Assetto Corsa PC Mods General DiscussionPC

[Peter Boese]

It is maybe also how "slop" is defined. I think with this project it is not slop in general, but the result is poor performance-wise.

So there is a good idea, but a preset click and go creator was used to generate a very complex app. And then it is the question how you can do a proper support to repair the slop that comes from the AI to get a proper working app.

And in AC/CSP this is kind of difficult, if you have a base like LUA, which is an easy language, but you must be very carefully what you are doing memory-wise and if you don't understand how the base works, a massive collection of common lua snippets, paired with a very unique SDK like the CSP one, creates slop, unless you are able to dig in deeply to repair all the parts where memory is create over and over.

And then again it would be much better to take the time to start from a simple base and trail and error to an advanced implementation and while you do that you know what you are doing. And sure you can take AI for this little steps so you see how something could be implemented. But you must understand it and you better combine all those parts with your own brain.

But when i'm looking through the code of those new crazy apps (and we will see much more of them in the near future), all the code is written by an Agent...

 

[racealot]

I was curious, because it looked crazy in the ad, but actually again all those new crazy things are vibe coding!
Or there are really crazy devs now which can write very great autistic-like structured code where all tabs are perfect and every thing is superb commented, but the result is then just **** performance-wise:View attachment 1556104

I mean how can you code such big project with all those features, but the memory goes crazy. So i have the feel this is vibe coded and the "coder" itself did not look in the debug stats and see what happens there.

BTW Pure is off so it does not have any interaction.

The idea is great, but the implementation is not done by a human! And it's not coded by a human if you are using a promt and let do all the things by an averaging technology. So at least there must be steps to proof this and debug it. But then again, who should read the code if you don't understand it?!

You've posted an interesting image depicting performance - have a query if you would be so kind to reply...

I see in the image you're monitoring the CPU % load (render-stats app), and CPU memory (debug app)...

How would you categorically rate the values shown on a user-performance-scale using say - Low, Low-Med, Medium, Med-High and High... Noting that user CPU model & speed varies somewhat across users - eg. what kind of PC performance are you using to achieve these resuts - apologies in advance for the thorough question - just being analytically inquisitive, many thanks.

It is maybe also how "slop" is defined. I think with this project it is not slop in general, but the result is poor performance-wise.

So there is a good idea, but a preset click and go creator was used to generate a very complex app. And then it is the question how you can do a proper support to repair the slop that comes from the AI to get a proper working app.

And in AC/CSP this is kind of difficult, if you have a base like LUA, which is an easy language, but you must be very carefully what you are doing memory-wise and if you don't understand how the base works, a massive collection of common lua snippets, paired with a very unique SDK like the CSP one, creates slop, unless you are able to dig in deeply to repair all the parts where memory is create over and over.

And then again it would be much better to take the time to start from a simple base and trail and error to an advanced implementation and while you do that you know what you are doing. And sure you can take AI for this little steps so you see how something could be implemented. But you must understand it and you better combine all those parts with your own brain.

But when i'm looking through the code of those new crazy apps (and we will see much more of them in the near future), all the code is written by an Agent...

Thanks for the feedback in reference to this Horizon app & Vibe Coding.

I've no doubt the use of digital AI will endure positive results progressively overtime (and quite possibly to our own demise - double edge sword, relatively speaking). It's hoped if used diligently, objectively & purposefully, we may presume the distant future is looking rosily.

 

[RMi_wood]

slop is as slop does

 

[racealot]

slop is as slop does

that would be sloppy

edit:
watching Atomic Blonde on the side, and a particular scene would have been perfectly applicable for this expression...

 

[Peter Boese]

You've posted an interesting image depicting performance - have a query if you would be so kind to reply...

I see in the image you're monitoring the CPU % load (render-stats app), and CPU memory (debug app)...

How would you categorically rate the values shown on a user-performance-scale using say - Low, Low-Med, Medium, Med-High and High... Noting that user CPU model & speed varies somewhat across users - eg. what kind of PC performance are you using to achieve these resuts - apologies in advance for the thorough question - just being analytically inquisitive, many thanks.

Sorry i don't really understand what you mean. Are you the dev of this app or are you in that group?

In the Lua Debug app you see how much memory the app currently is using. This number is constantly climbing, because you can't avoid some memory leaks, like with strings.

