Gran Turismo 7 “Power Pack” Paid DLC Now Available: New Races Including Endurance Events, Qualifying, and “Sophy 3.0”

[tonidavid5]

Imagine if year after year, every race you watch was the same forever. Would you continue watching these races?
And would you pay for it?

I don't get that analogy.

Although I understand the logic behind wishing for bigger race payouts when replaying this presumably mission-style PP events, rather than a one-off prize, that has nothing to do, in my opinion, with the fun I get out of the game, or the reason for it being a payed DLC.

If Sophie 3.0 is what we all expect, then those events would be replayable forever as, basically, the outcome is not pre-determined or scripted and every race, even with the same grid and racetrack, will end up being unique in how it turns out, not to mention that if you have to qualify for it, different start positions might get you to fight for different results in the race. That, to me, is the core of the fun I get out of the game. Replayability of a given set of historic events (track, grid, cars,, liveries, etc), without knowing what to expect every time and with no 'chase-the-rabbit' approach.

If that Sophie 3.0 also replaces 2.0 in the custom races ... then we are all for a whole new chapter of even more fun, as I'm amazed by what some the community has been able to achieve with the limited set of tools we have yet with Sophie 2.0.

 

[M Stark]

You can play missions over and over, but they only pay one time and you don’t get to choose your car.

The fear is that these are one time pay (not play) events with pre selected cars.

To me, the fear is not about the pay but being locked into specific pretuned cars. Just the idea of it gives me the ick.

Having said that, I’m skeptical but remain hopeful.

 

[suomi1]

I don't get that analogy.

Although I understand the logic behind wishing for bigger race payouts when replaying this presumably mission-style PP events, rather than a one-off prize, that has nothing to do, in my opinion, with the fun I get out of the game, or the reason for it being a payed DLC.

If Sophie 3.0 is what we all expect, then those events would be replayable forever as, basically, the outcome is not pre-determined or scripted and every race, even with the same grid and racetrack, will end up being unique in how it turns out, not to mention that if you have to qualify for it, different start positions might get you to fight for different results in the race. That, to me, is the core of the fun I get out of the game. Replayability of a given set of historic events (track, grid, cars,, liveries, etc), without knowing what to expect every time and with no 'chase-the-rabbit' approach.

If that Sophie 3.0 also replaces 2.0 in the custom races ... then we are all for a whole new chapter of even more fun, as I'm amazed by what some the community has been able to achieve with the limited set of tools we have yet with Sophie 2.0.

I couldn't care less about payouts, especially more than 3 years after release. I've got all the cars, I have many duplicate for some of them (like 6 Porsche 917K as an exemple, for custom race mode). What is missing from the game for me as an exclusive solo player is replayability.

I find myself still replaying GT5 endurance races from time to time, but not GT7 missions. I haven't even done them all.

If the Power Pack is just made of even more restrictive missions, I will pass on this one. I can already achieve far better than PD on my own thanks to their Custom Race mode for free, despite its many flaws.

 

[GlamFM]

To me, the fear is not about the pay but being locked into specific pretuned cars. Just the idea of it gives me the ick.

Having said that, I’m skeptical but remain hopeful.

Yeah yeah. That's me as well. I have every car and 99 mil in the bank. Don't care about the credits personally.

 

[Elytre]

I don't get it anyway why PD doesn't add more Races to do, that would be the most loved and lowest effort update they could make, stop spending 6 months programming some weird Hybrid plastic Boxes, instead invest a few days designing some hundred events, EVERY Track should have some WTC 600 / 700 Races, many Tracks could have WTC 800, Gr.1,2,3- Formula and what not Races, you have the Tracks, you have the Cars... why design those 1hr Races as "play once" Missions, even if they pay 1Mil for 1hr only, as said above, after 3Yrs couldn't even care less about the payout, and 1 Mil is still okayish.

They could even add the already designed special Events from the Weekly Races, some of them where really awesome.

