Gran Turismo 7 “Power Pack” Paid DLC Now Available: New Races Including Endurance Events, Qualifying, and “Sophy 3.0”

[suomi1]

A version of endurance and/or race-weekends with qualifying and without Sophy, (i.e. with braindead Reggie) would be a total disaster and no fun at all. With the knowledge of the default reggie capabilities in GT7, it would be detrimental to any playability of such events on a PS4 (or a PS5 for that matter).
Are you honestly saying that you'd be racing for 24h beyond, say, the first hour when you'll be a thrillion laps ahead of the competition, which cannot for the life of them make a difference between different compounds or different refuelling pitstop strategies? Who'd want to run for 24h with such unbalance? It would be a 24h time trial, not a race.

Have you heard about Lago Maggiore 1H? Regular AI can be even faster than this..

 

[alienisko]

It is kinda funny seeing Ppl beeing pissed off that their 12 Year old PS4 can't handle the newest tec, me as a PS5 Owner, i am pissed GT7 launched on PS4 at all, as it was certainly a cut to the full potential of the game in the first place.
So PS4 Users, please be happy you got GT7 at all, including all its free Updates, only beeing excluded from the Sophy Program, wich seems to be a hardware thing. Even PS5 is now exactly 5 Years old, you may think about an upgrade some day.

Regarding the OG Post, the DLC, i have to admit to many others that the main problem seems to be the price, wich isn't even officially announced, as well a big lag in information about the content itself.

I completely agree. The biggest problem standing in the way of Gran Turismo's development is support for the old PlayStation 4.

 

[Nattefrost]

And this is precisely where the problem begins.

The "I got what I paid for" principle no longer applies to most games.

Why?

Because the games aren't completely finished at release.

This was also the case with GT7. At launch, there was a patch to fix problems.

Furthermore, Product Development announced that some content was still missing and would be added later.

The scope and duration of this addition have not yet been addressed.

Due to Product Development's lack of cooperation, customers like myself were able to build their ideal GT7 experience based on what they knew and were used to, thus raising expectations.

Added to this are updates that have made using some cars almost impossible, as well as the constant nerfing of Performance Points. To this day, I don't understand how the wing settings fit into this. Depending on the track, it can be advantageous or disadvantageous to raise or lower them.

In short... My expectations have not yet been met, and given the path PD is currently taking, they probably won't be in the future.

Yes it does. Again, if you disagree with what you're getting, vote with your wallet. If you choose not to do that and buy it anyway, then you are contributing to the things you're complaining about.

 

[Elytre]

There is some truth to this, you cannot please everyone, and you shouldn't try to, but when it comes to cost it's far more complex. There's no doubt GT7 has received more than a fair number of free updates that would make a £20 DLC like the Power Pack a no-brainer, if you consider the cost of that along with all of the free updates recieved to date.

But the issue is far more nuanced than that, giving one thing for free that is worth something and then asking for money for something else that isn't, doesn't really balance out. If I give a friend £10 and then ask him to buy a blank peice of paper off me for £5, he's going to say no, don't be stupid. The fact I gave him a gift prior doesn't make a £5 piece of blank paper a good deal, the two things are separate transactions and should and will generally be treated as such. Not that the Power Pack isn't worth anything, I'm just making a point. We will have to wait and see how worthwhile the Power Pack is and I am interested to find out more.

absolutely! i think a main problem by now is, the lack of information we got, the only things we know is something about 50 events beeing added, 5mil Cr. beeing included and we have a DLC cover picture... we don't know if there are any cars included, or tracks or what the whole thing costs, Ppl speculating about 20 GBP and stuff, maybe its only 4.99 or not even that...

i'll buy it anyway, as GT7 is one of a few games i play at all and i have nearly 1700 hours spent in GT7, i enjoy it every day since day-1

Despite the price, i'll see that more as an "investment" to PD, wich makes me enjoy GT games since 2 decades...

 

[Famine]

Maybe this DLC is just a small cashgrab from PD to

Unlikely, as PD neither sets the price nor receives the income from sales.

Product Development announced that

Product Development's lack of cooperation

Do... you think that the developer is called "Product Development"?

 

[venom85]

Unlikely, as PD neither sets the price nor receives the income from sales.


Do... you think that the developer is called "Product Development"?

Translation error...

I meant the communication between PD and us, the customer.

 

[Interstellar9]

This part is just not accurate. Even at launch the split between PS5 and PS4 sales was about 2:1 in favour of the newer system (not just for GT but for pretty much all crossgen). PS4 was never the majority.

Since then the split has definitely increased in favour of the PS5. There are sales analysis published every month for the PS4 - GT7 never appears in the top 20 sellers. People aren’t buying it anymore on that.

The vast majority of the player-base is on PS5 and Playstation are winding down support for the PS4. It’s sad for the owners of that system but this decision makes complete sense from a business POV.

Plus the PS4 version was 10€ cheaper than the PS5 version. After nearly 4 years of updates with no additional costs (Spec III is also on PS4) PS4 owners have absolutely nothing to complain about and should finally move on to PS5. Power Pack is PS5 exclusive because of Sophy which can't be run on the ancient PS4 CPU.

