Gran Turismo 7 1.60 Update Now Available

[Ande3200]

I don't understand all this hate in updates. Gran Turismo has always had "everyday cars" which includes SUVs, station wagons, sedans and hot hatches and more. This is nothing new and something that has been going on since the first Gran Turismo and what makes this series special and different from Forza and other racing games. Maybe I'm getting too old to understand this generation of gamers?

I think the problem is not that they add normal cars. The problem is we are rarely not getting anything else. We are missing so many good cars.
I understand they cant add them all. But to get maybe just a couble of new perfomence cars per year is way on the lower side.

But people will still complain regardless no matter what they add.

I would much rather pay for the cars if it meant we got more cars we wanted.

 

[MagpieRacer]

I don't understand all this hate in updates. Gran Turismo has always had "everyday cars" which includes SUVs, station wagons, sedans and hot hatches and more. This is nothing new and something that has been going on since the first Gran Turismo and what makes this series special and different from Forza and other racing games. Maybe I'm getting too old to understand this generation of gamers?

I agree to a point, however the previous full Gran Turismo games had these sorts of cars from the start, just a solid, well rounded, in depth selection of cars. Gran Turismo 7 was lacking at launch across all categories and hasn't really done enough other than the odd gem, to placate everyone.

The biggest faux pas in my eyes is the lack of GT Mode, there just isn't enough to do in the game outside online play. Custom events are fine but if a game needs to rely on those to survive then it didn't have enough to start with.

I really hope with GT8, we get a large base selection of cars across all categories and then subsequent updates enhance rather than gap fill.

As for this update, the BX and the Delta are sweet additions, the 2008 is a 2008, nothing more to add.

 

[eran0004]

Ah, so if a car has been reviewed by a mother then it's a mom car? Interesting take.

 

[jonoholland29]

While I do disagree that all SUVs are mom cars….

The 2008 is the perfect mom car. No one is driving this car because it is fun! My sister has one and it’s the most dreary thing to drive ever. Much prefer the wife’s Suzuki Vitara (with a turbo charger!)

 

[Mike Hamilton]

Ah, so if a car has been reviewed by a mother then it's a mom car? Interesting take.

No, i believe it is well suited for families. It is practical, has enough space, it is safe. In cities (at least in europe) moms prefer smaller cars for easy parking. So yes, where i live this IS a mom car.

Edit: That does not mean that only „moms“ may use it. You can be a cool young single guy and enjoy your 2008. However, it is obvious that Peugeot does consider young families one of the main target audiences for their product. Also, i am not using „mom car“ in a derogatory way. I hope no one is insulted by this expression.

Apparently you have a different understanding?

 

[manou]

Because Gran Turismo isn't a racing game.

Now, you're probably thinking; what the hell is this idiot thinking!? It's clearly a racing game!

But that's a misconception on our part as fans. Gran Turismo is not all about racing, it's about cars. The game doesn't force you to race, it gives you plenty of options for things to do that are not racing...

You can hop in a car and drive around any track without racing. You can go in to Scapes and spend a few hours perfecting your ideal picture of cars (I have the R32, R33 and R34 Skylines as a phone background, created in GT7 Scapes). You can go in to either the car or suit livery editors to create a new style to share. You can work on tunes for specific cars and tracks. You can, if you're so inclined, start the game up and spend hours doing anything but racing.

As fans of cars and racing, we approach this game as if it's all about racing, but Kaz has been clear on many occasions that the game is actually a celebration of car culture, so we get cars added that are not racing cars but are seemingly random everyday cars.

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Couldn't agree more !
This is a game about CARS, not races...

I just don't understand how anyone could rant with FREE monthly updates, introducing everyday car, sometimes an Aston, sometimes a race car, sometimes an EV car (I hate them in real life, but I like the fact they are in GT).

How could anyone not like the additions of the Citroen 2CV, the Renault Kangoo or the Suzuki Carry KC ? This is MAIN Gran Turismo !

All the data about the cars, the museums (I read them all), the scapes, etc... Some people only make liveries (great!), some only take pictures (good for them !), some only do the online time trials (me)... The game is for all car enthusiasts, it is not ACC (which I also enjoy BTW).