In Lua if you create a table it will reserve memory for this. Like you do:
local tbl = { 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 }

But if you do this again:
tbl = { 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 }

It will reserve a new area in your RAM for this and Lua markes the old area as garbage. And after some time the Lua garbage collector goes through this list and clears all the memory and marks it as usable again.

This process costs a lot of time and in case of this Horizon app the memory value jumps from 0 to 100MB in less then a second.
So if you have 90 fps, this app creates garbage of more than a megabyte in a frame.

Usually this memory value is moving slowly, like with Pure Planner app it wastes 10-50kb per second if it draws much text and so it uses much string functions.

So the garbage generation in the horizon app is like 1000-2000x higher.
And you see the result of this crazy garbage cleaning as a direct influence on the CPU.
Esp. if you monitor the frame time of the update cycle:

If you need 5 ms to do 1 cycle in this app, you can only achieve a resulting fps of 200 Hz if this would be the only thing that is done on the CPU in the CPU/Lua interpreter. But there are actually scripts for cars, track, displays, weather which must be calculated within a frame.

 

[racealot]

Sorry i don't really understand what you mean. Are you the dev of this app or are you in that group?

In the Lua Debug app you see how much memory the app currently is using. This number is constantly climbing, because you can't avoid some memory leaks, like with strings.

In Lua if you create a table it will reserve memory for this. Like you do:
local tbl = { 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 }

But if you do this again:
tbl = { 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 }

It will reserve a new area in your RAM for this and Lua markes the old area as garbage. And after some time the Lua garbage collector goes through this list and clears all the memory and marks it as usable again.

This process costs a lot of time and in case of this Horizon app the memory value jumps from 0 to 100MB in less then a second.
So if you have 90 fps, this app creates garbage of more than a megabyte in a frame.

Usually this memory value is moving slowly, like with Pure Planner app it wastes 10-50kb per second if it draws much text and so it uses much string functions.

So the garbage generation in the horizon app is like 1000-2000x higher.
And you see the result of this crazy garbage cleaning as a direct influence on the CPU.
Esp. if you monitor the frame time of the update cycle:
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If you need 5 ms to do 1 cycle in this app, you can only achieve a resulting fps of 200 Hz if this would be the only thing that is done on the CPU in the CPU/Lua interpreter. But there are actually scripts for cars, track, displays, weather which must be calculated within a frame.

Not associated in any way, form or shape with any App... Stumbled across it, as an alternate or parallel use to Content Manager...

Not even close to being a coder but do have a level+ of understanding when it comes to I.T. and the interaction between hardware & software, so your response even though digressive - makes sense, so, thank you & no, it was not what I was after.

Just a happy user of Assetto Corsa (mainly) and this forum (and acutely inquisitive about everything else life throws at you).

 

[Peter Boese]

Not associated in any way, form or shape with any App... Stumbled across it, as an alternate or parallel use to Content Manager...

Not even close to being a coder but do have a level+ of understanding when it comes to I.T. and the interaction between hardware & software, so your response even though digressive - makes sense, so, thank you & no, it was not what I was after.

Just a happy user of Assetto Corsa (mainly) and this forum (and acutely inquisitive about everything else life throws at you).

Actually it is not a replacement for Content Manager, because this is "just" an ingame HUD app.
Sure you can configure many things there in one place! So that's a nice idea. But you can't manage things there like tracks, cars and such stuff. It switches between things live, and then again i have the fear more memory leaks are produced in those features. But idk, i did not check it. I deleted it already, because the app runs all the time and so it will produce real heat in these days!

 

[andrevr]

and you forgot that the vanilla content has the 3 aswell due to it being 2004/2005 season from spa 24

edit: dare i'd say GTR with mods is the only game to have all 3 "Versions" of the M3 GTR in 1 game.

edit 2: to answer you question @andrevr - V1 doesn't have a little vent on the roof and has the split front bumper, the V1 is more well known from NFS. V2 is the PTG (which raced the same year as the V1), That one has a more curved front split than the V1 (as fullnoise has shown) as well as the vent on the roof of the car. V3 is a mix between V1 and V2 with no roof vent and the curved front bumper but more smoother when it comes to the vents in comparison to the 1 and 2. (in AC the Version 1 and Version 3 are the more well known releases, Version 2 wise the best one I know so far is Forza having a V2 model)

for pictures in real life:
this is the V1.
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V2 aka the PTG
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and the V3
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Thanks very much for the answer. Also @Fullnoise
Appreciated.