I just repeat what many said, there are over 550 Cars in GT7, you actually use like 100 of them and i bet many of you have Cars in their Garage with 0 Miles, never driven... Not even talking about those many Cars that don't fit anywhere... whats the Point of owning the McLaren P1 GTR or that 50s Mercedes Formula Car?

Having Street Cars with that aweful Fuel efficienty just eliminates another big portion of usable Cars for all 700+ Races...

 

[Ande3200]

Hopefully they are not just one time thing. But i dont think they anything that sugest either sign of the coin yet. We just have wait patiently for pd to reveal the rest for spec lll and power pack witch should be soon with only 2 weeks away.

 

[MMX]

If they're a one time payout, the price of the DLC better reflect that, ie be cheap.

 

[benjoi84]

I don't get it anyway why PD doesn't add more Races to do, that would be the most loved and lowest effort update they could make, stop spending 6 months programming some weird Hybrid plastic Boxes, instead invest a few days designing some hundred events, EVERY Track should have some WTC 600 / 700 Races, many Tracks could have WTC 800, Gr.1,2,3- Formula and what not Races, you have the Tracks, you have the Cars... why design those 1hr Races as "play once" Missions, even if they pay 1Mil for 1hr only, as said above, after 3Yrs couldn't even care less about the payout, and 1 Mil is still okayish.

They could even add the already designed special Events from the Weekly Races, some of them where really awesome.

I just repeat what many said, there are over 550 Cars in GT7, you actually use like 100 of them and i bet many of you have Cars in their Garage with 0 Miles, never driven... Not even talking about those many Cars that don't fit anywhere... whats the Point of owning the McLaren P1 GTR or that 50s Mercedes Formula Car?

Having Street Cars with that aweful Fuel efficienty just eliminates another big portion of usable Cars for all 700+ Races...

The Missions paying only once has been a gripe of mine since day one... So many possibilities missed! Don't get me wrong, I'm not desperate for credits but at the end of the day credits=progression in a game without a proper career. Having a healthy bank balance allows the player to experiment unrestricted in other areas of the game. Also, with the community's "play like it's your job" mentality they're literally competing against the grindey events in terms of popularity.

With regards to road car fuel economy, let's all keep our fingers crossed for that fuel tank upgrade in the next update!!

 

[hawkeyez]

I don't understand the reasoning behind one time payments for missions. Like maybe they shouldn't be missions?

I would love to run the Miata race again, but even an hour per 1M credits, is not a great use of time. So to do it for free is pointless.

Welcome to the world of Gran Turismo. Hey that was fun, but I either don’t get paid again or the payout is really low and I have limited time to play this game and I need to unlock aka buy more cars that I’d like to have in the game. Not to mention it makes me buy and race cars I don’t car for to get to the cars I do want. Haha

How would it be pointless if you enjoyed doing it ?

Limited time, need to buy the cars he wants, make good use of his doing so.

If the events are fun, who cares if they only pay the first time?

Limited time, need to buy the cars he wants, make good use of his doing so.

And this is the thing with Gran Turismo, it’s essentially a car collecting game. If when you bought the game, everything was already unlocked, I wonder how that experience would be? Would there be a lot of fun races or would you just feel like what’s the point? The game is set up to grind, earn money and buy cars. By the time you’ve completed that, you may be sick of the game. Like sardegna, I enjoyed that race, the first couple times but having to race it over and over ruined it for me. Did I need to race it over and over? No, but if I hadn’t I wouldn’t have the cars I have now because I mostly wanted to race with people. So I’d log on after work, do one sardegna before racing buddies showed up then we’d race for 3 hours together and I’d make about 10% of what I made on the 20 minutes before. If they paid out decent for online lobbies my in game bank account would have blown long ago.

 

[Seikenfreak]

I've been cynical from the start saying these could very well be Mission-like.

I want repeatable payouts so I can get credits to play and mess around in the game the way that I want to, which also I think aligns with what GT is designed around? Vehicle collection and stuff. Again, I dunno how some of you have seemingly infinite credits. I do not want to grind credits all day every day. Even a race I like, the 1hr Spa race for example, I will only occasionally repeat it. I'm assuming the people who have whole custom grids of 10+ mil cars etc were using the credit exploit and just running it constantly when they themselves weren't actively playing it. I'm not really into that idea either.

