Gran Turismo 7 “Power Pack” Paid DLC Now Available: New Races Including Endurance Events, Qualifying, and “Sophy 3.0”

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05XR8
Will be interesting to see if we actually do win prize cars or have to compete using certain cars.
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If these are championships similar to gifting rewards in Weekly Challenges(where finishing top three grants the top award), it looks like players only need to participate to unlock the next race. However, the prototype category shows the 787B locked. Maybe players have to win to unlock all races.

Power Pack shows 10/47 completed with 1/12 gifts. Then, 8/50 below. 0/16 gifts and there’s the Levin gift. I mean, it could be like the Toyota GT86 having a height measurement as high as a building when we got the GT Auto teaser. :lol:
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Anyway, for the Group C race, look like it’ll be the Weekly Challenge Group C events. For those races we didn’t have the full 20 car grid. Hope we’ll get the full power of the PS5 with a larger grid size.

(From the recent teaser)
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I think that stars and locks are an indicator its going to use the progression system from uh.. GT5 or 6. Whichever one had that. So if the event has 16 cars/positions in it, you can earn up to 16 points. And the events are unlocked by having X number of points earned within that category.

I keep forgetting to mention it but, as Famine already pointed out, this is very much a test/research to see how to community responds in all aspects. They may be trying this "career" or progression structure that they've used in the past to see whether it's viable as the progression system for GT8.

It's probably not the ideal system for me but I guess it's okay. I'd rather have something like GT2 where the licenses are used to unlock tiers of racing. But I guess many or some amount of people hate license tests so 🤷‍♂️
 
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hawkeyez
As for my “wish list” it’s not a wish list, it’s an example
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Yeah, I didn't say it was. Or refer to it in any way.

I was saying you've not used the actual tools available to you to convey the content you want in the game to people making the game. Posting about it in random threads helps nobody.

The Suggestions forums have existed since 2014. PD asked us to make it. PD also recently reiterated the fact it uses sources like forums to create its future content plans. If you want certain content, you should be using that resource to make it as easy as possible to have your voice heard.
hawkeyez
so feel free to change it to, three random tracks, and three groups of classed cars

Only meant my comment as an example of what I’d expect for paid dlc.
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Which takes us back to the very first sentence of my response: you are unlikely to get such paid-DLC in GT because PD has avoided splitting the multiplayer by offering car and track packs since GT Sport.
 
suomi1
Have you heard about Lago Maggiore 1H? Regular AI can be even faster than this..
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A very good point. The Missions section shows that the standard AI can race to a far higher standard than it is given credit for.
 
The Power Pack from what I've seen so far sounds great and is giving me what I wanted out of GT7 since launch. A career mode more akin to classic GT, but with some extra challenges from the A.I. It's basically what I wished was in GT7 at the start instead of what GT Cafe was.

I love the extra little things of also being able to race against A.I. cars with special liveries and tuning options. Much like in those special events added plus the chili pepper events.

Though I will say paying for it stings a bit, even though I understand their choice for doing so. Mainly because once again, this was a career mode I wanted out of GT7 from the beginning plus some more classic GT style events. Plus the 24 hour races were something promised back in 2022 and it made me assume we were getting those for free.

Their choice of monetizing it however makes sense. We were given free content including new events already and still will probably be given free content after this power pack. The quality of said content of course varies as some has been pretty bad, but the fact they didn't charge money for content that long along with back in GT Sport is admirable. Other game developers monetize the stuff they've been releasing for free.

Also, as much as I and others I've talked to online would've preferred paid DLC to be focused on the cars and tracks instead. There's flaws with that and complaints that come with paid online DLC for cars & tracks. Not everyone is willing or can pay for those things, which can make online racing lobbies limited when using DLC content in those. I remember back in GT5 wanting to race on Spa with some friends I made, but they couldn't because they didn't have the DLC. I can see the same problem here in GT7 if PD went that route. There's that and DLC cars pontentially becoming meta cars, ones that dominate races; giving those players an unfair advantage. This kind of thing has happened in Forza. Meanwhile a single player DLC like this wouldn't have those affects, making it the sensible choice.