 

[racealot]

Actually it is not a replacement for Content Manager, because this is "just" an ingame HUD app.
Sure you can configure many things there in one place! So that's a nice idea. But you can't manage things there like tracks, cars and such stuff. It switches between things live, and then again i have the fear more memory leaks are produced in those features. But idk, i did not check it. I deleted it already, because the app runs all the time and so it will produce real heat in these days!

That's precisely my initial thought - an ingame HUD that enables live-changes to cars only - and that is an outstanding idea (product).

How so? Hypothetically speaking, just imagine never having to exit the game to make changes to the cars' setup...

That's gold in my books. Just like CSP, Pure...

However, if such app does tank in performance in its infancy (v0.1) - then we can look forward to its progressive development...

 

[Masscot]

I read a theory on Discord, totally speculative and unsubstantiated (and probably bollocks), that vibe coding might be finding its way into a certain extremely popular Assetto Corsa app, explaining why recent builds have reintroduced old problems that were previously solved, and why performance and efficiency have decreased. Like I said, probably* bollocks.

*definitely

 

[FrustratedUse]

I read a theory on Discord, totally speculative and unsubstantiated (and probably bollocks), that vibe coding might be finding its way into a certain extremely popular Assetto Corsa app, explaining why recent builds have reintroduced old problems that were previously solved, and why performance and efficiency have decreased. Like I said, probably* bollocks.

*definitely

This is why standard kunos app keeps being superior. So many new apps coming out are vibe coded to ****, They ai generate those god awful looking images (whoo i love having 70C summers poggers!!!) and they are so damn easy to avoid. Never download anything using Ai images. I pray Peter & Ilja never ends up touching it without at least looking over it properly. Cause so far every single Ai i app i have tried have been abysmal dog****.


The day the bubble finally explodes and all these AI datacentres gets firebombed is the day we got back to humans.

 

[racealot]

I read a theory on Discord, totally speculative and unsubstantiated (and probably bollocks), that vibe coding might be finding its way into a certain extremely popular Assetto Corsa app, explaining why recent builds have reintroduced old problems that were previously solved, and why performance and efficiency have decreased. Like I said, probably* bollocks.

*definitely

Not entirely surprised, but yeah, rapid advancement does not necessarily mean better... We must be old dogs, stick to what works best.

This is why standard kunos app keeps being superior. So many new apps coming out are vibe coded to , They ai generate those god awful looking images (whoo i love having 70C summers poggers!!!) and they are so damn easy to avoid. Never download anything using Ai images. I pray Peter & Ilja never ends up touching it without at least looking over it properly. Cause so far every single Ai i app i have tried have been abysmal dog.


The day the bubble finally explodes and all these AI datacentres gets firebombed is the day we got back to humans.

What would Mr Mentiroso say in this regard? (humour)

Thanks both for the enlightenment.

 

[Kamyar]

Hey guys. I remember hearing about a GTS conversion of Toyota ts 030 for AC. Do you guys know if there is such a mod?

 

[Perico Lospa]

... Have only used digital AI for Google research... and have zero interest on all else to do with it...

Well, mate, that makes two of us, at least...

 

[Peter Boese]

This is why standard kunos app keeps being superior. So many new apps coming out are vibe coded to , They ai generate those god awful looking images (whoo i love having 70C summers poggers!!!) and they are so damn easy to avoid. Never download anything using Ai images. I pray Peter & Ilja never ends up touching it without at least looking over it properly. Cause so far every single Ai i app i have tried have been abysmal dog.


The day the bubble finally explodes and all these AI datacentres gets firebombed is the day we got back to humans.

I decided to not use it at all as a principle! I prefer taking more time doing research. I will never use AI to code, because it makes no sense for me. I see the silly output of it and everytime I get a report “my AI found an improvement in your code” it is maybe an improvement on the first look but not after it’s implementation, because the AI can’t think a step further. It just uses what is currently there and so you need to think yourself anyway.

I sometimes use AI to convert tables of data, but not for AC…

 

[Pasta2000]

AI should be used to tackle the boring stuff like form sorting, not for creative projects. Vibe coding won't teach you how to code. AI generating decals won't teach you how to create. AI generating models won't teach you how to model (and look buttugly too).