 

[ron86]

In almost all other games nowadays we have to pay for DLC (like the nürburging in ACC costing 12,99…). Gran turismo 7 absolutely out of the (bad) norm gave us three years of free content updates and now that they offer their first paid DLC people are crying 🫣

As a fan I happily pay whatever the dlc may cost, i guess it will be 29,99.

 

[Famine]

Translation error...

Let me guess, an LLM?

"PD" is "Polyphony Digital", the developer since 1998 (it was previously named Polys International). An LLM, particularly one used as a translation bot, might read "PD" and pluck out the most commonly used term abbreviated as PD for the expansion.

 

[rsspyder21]

This is one of the wildest topics and debates I’ve ever seen on this forum 🤣
What is the average age of the posters on this, I wonder? The entitlement and analogies are … beyond.

As some level-headed members have effectively said, if it’s worth it to you when more details and price are announced, buy it. If not, don’t. You’re not getting it for free, and declaring Sony owes you anything is comical.

Personally, I can’t wait for this in combination with Spec III and wish I could buy it right now. I can’t think of anything else I can pay $30-$50 for that I find more fun than good sim racing. It’s a perfectly fine value to me. Frankly, I’ve often semi-marveled at the amount and length of ongoing support and free content updates this game consistently provides. Even more so when I see the state of so many other console games.

 

[Cerebral303]

If it's under £10 I'll be absolutely over the moon (over the castle). Between £10-20 is fair, and more than that I might wait for a sale.

 

[Skinny McLean]

So GT7 finally gets the Gran Turismo mode people were expecting at launch, but it's paid DLC and it's not available for PS4 players?!

Wow.

And then people expressing their disappointment are called "entitled whiners" who should just shut up and go order a PS5. "Bro, PS4 is TWELVE years old! What are you people even doing with that thing? Air frying chicken nuggets?"

But surely they could have made a PS4 version that used the standard AI instead. "But that AI is horrible!" Agreed, but that apparently hasn't stopped people from playing the game for well over three years.

I wonder if PD got the inspiration from Apple's Macbook shenanigans where they removed the accessory ports and sold them as expensive dongles.

 

[Scaff]

What core functionality is that?

You don't think that practice and qualifying could be considered core features of a driving/racing title?

A version of endurance and/or race-weekends with qualifying and without Sophy, (i.e. with braindead Reggie) would be a total disaster and no fun at all. With the knowledge of the default reggie capabilities in GT7, it would be detrimental to any playability of such events on a PS4 (or a PS5 for that matter).
Are you honestly saying that you'd be racing for 24h beyond, say, the first hour when you'll be a thrillion laps ahead of the competition, which cannot for the life of them make a difference between different compounds or different refuelling pitstop strategies? Who'd want to run for 24h with such unbalance? It would be a 24h time trial, not a race.

People seemed happy enough with that in past GT titles to make the series what it is.

Why do you consider this or some other feature to be introduced by the DLC a 'core feature' of the original game?

You don't think that practice and qualifying could be considered core features of a driving/racing title?

I didn't buy when it was first released but I don't recall it having a list of PD-published features currently missing at that state of the game. This is very different from us, the users, expecting certain features to be in the game because previous iterations of the GT series had them (spoiler, each one demanding full price purchase, how cheeky of them!). We all know that's not how PD work.

And yet they have added changes that are similar without cost in the past, at launch, 'The 'Human Comedy' 1-hour events didn't exist, yet PD didn't charge for those!

 

[Nattefrost]

You don't think that practice and qualifying could be considered core features of a driving/racing title?

Ideally yes, but you have to go back all the way to GT4, 20 years ago, to find this functionality integrated in the career mode. If a game series has not had certain features for 20 years, spanning several mainline releases, it is hard to argue that they are core features, no matter how integral to the experience they might appear.

 

[manou]

If it's under £10 I'll be absolutely over the moon (over the castle). Between £10-20 is fair, and more than that I might wait for a sale.

And it makes perfectly sense ! If 30 is too much, and you are willing to wait for a sale, that's a totally understandable move. Good for you

 

[rsspyder21]

Key words being “expect” and “surely could have.” In other words, PD somehow owes people something. If I am forgetting and PD said there would be this specific “GT Mode” when it launched the game, then I retract my statement. If not, entitlement is precisely what it is.

 

[Fezzik]

Ideally yes, but you have to go back all the way to GT4, 20 years ago, to find this functionality integrated in the career mode. If a game series has not had certain features for 20 years, spanning several mainline releases, it is hard to argue that they are core features, no matter how integral to the experience they might appear.

For a proper motorsport sim they are core features, but GT really isn't that (hence the existence of this DLC and their addition to it).

 

[GlamFM]

You don't think that practice and qualifying could be considered core features of a driving/racing title?

In the context of SP GT? Honestly no. It's right there in the online where it matters though and it always has been.

 

[Scaff]

They could - but it would be woefully awful and fall well below the standards people expect.

It's the only standard that PS4 players know, as such, your point isn't actually valid.