 

[Nakano219]

GT Sport introduced an entirely new subsection of the fanbase, who lacked a connection to the spirit of the old games. Seeing a return to the foundation that built the classic GT experience - starting from nothing in an absolute junker of a vehicle, only to take it to the top - enrages them for some reason.

I still think modern GT is lacking in that spirit, but believe me it's got nothing to do with the cars they add. If it was up to some of these guys they'd add nothing but ACC bait.

The thing is, PD perpetuate this by how completely different the single-player and Sport Mode are to one another, there's no unified vision of what Gran Turismo is across the two different parts of the game.

I totally get why a member of the fanbase that is primarily interacting with online would want nothing but GT3 and GT4 cars as additions, because the mode is currently nothing but BoP'd Gr.3 and Gr.4 races. So the 450 other cars in the game almost don't matter to a Sport Mode player because the mode never uses them - that goes for "cooler" additions like the 812 just as much as it does SUVs.

PD have two choices in my eyes - they can open up their online offerings to use more of the game content to make the game feel like more of a cohesive whole (at the risk of losing the people who want an LMU/ACC-like experience to, well, LMU/ACC) or they can update the cars in the main Sport Mode categories (at the cost of giving the more traditional GT player much less varied new content for a while). But the way they're currently spinning the two plates seems doomed to eventual failure.

 

[DK]

I just wished there were some cheap sporty cars that are the modern equivalent of the bargains you could find in GT4's UCD. The closest you get to that in GT7 is the Swift and Cooper S. I want to see something like a 120i, Twingo 133 Cup or Fiesta Zetec 150.

 

[sirjim73]

I had high expectations for 1.60… I hoped it'd be big like 1.40 & 1.50… I hope it won't be the last Update though… Because GT Sport stopped its run at 1.60, and went offline with 1.61… I hope GT7 lasts longer. However, the cars are still decent… I know many will be excited for the Delta; the 2K8 is a good car, but I prefer the older model, and I know a lot of people will agree with me that we deserve better than that (the 2K8 from '13 is an amazing car, and one of my former high school's classmates' mother used to drive one. I think they still have it, but I haven't seen the guy in a while, because we graduated, and we're both in university college now.). And as for the BX, this is the one I'm most excited about, since my uncle used to have a '94 ZX Break (he had the rare estate wagon version, which had the design traits of the pre-facelift hatchback from '92. That car is now replaced by '15 Mirage Space Star 1.2; my mom has the '14 Mirage Space Star 1.0, but she used to have a '99 Ford Ka; my uncle replaced the ZX Break at it was 22 years old by that time, my mother replaced the KA, after she crashed it really badly in '14), so any French car from 1981-1999 is genuinely awesome in my personal opinion. So yeah, BX is my favourite, and 2K8 is second, and while I got nothing against the Delta Rally Cross, I already have the regular road version of the Delta.

Hi. There's no reason yet to think that support for GT7 is ending. I think they intend to keep GT7 going until sometime near to the "GT8" release date.

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Just a heads up, that you should multi quote when replying, rather than making multiple posts. If you hit the quote button on all of the posts you wish to reply to, you can reply to all the posts in one go. 👍

 

[Draugnimir]

Having mundane city cars wouldn't be bad at all if only we had a city map with mundane city tasks to complete with these cars. But for some reason the game features nothing but race tracks... and even not many Sunday Cup races to compete with them.

Focusing on slow cars in GT7 feels just so wrong in terms of basic game design. But I'd be more than happy to have them in an open world Gran Turismo game with corresponding gameplay activities

 

[hyperspeed980]

The thing is, PD perpetuate this by how completely different the single-player and Sport Mode are to one another, there's no unified vision of what Gran Turismo is across the two different parts of the game.

I totally get why a member of the fanbase that is primarily interacting with online would want nothing but GT3 and GT4 cars as additions, because the mode is currently nothing but BoP'd Gr.3 and Gr.4 races. So the 450 other cars in the game almost don't matter to a Sport Mode player because the mode never uses them - that goes for "cooler" additions like the 812 just as much as it does SUVs.