Though honestly, this as paid DLC sounds like a hefty expansion pack in terms of content. You get improved A.I., new races that provide a lot of time of gameplay. I mean, there's 24 hour endurance events included, that alone already makes the gameplay time here longer than a lot of expansion packs other companies have made for their games. I'm pretty sure I've seen DLC packs being charged a similar price for only 5 hours of extended gameplay. With that said however, this DLC should not be charged for more than $20 imo. I might pay if it's $25-30, but if it gets to $50 like from that faked URL. Then, I'm going to wait for a discount.
 
I'll be honest, for me personally, qualifying is neat but I've never felt a single-player racing game has ever actually been improved by adding dedicated practice sessions.

I get the mimicking reality aspect but it always just boils down to becoming an extra menu and loading screen you skip through.
 
05XR8
As someone pointed out about the User being #24 from the Nurb TT screen shot. If we finally have 30 car grids I’m going to lose it.
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Absolutely. I want to create full fields with multiclass racing and 20 cars now just don't cut it (especially since we know 24 is possible. It's just not an option through custom races for whatever arbitrary reason PD implemented).
 
Nakano219
I'll be honest, for me personally, qualifying is neat but I've never felt a single-player racing game has ever actually been improved by adding dedicated practice sessions.

I get the mimicking reality aspect but it always just boils down to becoming an extra menu and loading screen you skip through.
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Well, it beats the "chase the rabbit" mode and also placing you randomly in the grid. Sorry, I totally misread your statement. But yeah, practice is for setups.
 
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Nacho Libre
Well, it beats the "chase the rabbit" mode and also placing you randomly in the grid.
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That's qualifying, not practice:

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Practice is just practice. It doesn't set the grid, which is what qualifying is for.

Practice can be useful for making sure you don't have a stupid setup before you commit, but otherwise...
 
Elytre
It is kinda funny seeing Ppl beeing pissed off that their 12 Year old PS4 can't handle the newest tec, me as a PS5 Owner, i am pissed GT7 launched on PS4 at all, as it was certainly a cut to the full potential of the game in the first place.
So PS4 Users, please be happy you got GT7 at all, including all its free Updates, only beeing excluded from the Sophy Program, wich seems to be a hardware thing. Even PS5 is now exactly 5 Years old, you may think about an upgrade some day.

Regarding the OG Post, the DLC, i have to admit to many others that the main problem seems to be the price, wich isn't even officially announced, as well a big lag in information about the content itself.
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Well, to be fair the PS5 even after 5 years still has no games. Sooo I can see why people didn’t ever feel the need to get one.
 
As a PS4 player, I can understand why this DLC is PS5 exclusive, but it does sting a bit that there isn't a simpler version of it for the older console. Personally, I'm not too fussed about it, since the DLC doesn't lock players away from tracks or cars. I hate games that do that (ever since NFS MW 2012... :banghead:).

I do wish that the discourse online about "PS4 vs PS5" wasn't so black and white though. Still, I hope that everyone that ends up buying the DLC enjoys it. :)
 
jonoholland29
Donington.

It’s on the River Don (or Don River if you’re American)

Nevermind… it’s the River Trent. And I’ve been to Donington many times 😳
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My bad. I typed list twice in one of my comments and it auto corrected to lost for me. But I needed list, not lost lol
 
Seikenfreak
I think that stars and locks are an indicator its going to use the progression system from uh.. GT5 or 6. Whichever one had that. So if the event has 16 cars/positions in it, you can earn up to 16 points. And the events are unlocked by having X number of points earned within that category.

I keep forgetting to mention it but, as Famine already pointed out, this is very much a test/research to see how to community responds in all aspects. They may be trying this "career" or progression structure that they've used in the past to see whether it's viable as the progression system for GT8.

It's probably not the ideal system for me but I guess it's okay. I'd rather have something like GT2 where the licenses are used to unlock tiers of racing. But I guess many or some amount of people hate license tests so 🤷‍♂️
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I think viable or not doesn’t apply. Remember the interview Kaz said about licence tests?
05XR8
Indeed. Remember, Kaz said the veteran players will have to suck it up for the new players. This game will be brand new to those new players.