Probably could have. But it won’t be. That’s precisely the cutoff point I’m talking about.
SP content is apparently about Sophy going forward - forward is also the direction of PD.

They can’t face backwards forever and drag a 12 year old hardware around for a user- and installbase that is only getting smaller.

They do so with tracks and cars which they should be applauded for - they don’t deserve the criticism for not reworking this very optional DLC to work with an AI that they have left behind.

I disagree, and it's a valid point of discussion.

Ideally yes, but you have to go back all the way to GT4, 20 years ago, to find this functionality integrated in the career mode. If a game series has not had certain features for 20 years, spanning several mainline releases, it is hard to argue that they are core features, no matter how integral to the experience they might appear.

And it's been a constant issue people have raised during that time, that's aside from the fact I was referring to driving/racing games generally rather than GT alone.

In the context of SP GT? Honestly no. It's right there in the online where it matters though and it always has been.

By that logic this DLC is, in part, pointless and redundant then.

 

[GlamFM]

By that logic this DLC is, in part, pointless and redundant then.

It is! That why I've called this DLC completely optional like a million times while pointing out that actual core content (tracks and cars - ON THE SAME DAY EVEN!) remain FREE and available to EVERYBODY.

 

[manou]

Just for comparison, the list of all the ACC dlcs :

Intercontinental GT Pack – 14,99 €
GT4 Pack – 19,99 €
2020 GT World Challenge Pack – 8,99 €
British GT Pack – 12,99 €
Challengers Pack – 10,99 €
American Track Pack – 17,99 €
2023 GT World Challenge Pack – 12,99 €
GT2 Pack – 17,99 €
24H Nürburgring Pack – 12,99 €

--> 130 €

 

[Scaff]

It is! That why I've called this DLC completely optional like a million times while pointing out that actual core content (tracks and cars - ON THE SAME DAY EVEN!) remain FREE and available to EVERYBODY.

Optional is not the same as pointless and redundant, oh and no need to shout either.

 

[MagpieRacer]

Just for comparison, the list of all the ACC dlcs :

Intercontinental GT Pack – 14,99 €
GT4 Pack – 19,99 €
2020 GT World Challenge Pack – 8,99 €
British GT Pack – 12,99 €
Challengers Pack – 10,99 €
American Track Pack – 17,99 €
2023 GT World Challenge Pack – 12,99 €
GT2 Pack – 17,99 €
24H Nürburgring Pack – 12,99 €

--> 130 €

Realistically it is much less than this though as you can get the DLC Package, + the 2 packs it doesn't include for £75/85EUR.

Or less than £35/40EUR currently.

 

[Nattefrost]

And it's been a constant issue people have raised during that time, that's aside from the fact I was referring to driving/racing games generally rather than GT alone.

That's fair enough, and I've been disappointed by their exclusion in each of GT5, 6 and now 7. But at the same time we can't ignore context. If GT5 and 6 didn't have them, it wouldn't make sense to go into GT7 expecting it to be there as a core feature. It's the same with damage. Technically you'd be correct in pointing out that it's a core feature of any self respecting racing sim and therefore GT7 should also have it, but context has taught us that it's not a core feature of Gran Turismo.

Let's just focus on the positive side. Kaz/PD remembered that having practice and qualifying in single player events is an actual possibility! It increases the likelihood of it being included in GT8 day one. Let's hope so.

 

[GlamFM]

Optional is not the same as pointless and redundant

Well maybe I should have challenged your words a bit more as I think "not core content" ≠ "pointless and redundant".
"Optional" is a much better way to put it imo - less condescending, too!

 

[manou]

Realistically it is much less than this though as you can get the DLC Package, + the 2 packs it doesn't include for £75/85EUR.

Or less than £35/40EUR currently.

The packs were released along the dlcs day one ? honest question, I just don't remember.

 

[ron86]

Realistically it is much less than this though as you can get the DLC Package, + the 2 packs it doesn't include for £75/85EUR.

Or less than £35/40EUR currently.

Well, 85 euros is still a lot i would say 😬

GT7 got in its 3 years 126 (!) new cars and 5 new tracks - for free!

I really find it it super ungratefull to whine around once they offer paid DLC after all the free stuff they gave us while almost all other games just offer tons of paid stuff!

 

[kjb]

The packs were released along the dlcs day one ? honest question, I just don't remember.

I don't think they were. But I do believe they became available after the last set of DLC was released

 

[MagpieRacer]

The packs were released along the dlcs day one ? honest question, I just don't remember.

On console the packs released a lot closer together so there was always some sort of bundle option to get them cheaper. Console got everything much later than the PC releases.

 

[Dave A]

Well maybe I should have challenged your words a bit more as I think "not core content" ≠ "pointless and redundant".
"Optional" is a much better way to put it imo - less condescending, too!

If I tell the guys at work that going fowards I want them to BCC a new mailbox into every email they send, that step would not be optional but it would be pointless and redundant as our CRM has an API bridge to our mailserver that captures all incoming and outgoing emails already. You are conflating two pretty different meanings here.