PD have two choices in my eyes - they can open up their online offerings to use more of the game content to make the game feel like more of a cohesive whole (at the risk of losing the people who want an LMU/ACC-like experience to, well, LMU/ACC) or they can update the cars in the main Sport Mode categories (at the cost of giving the more traditional GT player much less varied new content for a while). But the way they're currently spinning the two plates seems doomed to eventual failure.

Yeah for sure, I think PD have unfortunately done a terrible job at satisfying both sides of the community with 7. They got close to it when Sport mode had tuned road car races running alongside grouped stuff early on, but after people noticed just how broken the PP system was it all went downhill from then on.

The whole franchise has been in an identity crisis for years, and every Kaz tweet is a battleground in the comments. Even the time trial with the Swift has people bitching about it not being another Gr.3 TT, as if we don't already have two of those active.

I don't think it can be resolved unless PD completely cuts off one side of the community for the next game - and the way things are going, it seems like that'll be the Sport guys.

 

[Imbissbrunto]

I agree to a point, however the previous full Gran Turismo games had these sorts of cars from the start, just a solid, well rounded, in depth selection of cars. Gran Turismo 7 was lacking at launch across all categories and hasn't really done enough other than the odd gem, to placate everyone.

The biggest faux pas in my eyes is the lack of GT Mode, there just isn't enough to do in the game outside online play. Custom events are fine but if a game needs to rely on those to survive then it didn't have enough to start with.

That‘s the root of the issue. Gran Turismo 7 is one of the very few games I bought on release and I remember being really surprised how it was almost identical with GT Sport in its launch state. Like it shared 95% of its car and track selection with the previous game.

 

[Famine]

ok

Citroën BX 16 TRS 1983 = yes

1986 Citroën BX 19 TRS = not​

ty!

I... have no idea what that post means, nor why a chunk of it is in a bigger font. But also it's wrong, as I've just realised that it almost has to be an 1987-1989 BX19 TRS, for reasons I already stated but didn't cobble together.

It's a Phase 2 or Phase 2 Facelift due to the redesigned repeaters: 1987-1992. With the Phase 2 (87-89), the TRS moved from the 1.6 (BX16) to the 1.9 (BX19), but then the range was renamed and refreshed with the Facelift (89-92). TG replaced TR, with the TGE using the 1.4 (BX14) and the TGS using the 1.6 (BX16) but neither had the C-pillar window. The TZS fits, and used the 1.9 but had prominent front foglights.

Another alternative is the BX GT, made throughout, but again the front foglights should be obvious in the image and it has a slightly larger rear spoiler, though of the same basic design, that I'd expect to be larger.

The only other possibility is a special edition model, about which I know very little. It could be something Phase 2 and TR-based like the Digit, or something weird like the TZI Tecnic (1990, BX19).

Just for reference, I don't keep all of this in my head; I sometimes shoot and write about classic cars for auctions, so I've spent a lot of time researching quite a few different cars over the last few years

 

[Rocket Racer]

I totally understand people not caring for the 2008. But having very fond memories of a week hooning a rental 2008 on the back roads of Algarve, Portugal, I'm super happy to get it in the game just for the personal nostalgia.

It's by no means exciting to drive but much, much closer to a regular hatchback than a real SUV.

And remember guys, while none of us has real insight on how the licensing works exactly, it's a very real possibility that PD only gets to include the cool old PSA cars (205, BX) on the condition of also including modern, boring ones for advertising.

 

[Majorlazer]

Hopefully a new track, but probably unlikely.

 

[juanffy18]

Hopefully a new track, but probably unlikely.

Maybe in july or August...or never until GT8/GT Sport 2 or whatever.

 

[syoboon]

If the car in the middle is Delta, it was finally added 12 years after PD scanned the actual car.

Polyphony Digital scans one-off Ferrari P4/5 for use in future Gran Turismo title - Team VVV

An Italian engineering firm has revealed Polyphony Digital is at least in the process of scanning one of the high-end cars it maintains for future use in the Gran Turismo series. The Turin-based company L.m Gianetti recently posted photos onto its Facebook page, clearly showing PD employees...

