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For me it would be one week after I start playing it.
We got some or sometimes even a lot of coverage of the US also here in the news in Germany but it’s then more about the bigger topics, government and all these things. Not so much in detail how the situation is in then regular households.
The Beetle and Porsche on the cover of the DLC and the AE86 prize car also in the screenshots. Why would you believe they're in the Spec 3 update? If they aren't part of the DLC, why not use cars that were released at launch or in previous updates? Or even the ones already announced for spec 3.
They did that by including them in the cover art and screenshots.
And Y’know, that’s a perfectly valid thing to want. The issue here is that they weren’t adding much other than that - it was pretty much all repetitive rehashing of starter race formatting. On rare occasions you’d get a more specific themed race or stingy requirements, but it was the exception. Compared to GT Sport, it was almost every update where an event was added tailored to one (or some) of the new additions, a new card with new combos, and then some extensions to existing starter/medium event cards with some newer tracks. Sport has less tools to play with as far as event curation, 7 having added limiters like min/max installed part counts, genre of car, size, weight, power, list goes on - but almost only uses PP, country, and drivetrain limits with the other parameters open ended, and in 100 or 50PP intervals. I’m pretty sure Sport to this day still has a more diverse event list than 7 despite how many more features are available to utilize in the newer game.
There’s a few sides to this coin. Full disclosure I haven’t used Sophy yet, I haven’t been able to play 7 in a bit over 3 years now. That said, the base AI had been programmed to artificially neuter itself, and then the events were further designed around this aspect. It’s been this way since 6, with slightly different funky quirks on each iteration.
Genuinely I’d be curious to see how fast the standard AI would be with out any of the artificial holdbacks they’ve put in. Though I’m not sure if we’ll ever see that with Sophy being all the rage now.
I don't think PD could extract a lot of marketing info for a reasonable price as what counts here is not the opinion of people like us here who discuss this matter.
In Gran Turismo 6, where we could be Team Principal, my entire team was female.
Well, i played a lot of GT7. Probably around 2000 hours. And i wouldn't pay a single € for any new cars and very, very little if anything for new tracks (which separate the user base for online races, which i find bad by design even if my focus is single player).
Yeap. My friend, whom we've been playing GT together since the first one, probably won't get much out of this. If they released a DC5 Type R though, he'd probably pay $100 just for that. Or if he could have them change the way transmission ratios work for more flexibility (he says Forza is better here) or change the Spring Rate tuning from Natural Frequency to lbs etc because that's what's commonly used for normal people in real life and not a race team. He doesn't touch multiplayer at all except when the two of us just cruise around whatever track for hours on end just talking over voice chat. He doesn't have much interest in racing any AI/wheel to wheel racing.
Not to be a jerk, but it is currently impossible to build these cars in game. It's not just the parts, it's new elements for GT Auto.
Ok, but the cars are categorically already in the game. So there's clearly a chance of at least three things here:
The games you mention have significantly smaller consumer bases than Gran Turismo as a brand does. Different target audiences, different priorities. Polyphony need to retain a more mass appeal and accessibility which is also a big part of the reason the Gran Turismo games aren't as hardcore sims as those others and are presented more as a game when it comes to the player experience.
This magnificent post from @redhed17 perfectly sums how I feel about this.Ah, the equivalency price justification statements.Normally used to try and justify a cost that may not have been asked for before, or to justify a subscription, or indeed an increase in a subscription cost. The price/value of something is always a subjective thing over and above whatever the actual £/$/€ etc is of the thing being talked about. For the people posting statements like this, they are obviously for whatever cost is being asked for, and seemingly can't comprehend that someone would have different value judgements to them.
GT games of the past originally obviously had no option for updates, and the game you got at the beginning was the game you got, that was it. The onus was on the game developers of the time to give a fully featured working game. Once you get to the point of games being able to be updated online with bug fixes/features, quickly, the game market transformed from releasing complete finished games, to incomplete games with either features missing and/or bugs, safe in the knowledge that they can update games after release. This seems the default method for almost all game developers now sadly.
With all that in mind, games companies have got to a situation of releasing feature light/incomplete/buggy games at full price. Dependent on how incomplete and/or buggy a game is, someone may feel said game is worth what they paid or not, but that is when what one person feels about how much worth the game has for them changes from one person or another. Multiply that feeling by how missing bugs and/or missing features have been addressed since release, and how much additional content has been given (or not), and everyone will have a different feeling of a games worth/value. Where someone lives, and the cost of living there compared what the game/DLC costs will also affect what someone feels about the value.
For GT games, paid DLC content has always, as far as I can recall, been for minor things like credits, but rarely for major features of the game. This paid DLC seem to be offering major game features, some of which people may have expected and maybe expected from a full version of a GT game at launch compared to a cut down GT "Sport/Prologue" version of the game. For the 'full' GT7 game compared to GT Sport, I expected a comprehensive offline one player experience compared to the online racing focus of GT Sport, and I have been very disappointed, and I think others feel the same. PD will have known how a lot of people felt on this aspect of the game, and have ignored those people for 3 years, and now want people to pay for things they (think) should have given from the start, or very quickly after release after the backlash of not enough content.
Some, like me will feel that whatever they ask for it, is not worth it after feeling ignored for so long. For others, this will have been what they have been waiting for, and worth every penny, whatever it is. For others, it will not be worth it, for combination of reasons above. PD will obviously be hoping every user wants to pay for whatever put out for sale.
If people buy the DLC, I hope they will feel it it will have been worth the money.But I don't really want a lot of people to buy it, because I don't want to reward and encourage bad(imho) behaviour towards loyal users, be that not delivering a game people expected, or knowing that, ignoring missing features in a game people wanted for so long. There are so many GT users with with the value judgement of the cost of this DLC is, whatever it is, is not that much to them, that PD will get the pre GT8 cash boost they want. 😕
And if this works out this time, they will do the same thing next time.
Sorry for all of that if you got this far. It's one of those days.
My point is those games cannot attract the player base Polyphony need to attract with Gran Turismo. They can charge more and attract fewer players because the players they are trying to attract are more likely to pay it and their budgets allow them to attract fewer players.
Above is what I said from 2019.
I'm interested to see how much PD took onboard from its data gathering of all players. Also from player suggestions.