Options. Options are always good. It also doesn't really make sense to me why it's okay for standard events to have repeatable rewards but potentially not these race-length missions. Sure, not the Missions that are easy and take 1 min to complete.

We'll see but, as usual, I'm expecting the worst.

 

[Lomic]

Limited time, need to buy the cars he wants, make good use of his doing so.

Seeing is member of GTP since 2009, chances are he got GT7 a while ago, so I hope by now he got rid of the grind and can play without regards to how much credits any activity in the game is rewarding his time.

 

[juanffy18]

Why would e.g. an "All Japan GT Championship" be a mission that you can never touch again? There's not one event that we have seen as being included in the Powerpack content that qualifies as being called a mission. It's either single races or championships. Why wouldn't you be able to play them over and over again? (You maybe only get the gift car once, but who cares?)

Maybe everyone wants something more interesting than the same 800 SPA race, Le Mans 700, Sardegna 800 over and over again.

In those races you can use the cars what you like and the pay is good, but it's enough 3 years of the same.

 

[hawkeyez]

Seeing is member of GTP since 2009, chances are he got GT7 a while ago, so I hope by now he got rid of the grind and can play without regards to how much credits any activity in the game is rewarding his time.

I’ve been a member for a long time, but for the most part skipped GT6 and GT Sport and came back for GT7.

My grind in game isn’t even over yet. I’ve said it before, this game is based on playing by yourself if you want to earn a decent amount of credits.

If somebody is a casual player and they log on to race but see their friends have a lobby open, you earn pennies in the dollar compared to any single player race in GT7.

The game has lasting power but that’s mostly based on the fact you collect cars and need credits to do so. And to do so efficiently, you need to race alone.

 

[tonidavid5]

Fir me, GT7 was my first one. I agree that a major part of the game is the car collecting while progressing through the array of menu books, licenses and missions, to achieve a high enough collector level to unlock premium parts, etc. And quite enjoyable it was (partly because, being my first GT, I wasn't marked by past experiences in previous iterations).

But once I finished the menu books and the licenses, I started leaning more into the TTs, some Sports mode Daily races, the pleasure of tuning the cars in my garage and applying all the fabulous liveries some of you guys create. WCs are now the cornerstone of my limited playing time.

But once I had been collector level 50 for a while there was no shame in taking away the game money in the bank from the equation, so I set an Honda Beat at Daytona profiting from the known glitch and mounted a couple of rubber bands on a spare pad so I can remotely run some AFK grinding while actually doing something else, like work from home.
I can now focus all my playing time on actually making the most of the game by playing it the way I enjoy it now.

Long story short, I still get a kick out of this game the way it is now and I'm expecting for much more to come with the Spec III and the DLC. For example, if updated Sophie is close to what we expect, for me repeatability of this new mission style events would be huge as I don't have the time to fine tune the current nuisances of Customs Races (rubberbanding, chase the rabbit, limited tire choices, etc) to build my own set of events with a balanced grid.

 

[pizza93878]

The fact that the thumbnail alone shows some modifications unavailable as of now makes me think. The fact the beetle AND the 911 are basically confirmed to have rally mods has some leeway into insane builds. I would love a rally 911 personally.

 

[hawkeyez]

Fir me, GT7 was my first one. I agree that a major part of the game is the car collecting while progressing through the array of menu books, licenses and missions, to achieve a high enough collector level to unlock premium parts, etc. And quite enjoyable it was (partly because, being my first GT, I wasn't marked by past experiences in previous iterations).

But once I finished the menu books and the licenses, I started leaning more into the TTs, some Sports mode Daily races, the pleasure of tuning the cars in my garage and applying all the fabulous liveries some of you guys create. WCs are now the cornerstone of my limited playing time.

