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I entered the "Top" 200! (8:12.113) #181
Top 10 in Brazil: #7 :D
 
Re the civic time trial. I ran stock chassis setup. The only thing I played with was the gearing. Stock diff.
My driving is not the best that can be done. I’d say there’s at least at least another 1.5 sec in my lap in a top guys hands.
My lap wasn’t perfect and I am under 3 seconds back.
I think that’s pretty good. I’d say changing tune is maybe not that effective unless you’re already within three seconds of the lead.
I would play around with that one more if I was more into ff.
CiVic I am around number 300. Porsche 3000 lol.
Just have not learned the nordschleife yet.
 
Is it actually wrong? This trick is used in Forza as well, to reduce the drag of the front and rear wings, increasing speed. You've got no chance of getting high up on the leaderboard for many speed cameras in FH4 if you don't do this.

Yes, it’s very wrong. The Civic has a spoiler, not a wing. A spoiler reduces drag, not increase it. This setup would actually increase drag on a non-aero car because it increases airflow to the high drag area under the car.

If I had to guess, the reason why this negative rake setup works is because you’re allowing for basically no weight transfer to the back of the car, keeping all grip up front, and there clearly being something wrong with the way GT (and Forza) calculates drag as it pertains to ride height. Also, the car would handle like crap setup this way, so any way you slice it, this is all wrong.
 
Yes, it’s very wrong. The Civic has a spoiler, not a wing. A spoiler reduces drag, not increase it. This setup would actually increase drag on a non-aero car because it increases airflow to the high drag area under the car.

If I had to guess, the reason why this negative rake setup works is because you’re allowing for basically no weight transfer to the back of the car, keeping all grip up front, and there clearly being something wrong with the way GT (and Forza) calculates drag as it pertains to ride height. Also, the car would handle like crap setup this way, so any way you slice it, this is all wrong.
I think GT does not calculate drag like that at all. I remember trying extreme ride height opposites on a car with a non adjustable rear wing on a straight line and getting the exact same top speed and it took the same amount of time to reach it too.
But anyway the civic event is pretty low speed so would drag really be a factor in the lap time?
For me the real question is if it helps going around corners more easily and whether it should or shouldn't.
 
It's nothing to do with the drag really at these low powered speeds, this is about more rotation. These backward settings are allowing for better/faster cornering. just as it did in GT5/6.

I think GT does not calculate drag like that at all. I remember trying extreme ride height opposites on a car with a non adjustable rear wing on a straight line and getting the exact same top speed and it took the same amount of time to reach it too.

Drag is calculated in the game but is only really noticeable at high/top speeds with high powered cars. Take the Tomahawk X for a run at Route X with level ride height and then these backward ride height settings, it's definitely a few X/ph faster.
 
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It's nothing to do with the drag really at these low powered speeds, this is about more rotation. These backward settings are allowing for better/faster cornering. just as it did in GT5/6.



Drag is calculated in the game but is only really noticeable at high/top speeds with high powered cars. Take the Tomahawk X for a run at Route X with level ride height and then these backward ride height settings, it's definitely a few X/ph faster.
are you sure? this was not what I experienced at all, it wasn't this car though.. Ill have to test that again
 
I always get my set ups from Best Motoring/Hot Version cars. It gives me a base set up with dampers and spring rates. Some even show Final Drive ratios. There are a plethora of Honda Civic set ups to try. Watch from 16:40


Main problem is, GT suspension springs don't go as high as real world settings.
 
The Australian is back on the podium in the final hours:

1- Dual_Wield-2........ 7:59.393
2- IOF-RACING17......7:59.715
3- TRL_holl01.............8:00.343

12.340 Participants.

I ended up improving my time to 8:11.431 (#159) #5 in Brazil.
I think I won't be out of "Top" 200 (my goal) with this new time lap. 👍

Willow Springs:

11.200 Drivers.
 
In regards to the negative rake increasing top speed, I remember this from some time back
Remember also the wheelie glitch in previous games? It's because PD only modelled the downforce as a force vector perpendicular to the car. So when you rake the car forwards (front high, rear low), the downforce vector is now pushing the car forwards and gives exponentially higher top speeds with more speed. Like so F \ <-- R
 
New time trials are up.

Mazda Touring Car around Suzuka East - no tuning.
Gr.3 around Interlagos - Tuning allowed.

