into oblivion (shadow realm and narnia are trademarks now I think), when the tyres wear out on lap 3 but could be fun.
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My hope is that people seeing so many RCZs in the top 10 will think its the car to use. If that works then you have all my gratitude :lol:
 
I'm testing for round 7 (Sardegna B GR3) because I don't have any chances at Le Mans. What do you guys think is a good time for the combo on full fuel? Low 19? High 18?
 
Absolutely no motivation for the manufacturers race tomorrow or at all with the top speed of the Huracán seemingly being nerfed meaning that i'm struggling to see any strong tracks for it. Nation's on the other hand I hopefully should have a few good events coming up with any look, just not in the Alfa, can't get on with that thing dispite a good result at gardens with it.
 
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Just did a Nations A+/S race. The 1st lap was an absolute blood bath. Everyone was kinda careful for turn 1 but the gloves were off after that. The penalty system had a field day with it all, including giving me a 2s penalty for bump drafting someone :lol:

Qualified 12th and finished 14th. Relieved to keep my SR intact :boggled:
 
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