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[CTRL Garage]

But do you remember old gran turismo games ? You started with slow road cars but majority of further play you spend in fast racing car.

You clearly don’t remember the old gran turismo games as the majority of races are in road cars on standard or sports tyres.

People created this false narration that gt is all about normal slow cars that was never a case.

it’s not false, your case is false. Please tell me which gran turismo game has more race car events than road cars events

 

[aguia]

It's usually the car maker who wants a specific car being advertised in game. The developer does that in order to get access to the car they want to put in the game. This was explained by Kunos when people asked about the cars choices in AC.

This is perhaps the most accurate comment of all.
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There is some obvious dislike for the CR-V, but I even consider it to be the ideal car for anyone who hates GT rally.
Take it for a test drive on dirt and ice tracks, and you will easily realize the necessary mode to go fast on these tracks.
Until you have battery, you always have to drive with the accelerator on full throttle.
It is also a TT that I am really looking forward to, and the best lap will have to be done on the first lap. Without battery on the next lap, there is no chance of improving the time.

Yes, GT is a racing game, but this week we have a new TT in Nurb with a Suzuki Swift.

 

[CitroenCX]

Any new (old) Citroen or Peugeot is good to me as there is simply not enough of them in GT7.
Citroen BX is a huge addition to me as it's one of my childhood's many dream cars.
Saw a Brown BX 16 every day on the route to my school, what a spaceship!
Still want one to this day.
Another Citroen/Peugeot I wanted to be added to GT7 or its sequel is Peugeot 504 and Citroen SM, hell why not also the increasingly rare Citroen GS and obviously Citroen CX.
Peugeot 2008 is an odd choice, but I'll never shy away from a more relatable and affordable model currently on sale in my country.
Always wanted to test drive the 2008.

 

[MOV Games]

Been waiting to see a non 4TC BX in a racing game (sorry The Getaway: Black Monday you don't count) for about 25 years now, a white late model diesel one served as my dad's main car when I was young.

 

[CinnamonOD]

The cars that have been added to GT7 lately are cool and all, I don’t have any complaints about the specific cars being added, some have been definitely fun to drive like the maxed out Carry.

At the same time it’s kinda hard to ignore how they’re still skipping over the stuff that would actually shake up the competitive scene (which is what I think is largely keeping the game alive). I’m talking about race cars, we’re still missing updated versions of GT3s in the game, and also the new Hypercars that we saw at the 24 hours last weekend

Another glaring issue is no new tracks being added, from what I’ve heard, no track being added in this update either, and it’s been a while already. The additions are nice, and I enjoy them, but they don’t really do much to bring fresh energy to the game.

 

[LANDO]

Been waiting to see a non 4TC BX in a racing game (sorry The Getaway: Black Monday you don't count) for about 25 years now, a white late model diesel one served as my dad's main car when I was young.

It would be awesome to map a button to control the suspension

 

[OldandSlow]

If you don't love a Citroen BX you must be dead inside.

Love it? I've never heard of it until now.

 

[Fuzzi0n]

Crossovers don't interest me, but they could fix that if we could engine swap them. Other two cars look fun and are the sort of things I like to have in GT, I understand people might want GT3 or prototypes but there's several other games that do that stuff much better anyway. I would like to see the 2024 GT500 cars but more interesting road cars will always be my preference. Hopefully some good engine swaps too, those always end up being fun to play around with.

 

[MatskiMonk]

But having very fond memories of a week hooning a rental 2008 on the back roads of Algarve, Portugal, I'm super happy to get it in the game just for the personal nostalgia.

Yup, I'd like an Astra H 1.9CDTi for similar reasons.

 

[Quakebass]

Another SUV 😒...The SUV is the least car culture vehicle ever conceived. It is the anti-car culture vehicle. The compact SUV is the vehicle of people who need a car, but hate cars.

Like, the CRV had potential with GT Auto's big wings and such, but such a horrible vehicle to play. Same with the others. It's like they were implemented under protest.