These look much more up my street 👍

No word on rewards for the previous event although I only did the Civic time trial and finished around 2500th, so may not have been eligible for anything anyway.

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New time trials are up.

Mazda Touring Car around Suzuka East - no tuning.
Gr.3 around Interlagos - Tuning allowed.

These look much more up my street 👍

No word on rewards for the previous event although I only did the Civic time trial and finished around 2500th, so may not have been eligible for anything anyway.

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Very nice, I'll definitely chuck the Roadster around for a few giggles. Interlagos is a real struggle for me - I absolutely suck at the Senna S, but maybe if I chuck a billion horsepower in something slippery I can get a decent time by just yeeting it... I'm thinking 5.2 camber out front, 4.5 at the back, 60/55/35 diff should do the trick ^.^
 
My initial runs:

Interlagos, Toyota FT-1 - 1.35.697

To be honest, I'm not so interested in this one. I loathe the track and, seeing there's an Evo nearly 5 full seconds ahead of me, I doubt I can extract a good lap here especially with tuning in the mix. I have done some rudimentary tuning of road cars for better lap times but I'm certainly no expert and I'm fairly sure diff and gearing will be the difference maker here - I'm far more comfortable tuning suspension but I don't see how that'll go far with gr. 3 where everything comes out of the box stiff. If I see some good tips here I may take more runs while it's up, but I'm not up for banging my head against the tuning list for a track I don't really enjoy

Suzuka East - Mazda Roadster Touring Car - 1.02.917

This was a skechy lap and I'm sure I can bag a much quicker lap. This one is gonna create some obsessions; the CS tyres demand good car control as they will understeer, or the back will step out under too much power. Managing the rhythm through the esses is critical. Hitting the second apex at T1 is a real handful. My advice would be to pay attention to the tyre squeal - it's not so easy to detect when the rears are sliding as it is with more powerful cars.

168th at Suzuka, 206th at Interlagos, although those positions are bound to change a lot as it's early days.

Good luck out there, people.
 
Such a huge leap from Porsche Nordschleife combo to Mazdas at East Suzuka... Well, at least tires are right for the car, but i was expecting something else, more demanding.
Interesting to see will there be any 'shared positions' in top 25 with the exact same lap times.

Didn't GT5/6 rotate TT events weekly? Then closer to the game end, they started updating them every 2nd week?
I think weekly rotation would be just fine.

Edit: 3rd-4th already share the same time of 00.433
Don't like this.
 
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So is there a new page on the website now?

Nope, the website still doesn't acknowledge the existence of Time Trials (yet?). The above information is all from in-game.

It's a little frustrating as there's no way of seeing the actual results of the events that have ended. Maybe PD are going to do a news report or something but at the moment there's nothing. Just the two new events.
 
Nope, the website still doesn't acknowledge the existence of Time Trials (yet?). The above information is all from in-game.

It's a little frustrating as there's no way of seeing the actual results of the events that have ended. Maybe PD are going to do a news report or something but at the moment there's nothing. Just the two new events.
Sounds about right; hopefully we'll find out before long.

My prediction - prizes will be Mileage Points in various amounts, winner gets a spin on the wheel and probably a GT by Citroen.
 
Such a huge leap from Porsche Nordschleife combo to Mazdas at East Suzuka... Well, at least tires are right for the car, but i was expecting something else, more demanding.
Interesting to see will there be any 'shared positions' in top 25 with the exact same lap times.

Didn't GT5/6 rotate TT events weekly? Then closer to the game end, they started updating them every 2nd week?
I think weekly rotation would be just fine.
I think it was 2 weeks and by the end it got longer. I like 2 weeks, what they could do though is add new ones every week so that you got enough time for each but the choice of 4 events at all times. It was that way in GT6.

I can't say Im thrilled by these 2 new events. Im bad at tuning race cars, maybe cause Im bad at driving them and don't really notice much difference when I adjust something. I don't know, maybe the other one will be a blast..
 
My prediction - prizes will be Mileage Points in various amounts, winner gets a spin on the wheel and probably a GT by Citroen.
I'd hope that if there were going to be prizes, they'd have told everyone before it ended. I haven't done any of these yet as they seem totally pointless without the result contributing to something. I still don't understand what is "Sport Mode" about them.
 
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