But once I had been collector level 50 for a while there was no shame in taking away the game money in the bank from the equation, so I set an Honda Beat at Daytona profiting from the known glitch and mounted a couple of rubber bands on a spare pad so I can remotely run some AFK grinding while actually doing something else, like work from home.
I can now focus all my playing time on actually making the most of the game by playing it the way I enjoy it now.

Long story short, I still get a kick out of this game the way it is now and I'm expecting for much more to come with the Spec III and the DLC. For example, if updated Sophie is close to what we expect, for me repeatability of this new mission style events would be huge as I don't have the time to fine tune the current nuisances of Customs Races (rubberbanding, chase the rabbit, limited tire choices, etc) to build my own set of events with a balanced grid.

So you ran the AFK hack to help you enjoy the game. Got it. Haha

I think that’s my problem. All this time I’ve been playing the game the way it was intended to be played and it’s a GRIND. So much so I couldn’t bring myself to do yet another single player race.

 

[Dave A]

Seeing is member of GTP since 2009, chances are he got GT7 a while ago, so I hope by now he got rid of the grind and can play without regards to how much credits any activity in the game is rewarding his time.

Some people get enjoyment from games through a sense of progression, simply repeating an event and receiving zero reward back can diminish that sense of progression and an element of enjoyment with it. I understand your point, and you aren't wrong, but that mindset doesn't apply for everyone. That's why some people hate the fact you have to buy cars, and some people love it, people enjoy different aspects of a games struture and what that brings with it. Back in the day I used to enjoy spending hours hotlapping cars and tweaking the settings, now my game time is much more limited, I want to use that time to acheive something in the game. I've had GT7 since launch, but I still don't have every car, I probably never will.

 

[Lomic]

I've had GT7 since launch, but I still don't have every car, I probably never will.

I think that if you have few time to play (I don't play a lot compared to many people I know here), it is an ever better reason to avoid grinding and concentrate on what event you find enjoyable, regardless of how much it will bring in terms of credits. Moreover when there are only a small handful of events that pay much more than anything else. And you should forget the impulse to collect all cars.

 

[Dave A]

I think that if you have few time to play (I don't play a lot compared to many people I know here), it is an ever better reason to avoid grinding and concentrate on what event you find enjoyable, regardless of how much it will bring in terms of credits. Moreover when there are only a small handful of events that pay much more than anything else. And you should forget the impulse to collect all cars.

You are missing the point, which isn't about me, it's that people take enjoyment from different things, including the grind or working towards things. Personally, I don't enjoy just repeating the same events, so I don't do that, but some people do. However, I do want the events I complete to give me something towards the next car I buy or tune etc.

I am very uninclined to repeat events that won't reward the time and effort in any tangiable way, because I might not play again until the next update and then I might want to try some of the new cars from that, and I'll need Cr to do that.

I would like to have every car in the game (it is a key objective of the game after all) but I don't remove my personal enjoyment of the game in favour of maximising Cr income to acheive that. Don't confuse wanting to acheive some form or tangiable progress when a person plays with mindlessly grinding without having fun. If my goal was simply to earn as many credits as possible, I'd run a script and leave that runing a custom race over and over.

I'm not a fan of the economy or grind in GT7, though at the same time I do enjoy games that have a progression system and don't just hand everything out to you from the start. Each to thier own on that one, I just wish the economy in GT7 and event payouts were far better balanced than they are.

 

[hawkeyez]

Collecting cars is fine, the problem comes when that’s the point of the game and only specific races pay well. It’s human nature to take the shortest route possible.

I’ve said since day one, if all the races paid out the same for time invested, that would solve the GRIND of the game issue. Why of you have 30 minutes to play. Would you race any other race than the big three if you’re still needing specific cars? You wouldn’t, until you have all the cars. By the time you have all the cars, you’re probably done with the game.

Anyway that’s all slightly off topic to the DLC. On related because it pertains to the “why we are paying for something that was lacking in the first place” argument.

I don’t think I’ll get much out of the races they’re providing and it bugs me to pay them for better AI. If their original AI was much better than I’d be intrigued, as in how could it get any better, but the standard AI hasn’t set the bar very high and it’s lower than other racing games (even older games) so it feels like why am I expected to pay for that?