Art is only art when its human made!

 

[maximeerkat]

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BMW E46 GTR (PACK 2) (ACF)

Yesterday at 7:04 PM

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Beer o-clock and the last skins i will be making for this car. I am waiting for Cyril to release his Renault 19 BTCC.


why is nobody talking about "version 0"? this car raced in the ALMS in 2000 with yet another different kit on it.................

so now its actually 4 different versions.......

not. going. to. happen

get an early version and a late version and call it a day. f302 is on the case for the early version

the number 40 was just done for fun, i wanted to do it because it was never going to be done otherwise. The other 2 are the ones that i gave more time to.

 

[Fall Guy]

Is there a workaround to tone down the grassfx textures, e.g. with an ext_config entry? I don´t like the nuclear green since some csp versions.

 

[FrustratedUse]

This might be up everyone's alley Allows you to do material edit's to tracks without having to open kseditor and with live changes. At least that's the understanding i get from watching the gifs

Fenryr's Material Editor

Fenryr Material Editor is an in-game CSP app for Assetto Corsa designed to make track material editing and texture work faster and easier. You can adjust materials directly in-game, experiment with different setups, and save your own presets for...

www.overtake.gg

 

[Peter Boese]

Is there a workaround to tone down the grassfx textures, e.g. with an ext_config entry? I don´t like the nuclear green since some csp versions.

Did you already try the grassfx sliders in Pure Config Light tab

 

[Aldo Raine]

Is there a workaround to tone down the grassfx textures, e.g. with an ext_config entry? I don´t like the nuclear green since some csp versions.

Hi, I'd also like to know if there's a line of code I can insert into ext_config to change the grass color directly in-game in real time.
Currently, I've created a folder with various grass files, taken from various creators and modified with Photoshop. For each version, I've created others with brighter colors—greener, yellower, less saturated, etc. I've also created various text files with pre-made configurations (white and yellow flowers, flowers of various colors, tall grass like countryside, rocks, etc.). I then experiment with all the tracks I modify to find the textures that best suit their surroundings. Unfortunately, most track modders don't pay much attention to this aspect (tree/grass hues), so I always modify them all to my liking.
I'll leave my folder with the files I modified here in case it's useful, to be inserted in assettocorsa/extension/texture/grass_fx.
For the less experienced: When you open the track's ext_config file, insert the name of dds file in the voice "texture" entry without any subfolders, modifying only the texture_grid entry based on the columns/rows of the chosen dds file.

example:

[GRASS_FX]
GRASS_MATERIALS =
OCCLUDING_MATERIALS =
OCCLUDING_MATERIALS_ALPHA =
ORIGINAL_GRASS_MATERIALS =
COLOR_SAMPLE_MIP_LEVEL=
MASK_BLUR = 3
TEXTURE=highlands_darker.dds
TEXTURE_GRID=8, 3

😉

grass_fx

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www.mediafire.com

 

[Ken134]

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BMW E46 GTR (PACK 2) (ACF)

Yesterday at 7:04 PM

skins

• maximeerkat
• Skins

Beer o-clock and the last skins i will be making for this car. I am waiting for Cyril to release his Renault 19 BTCC.


why is nobody talking about "version 0"? this car raced in the ALMS in 2000 with yet another different kit on it.................

so now its actually 4 different versions.......

not. going. to. happen

get an early version and a late version and call it a day. f302 is on the case for the early version

the number 40 was just done for fun, i wanted to do it because it was never going to be done otherwise. The other 2 are the ones that i gave more time to.

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Where do you get the ACF car from. Thanks.

 

[maximeerkat]

Where do you get the ACF car from. Thanks.

Its literally in both uploads mate, Cheers Ken

 

[JK1977]

 

[Fall Guy]

Did you already try the grassfx sliders in Pure Config Light tab

Yes, but it does not solve the issue, see how the grass looks compared to the trees.

 

[petercrill]

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR 2005 Time Attack Public Release!!
Download: https://www.mediafire.com/file/moj025pqecv9o6d/evo_9_2005_ta_101creative.rar/file
Converted From GT6
-AO inside and out
-Realistic Dashboard
-Physics
-CSP Settings
-Driver Animation
-Panoramic session Start config Daniel Nogal

 

[racealot]

Well, mate, that makes two of us, at least...