I'm eager to see what else this update brings.

Particularly cars with unmodifyable CVTs, if there’s going to be civilian commuter vehicles they need to have some semblance of depth to their customization, otherwise it really is just a waste to have it.

I remember the Demio in GT6 had a CVT but you could swap the custom gearboxes in, completely changing its usability.

I haven’t played in a few years now, many updates have pushed me closer to hopping back in, but cars like the CHR with (my understanding) limited mods make me reconsider.

 

[equalitus]

The thing is, PD perpetuate this by how completely different the single-player and Sport Mode are to one another, there's no unified vision of what Gran Turismo is across the two different parts of the game.

I totally get why a member of the fanbase that is primarily interacting with online would want nothing but GT3 and GT4 cars as additions, because the mode is currently nothing but BoP'd Gr.3 and Gr.4 races. So the 450 other cars in the game almost don't matter to a Sport Mode player because the mode never uses them - that goes for "cooler" additions like the 812 just as much as it does SUVs.

PD have two choices in my eyes - they can open up their online offerings to use more of the game content to make the game feel like more of a cohesive whole (at the risk of losing the people who want an LMU/ACC-like experience to, well, LMU/ACC) or they can update the cars in the main Sport Mode categories (at the cost of giving the more traditional GT player much less varied new content for a while). But the way they're currently spinning the two plates seems doomed to eventual failure.

It is not binary, it's choices that can be prioritized symmetrically but there are completely different problems in the multiplayer side than the single-player part of GT7. AI Sophy on more tracks, grid start, customized options in all single-player events! It would be the best car game & racing game ever!

 

[eran0004]

No, i believe it is well suited for families. It is practical, has enough space, it is safe. In cities (at least in europe) moms prefer smaller cars for easy parking. So yes, where i live this IS a mom car.

"Mom car" is an American term derived from a suburban lifestyle where housewives needed big cars such as minivans (nowadays SUV's) to drive their kids around to various activities, such as soccer. It's not a term natively used in Europe.

In dense European cities everyone prefer smaller cars for easy parking. It's not a trait unique to European mothers. In Europe we call that kind of cars city cars rather than mom cars. The term "mom car" does not describe a car that is easy to park, on the contrary "mom car" are often harder to park than the average car, due to their size.

Cars well suited for families are better referred to as family cars.

Edit: That does not mean that only „moms“ may use it. You can be a cool young single guy and enjoy your 2008. However, it is obvious that Peugeot does consider young families one of the main target audiences for their product.

Young families are one of the main target audiences for most cars. It's stupid to refer to them as "mom cars" because of that. First because it doesn't really say anything about the qualities of the car, and second because it reinforces conservative gender roles.

Also, i am not using „mom car“ in a derogatory way. I hope no one is insulted by this expression.

It's a dumb term. It implies that it's the mother's role is to take care of the family, to care for the safety and practical arrangements and that she should drive a different type of car than other family members. You've also implied that she thinks it's difficult to park, even though that has nothing to do with how the term "mom car" is typically used.

 

[CinnamonOD]

Crossovers don't interest me, but they could fix that if we could engine swap them. Other two cars look fun and are the sort of things I like to have in GT, I understand people might want GT3 or prototypes but there's several other games that do that stuff much better anyway. I would like to see the 2024 GT500 cars but more interesting road cars will always be my preference. Hopefully some good engine swaps too, those always end up being fun to play around with.

The fact that other sims do GT3s or other racing categories mostly absent from the game better than Gran Turismo doesn’t invalidate the need for them to be added

Of course things such as updating GT500/300, introducing TCR, or whatever you can think of, would be more than welcomed, but GT3 is by far the most popular category in sim racing in my opinion, and GT7 players are simply missing out on the newest cars in the category, there is also the GT7 experience of customizing the liveries the way Gran Turismo handles it directly in the game (IMO the best livery editor in the genre).

SuperGT cars are also way overdue an update, I mean, the most recent being almost 10 years old at this point, and the models have been substituted so we don’t see a GT-R, RCF or NSX in real life GT500 anymore