Going back to the other topic, I think had the game just paid out X amount for how long it takes to complete certain races (to combat from people parking their car for a race and going to eat lunch) less people would have a bad taste in their mouth about a lot of stuff. 22 minutes at sardegna pays out way more than 22 minutes of other races besides the other big two races. It’s mind boggling why it’s that way and takes away the enjoyment factor of being able to fire it up and just race because in the back of your head, you can’t help but think, I still need this car and I could be earning a lot more credits right now. Haha

 

[05XR8]

I think that if you have few time to play (I don't play a lot compared to many people I know here), it is an ever better reason to avoid grinding and concentrate on what event you find enjoyable, regardless of how much it will bring in terms of credits. Moreover when there are only a small handful of events that pay much more than anything else. And you should forget the impulse to collect all cars.

It’s just that for me. I had the game since debut and only just bought the 917k(I do still have an early 917K in one of my alt accounts) and 330. Sold them both because I don’t need them. Still have no desire to buy every car.

 

[Kentali92]

I don't get it anyway why PD doesn't add more Races to do, that would be the most loved and lowest effort update they could make, stop spending 6 months programming some weird Hybrid plastic Boxes, instead invest a few days designing some hundred events, EVERY Track should have some WTC 600 / 700 Races, many Tracks could have WTC 800, Gr.1,2,3- Formula and what not Races, you have the Tracks, you have the Cars... why design those 1hr Races as "play once" Missions, even if they pay 1Mil for 1hr only, as said above, after 3Yrs couldn't even care less about the payout, and 1 Mil is still okayish.

They could even add the already designed special Events from the Weekly Races, some of them where really awesome.

I just repeat what many said, there are over 550 Cars in GT7, you actually use like 100 of them and i bet many of you have Cars in their Garage with 0 Miles, never driven... Not even talking about those many Cars that don't fit anywhere... whats the Point of owning the McLaren P1 GTR or that 50s Mercedes Formula Car?

Having Street Cars with that aweful Fuel efficienty just eliminates another big portion of usable Cars for all 700+ Races...

agree with that fuel efficiency thing, need to add an option to have bigger tanks for regular cars or make them useful in some money making races.

 

[benjoi84]

Collecting cars is fine, the problem comes when that’s the point of the game and only specific races pay well. It’s human nature to take the shortest route possible.

Of course, owning all of the cars and driving all of the cars are two different things.

I just spent 25 minutes trying to win a Sunday Cup race using the Toyota Prius, for 12,000 credits. I did it because the randomizer told me to, and i saw it as a challenge.

Bloody hell, never again though. It was a horrible experience 🤣

 

[Voodoovaj]

I completely overhauled my garage after the Spec 2/Sophy 2.0 update. My biggest gripe with the legend cars is both cost and usefulness. 20mil credits is a lot of work, and to what end? Custom races, maybe? Well, before Sophy they were boring and borderline useless as well.

Now, I have created fun races, and I'm populating them with some of the legends as the possibility arises. I'd like a 917 and 330 (both of which I have sold a few times before) so I can make a 1970's style mixed field.

Still, it's hard to justify 20mil for a single 250 GTO when I can buy and entire field of F3500's for less. I know it supposed to be tied to the real world value, but in the real world, these cars are flipped for profit. Here, it's just a credit burn, so there should be a lower price cap.

 

[Gerarghini]

Even if it does end up being one-time missions, I personally won't mind so long as Sophy 3.0 comes with a way to "build" these missions/race weekends via custom races; to have to do these races via cars I can't choose would kill my excitement

I still have this feeling that the main draw of this will be Sophy 3.0, not the races as we've already seen variations of them through the special weekly events.

 

[hawkeyez]

Of course, owning all of the cars and driving all of the cars are two different things.

I just spent 25 minutes trying to win a Sunday Cup race using the Toyota Prius, for 12,000 credits. I did it because the randomizer told me to, and i saw it as a challenge.