In all seriousness though... Artificial Intelligence has been with us for a long time, mostly lurking in the background of tech-processes that we would not even be aware of, or have thought of - but now that it's literally in your face and rapidly taking momentous progression in all sorts of manner - it's inherently here to stay. On a personal level I wish to remain away from it, but workwise though, that's another story, I use it - not to cull down personnel, but to remove mundane & repetitive tasks, data-mining analysis, compute terabytes of info for rapid results, cluster anomalies, etc... In my opinion, AI does have a place in society alongside our species - it's the unintended consequences that spooks the bejesus in me. Being old school & all, I still play Pacman, Mahjong & the odd crossword now & then, table soccer (football), pinball, karting - meh, I still even skateboard after 30years - the longboard that is, can't get enough of the speed - now with safety gear though. Keep delivering your witty sense of humour, love the odd chuckle & smiles.

AI should be used to tackle the boring stuff like form sorting, not for creative projects. Vibe coding won't teach you how to code. AI generating decals won't teach you how to create. AI generating models won't teach you how to model (and look buttugly too).

Art is only art when its human made!

Totally agree with your sentiment in this regard... We've been using computer technology for circa 90 odd years, and for us that thoroughly enjoy Assetto Corsa, it's a wonderful thing & hope to be playing it with further improvements down the line, or at least before my toes permanently point skywards... The true artists that shaped the way we see the world today will remain the true Masters of all time (in my eyes at least) - Picasso, Dali, Matisse, Khalo, Braque, Van Goh, Mone, Da Vinci & the many more. Many thanks for the many contributions that you've made - all smiles.

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BMW E46 GTR (PACK 2) (ACF)

Yesterday at 7:04 PM

skins

• maximeerkat
• Skins

Beer o-clock and the last skins i will be making for this car. I am waiting for Cyril to release his Renault 19 BTCC.


why is nobody talking about "version 0"? this car raced in the ALMS in 2000 with yet another different kit on it.................

so now its actually 4 different versions.......

not. going. to. happen

get an early version and a late version and call it a day. f302 is on the case for the early version

the number 40 was just done for fun, i wanted to do it because it was never going to be done otherwise. The other 2 are the ones that i gave more time to.

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And thank you for the time & effort undertaken doing these liveries - taking a break is a good thing - otherwise we'd burnout, cheers!

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Now back to hand pick another classic livery for the beema...

 

[Gabriele]

I found this Legion mod archive on Reddit, but I can't download the files...😅😅

Internet Archive: View Archive

 

[andrevr]

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BMW E46 GTR (PACK 2) (ACF)

Yesterday at 7:04 PM

skins

• maximeerkat
• Skins

Beer o-clock and the last skins i will be making for this car. I am waiting for Cyril to release his Renault 19 BTCC.


why is nobody talking about "version 0"? this car raced in the ALMS in 2000 with yet another different kit on it.................

so now its actually 4 different versions.......

not. going. to. happen

get an early version and a late version and call it a day. f302 is on the case for the early version

the number 40 was just done for fun, i wanted to do it because it was never going to be done otherwise. The other 2 are the ones that i gave more time to.

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The cars from 2000 and 2006 were the 3.2 liter straight-6 engined version. They got hammered by the Dick Barbour Porsche 993's in 2000.

 

[MSC_Giovanni]

Ferrari 488 Challenge Evo ACE Physics

And here we are with another surprise mod! Since it was originally released for AC1 as the last official content from Kunos and Ferrari Esports, this car was later brought back to ACC and ACE. What we noticed right from its release in ACC was that the physics data didn’t match, and the same issue was later found in ACE as well. So, we decided to do justice to this last semi-official AC1 content by updating the physics and setup data using the ACE data. The result is that the car has come back to life, even though we didn’t use an extended physics model.

Have fun!

Buon divertimento!
Includes :
-New 80% Physics from ACE (suspensions, engine, drivetrain, ecc...)
-Added description
-Added extra sound for Exhaust Builder (https://www.overtake.gg/downloads/exhaust-builder-for-all-cars.81044/)

LINK DOWNLOAD: https://www.patreon.com/modderssquadracorse/posts/ferrari-488-evo-166115279