.... but but,... he also said he wants new players to have that experience
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Of course PD will see how players play and use that data for whatever(as seen with the Weekly Challenges looking to become races in the PP). In the end PD gonna do PD. Even when they really stuffed in March 2022.
 
Hlavco
I'm not understanding a lot of the discourse here.

"Paid DLC should have cars and tracks, I don't care about new races."

Great news! You get the cars and tracks for free, and don't have to spend the money on the races you don't want! Everybody wins.
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I get that way of thinking, I can only speak for myself but I think where a lot of that is coming from is yes we get cars and tracks for free but for me, there’s been a few tracks I could care less for and many cars I wouldn’t ever pay money for. So we see dlc, you get your hopes up thinking maybe just maybe it’ll be more focused car types but no, it’s better AI and some races and other things like practice and qualifying which feels like it should of been in the game to begin with.

Also for the PS4 users, it’s too bad they don’t get those races just not with Sophy 3.0. I’ll definitely be waiting to see what this paid dlc comes with in detail because you’re right, I may not care to buy it, I’ll just keep getting cars I probably don’t care for and hopefully these next two tracks are good, although that or just looks like a bunch of long straights.
 
km666
A very good point. The Missions section shows that the standard AI can race to a far higher standard than it is given credit for.
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Not really. It can LAP at a faster pace, but it doesn't race any faster. You can see it in the custom races as well. It can eclipse your lap time easily, but it doesn't do that while it is actively racing you. It's just lapping. The Lago Maggiore mission is still about chasing down the leader, with the leader simply being further away and more difficult to catch.

Sophy, when set up properly, will race you. You chop and change positions with it. You can start a Sophy race on pole and still need to be on your game to win.

What we're hoping to see with 3.0 is a hybrid of 2.0 and 2.0 with boost. The boost makes it VERY racey, but if you pull ahead, the boost makes it ridiculously fast, much faster than the car is set up for.
 
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Nakano219
I'll be honest, for me personally, qualifying is neat but I've never felt a single-player racing game has ever actually been improved by adding dedicated practice sessions.

I get the mimicking reality aspect but it always just boils down to becoming an extra menu and loading screen you skip through.
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I've found it useful for getting a feel for the car and trying things that would cost you a lot of time if they went wrong in a race.
 
Seikenfreak
On a different positive note: @jrbabbitt 's free PS5 is now in the hands of UPS. Should only be a couple days. I hope he comes back to the forum and gives his opinions on how he likes GT7 on PS5 vs the PS4 and maybe convinces some people that it is a meaningful difference worth peoples money. I also hope Sophy crushes him under her boot! And I also hope he isn't on here stirring up trouble, being mean, makes me regret this decision :lol:

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this. 👊

this is all kinds of awesome. :)
 
Seikenfreak
On a different positive note: @jrbabbitt 's free PS5 is now in the hands of UPS. Should only be a couple days. I hope he comes back to the forum and gives his opinions on how he likes GT7 on PS5 vs the PS4 and maybe convinces some people that it is a meaningful difference worth peoples money. I also hope Sophy crushes him under her boot! And I also hope he isn't on here stirring up trouble, being mean, makes me regret this decision :lol:
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I want to thank @Seikenfreak very much for the free PS5. I will come back to report how well the new console is doing for me. Also I expect Sophy to kick my bum all over as it will be so different than the standard AI.
Also no I am not stirring up trouble here in fact I have been quiet and reflecting on what others have been posting about things like GT7 should have been PS5 alone and would have had it not for the initial launch there were more PS4 users over the PS5 (and changed that balance to the PS5 quickly)
I have to agree with the user base that is PS5 that it is a better platform for Gran Turismo.