Bloody hell, never again though. It was a horrible experience 🤣

Yes, I don’t own all cars and have sold ones I don’t use. Mostly drive the older stuff. Have a few new ones just incase.

So mostly I’m missing that McLaren F1 and that old old thing at $20,000,000. The name of it is on the tip of my tongue. Big boat.

Pet peeve, and somebody mentioned it, selling cars like the 917k and P4 330 because they can’t use it anywhere or maybe just one race. I kept them for racing with friends.

So hopefully Sophy 3.0 gets introduced into custom races and makes for some good themed races.

I made a trans am one and eventually gave up. 10 laps. I thought I just had it figured out but then you make one adjustment to the field and suddenly a different car is way out front. I have a really good fun race until lap 6 or 7 and then it’s just driving laps. That’s mostly because it’s jammed packed field and you have to pick your way through. By the time you do get through the front runner is GONE!!!

If Sophy 3.0 does make it to custom races and requires way less effort to build good races, they should make custom racing shareable in my opinion. Now THAT would open up some possibilities. People share already but it’s a time consuming process (just like tune sharing) not only for the person setting them up but also for the person copying what they had and then maybe they’re better or worse than you so that throws a wrench into it too.

Sophy 3.0 should be, qualify, Sophy analyzes your qualify time and races accordingly and believably. If people want to botch their qualifying time to make it easier so be it. Imagine a seven year old having a palm sweating race against a shoot at their level. Haha

*** and let us apply different liveries to the same car for custom races. I tried making a 432Z custom race. It’s ridiculous I have to buy 15 of them just to run different liveries haha.

 

[kjb]

It’s just that for me. I had the game since debut and only just bought the 917k(I do still have an early 917K in one of my alt accounts) and 330. Sold them both because I don’t need them. Still have no desire to buy every car.

I have had the game from the jump as well and I still don't have all the cars and I don't plan on getting them. That said as far the DLC is concerned I hope they are not one and done with a pre-selected car. I am not fan of the missions races that we have now and I have only done a few that interest me. Again I am excited that the DLC is coming but I am on the wait and see train

 

[happycorey]

Seeing is member of GTP since 2009, chances are he got GT7 a while ago, so I hope by now he got rid of the grind and can play without regards to how much credits any activity in the game is rewarding his time.

Arguably I have. I have every car and I played for probably the first two years every day for at least my daily mileage. On the flip side, I don't enjoy the content that has been recycled over the last 6-8 months and I've got bored of the game so I haven't played. I enjoy the few races that exist but it doesn't change the situation that the hour long endurance races should be apart of the campaign, and pay out multiple times.

 

[tonidavid5]

So hopefully Sophy 3.0 gets introduced into custom races and makes for some good themed races.
If Sophy 3.0 does make it to custom races and requires way less effort to build good races, they should make custom racing shareable in my opinion. Now THAT would open up some possibilities. People share already but it’s a time consuming process (just like tune sharing) not only for the person setting them up but also for the person copying what they had and then maybe they’re better or worse than you so that throws a wrench into it too.

Sophy 3.0 should be, qualify, Sophy analyzes your qualify time and races accordingly and believably. If people want to botch their qualifying time to make it easier so be it. Imagine a seven year old having a palm sweating race against a shoot at their level. Haha

*** and let us apply different liveries to the same car for custom races. I tried making a 432Z custom race. It’s ridiculous I have to buy 15 of them just to run different liveries haha.

I second all your aforementioned points for improvements and major quality of life gains,if not on the coming DLC, I really hope PD listens to this and includes those for GT8.

 

[hawkeyez]

I second all your aforementioned points for improvements and major quality of life gains,if not on the coming DLC, I really hope PD listens to this and includes those for GT7.

Hey but what do I know. Haha

I’m passionate about the game and I think that’s why so much irks me about it. I do wish I could take the steering wheel and make the changes. Even if they’re small or seem insignificant to some.

Games I don’t like, I just delete them and don’t think twice. This game has always been a love/hate for me. Haha