Famine
Unlikely, as PD neither sets the price nor receives the income from sales.
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How does PD get compensation for the creation, development, publication, and/or sales of Gran Turismo?
Famine
That doesn't mean PS4 players should be happy about not having access to the Power Pack (and not having to spend money on it if they want the new races), but I don't think that being particularly angry about it makes so much sense either.
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I was initially upset and angry at the news of the powerpack DLC excluding PS4 users (I was being selfish because I didn't have nor could afford and took it little personal) but in reading the many opposing opinions (excluding the ChatGpt fodder) I saw that I was in the wrong for voicing my opinion and with the gratefully accepted donation of a PS5 from @Seikenfreak i will have a platform to use and will see things from the other side of this discussion.
Again I will report my findings and joy of being a PS5 GT7 user...
 
jrbabbitt
How does PD get compensation for the creation, development, publication, and/or sales of Gran Turismo?
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Broadly, it only gets money for the first two things, from SIE.

In effect (although not entirely in practice), PD can be considered a department of SIE. SIE funds the development of the game by giving PD a (n eight-figure) budget, PD develops the game, SIE does all the promo and PR, and takes the money from sales - and from MTX and, soon, DLC. That informs the next budget for the next game, and the cycle continues. If SIE decides no more GT, it can effectively close PD down even though PD is technically a company.

PD also has its own revenue streams via partnerships with other brands - like, if it creates the infotainment graphics for the Nissan GT-R, for example, whatever flow of funds results from that would go to PD, not SIE.
jrbabbitt
I saw that I was in the wrong for voicing my opinion
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For the most part, this is rarely the case. Opinions can be wrong* but on something like this there's no right/wrong opinion anyway, and voicing it can't be wrong.

*There's a great article on this called "No you are not entitled to your opinion", dealing with the difference between having an opinion on subjective phenomena like your favourite colour and objective matters like "the Earth is a spheroid".
 
Famine
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For the most part, this is rarely the case. Opinions can be wrong* but on something like this there's no right/wrong opinion anyway, and voicing it can't be wrong.
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But I had seen from others postings that I was being selfish in my opinionated rant and therefore it was wrong. This is why I feel the need to apologize to the readers.
 
Indeed, I don't think the opinion of @jrbabbitt or PS4 users is necessarily wrong, just that we kinda need to look at this realistically. We definitely are in a different age with all this cross generation software and long life cycles, but man.. Imagine how much better or farther along GT7 would be if they weren't told to go back and support the PS4.

It'd be great if more people could get PS5s and enjoy the game. Even better if you get a PS5 Pro because it can look even better. Unfortunately, systems have become a high $$$ expenditure, not exactly because of their high price tag but, at least here in the US, it feels like income has not increased alongside the inflation. I'm just an idiot with poor spending habits who likes to have the new cool thing as soon as I can.

*I'll also note here that I'm okay with spending some money on things I know I am going to use a lot and enjoy, like a PlayStation or the TV. It helps distract from the misery that is life. Contrast that with an Xbox or Nintendo, where I used to buy them all back in the day, but now I don't even bother cause I know I would barely use them and it's a waste. I've been around the whole proverbial hardware-cycle-block enough times.

Then again, if you don't like what GT7 is or the experience it provides, or maybe you think there are 0 good games available for PS5, then you don't need to get one and can save yourself a chunk of money :lol:
 
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Nakano219
I'll be honest, for me personally, qualifying is neat but I've never felt a single-player racing game has ever actually been improved by adding dedicated practice sessions.

I get the mimicking reality aspect but it always just boils down to becoming an extra menu and loading screen you skip through.
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I have to disagree, it was either project cars 1 or 2 where you’d qualify say 1st or 2nd and it was battle for 1st, 2nd or 3rd maybe even 4th or 5th, when you had the AI difficulty set correctly for yourself. I’d much rather start up front and race holding AI off or trying to claw back positions than chase them down. The way GT7 is right now, qualifying wouldn’t work since that’s pretty much how the game works… the race has started before you even get started. And it’s lame. So if they have grid starts and this Sophy 3.0 is something else, then qualifying at least makes sense. The fact we can tune cars and add and take away parts their AI AI competition is always going to be all over since so many cars can be tuned to be ridiculously fast.
 

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