FEEDBACK FOR POLYPHONY DIGITAL: Less Forcing & More Options Please!

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo 6' started by VBR, Mar 11, 2014.

  1. VBR

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    In so many areas we players are forced to do things a certain way, without being given any option to do otherwise (or sometimes we just have very limited options). In my humble opinion, this is one of the biggest problems with the way you approach game design at Polyphony Digital, & it impacts on so many aspects of the game causing much grief to those trying to enjoy it. You make it impossible for us to customize our Gran Turismo experience to our own liking, & many of us are left feeling frustrated, annoyed, &/or patronized.




    Here are just a few examples of what I mean, in no particular order.


    1) Skid Recovery Force: Why is SRF forced on sometimes? You call it a "beginners aid" yet you force it upon all players at certain points throughout the game, even though many of them are not beginners! This contradiction makes no sense at all, & ruins our enjoyment of the physics model. GT is supposed to be Simulation, not Simcade! Please, give us the option of turning it off everywhere in the game. Also, please give us separate online leaderboards for SRF Off, & SRF On lap times (like a tickbox filter). I understand that having it on by default helps those who are new to the GT series, but not allowing the more experienced players to turn it off is patronizing, & annoying. By giving us the option, you'll keep everyone happy, not just the inexperienced players. More Feedback For PD.

    2) Automatic Traction Control: Why is traction control forced on if I go off track? If I have turned TC off, why is it forced back on? I can understand that it would help new players, but by forcing it on everyone you just end up aggravating the more experienced players. Please, allow us the option of turning it On or Off completely for ourselves, or just set it to On when track Grip is set to Low, & Off when Grip is set to Real. More Feedback For PD.

    UPDATE: In version 1.06 Auto TC is still forced on in gravel/sand traps with no option to turn it off. However, it has been forced off elsewhere including when on the grass with no option for the less experienced players to turn it back on. PD, you're still not getting the point!

    3) Access To Garage In Free Run Mode Offline: Why is there no option to access our Garage in Free Run mode offline? Why do you force us to leave the track with all its settings & go all the way back to the garage, change cars, & then return only to have to set up the track all over again? Is there any reason why you make changing between cars while trying to Free Run so convoluted, awkward, & time-consuming? We can access our Garage & change between cars in Free Run while in an online lobby, so why not in Free Run offline? Please, give us the option to change between cars while at a track in Free Run mode offline.

    4) Rubber Banding In Career Mode: Why is there no option to turn off the rubber band effect in Career Mode? Why is it forced upon all players regardless of their individual abilities? In the 2002 F1 Austrian Grand Prix, Rubens Barrichello was forced to slow down & let Micheal Schumacher win, & there was a huge uproar from the fans afterwards. Many GT fans feel a similar sense of anger & disappointment that you have programmed the AI to slow down & let them win! Please, for the love of racing, stop patronizing us & give us the option to turn rubber banding off in the main menu for Career Mode (& Arcade Mode as well). Also, please give us options for Slipstream & Grip so that we can change those settings too.

    5) Online Garage Restriction: Why are we forced to choose from only 500 cars when in an online lobby, with no option of choosing from our Stockyard cars? Why did you restrict the garage in GT6 to only 500 cars, was it because loading times for online players were very slow? Please, give us several different garages containing 500 cars each (that we can name), & let us have access to all of them online so we can choose which garage we want to open. That way, we'll have access to all our cars & loading times won't be affected. Or, lift the garage restrictions entirely, & then using something similar to the Car Search feature for the dealerships, let us decide what cars to load first. More Feedback For PD.

    6) Default Driving View: Why is there no option to choose the default driving view? Why are we forced into "Normal View" every single time we start the game? For example; I go to Free Run & in the pit lane I'm forced into "Drivers Eye View", then I'm spat out of the pit lane & forced into "Normal View" again, & then I have to go through a series of unnecessary button presses in order to choose my preferred view. This gives the game a rather unprofessional, unfinished, & sloppy feel. Please, give us the option of choosing our default view in the main menu, or at the very least have the game permanently remember it & use it at all times (like when we're in the pit lane).

    7) HUD Configuration: Why are the HUD options so restrictive? Is there any reason for the lack of options? Please, allow us the option of turning On or Off every single item of HUD individually to our liking, then give us the ability to toggle all the HUD on or off while racing via a simple button press. Having to pause the game & go to an off-screen menu to do this is clunky, & cannot even be done while racing online without compromising our lap time/position. Also, why can we not turn the wrong way indicator off? This is something that is needed, especially by the drifting community. Besides, many of us know the tracks very well & do not need to be patronized with a flashing red symbol. More Feedback For PD.

    8) Automatic Game Saves: Why are automatic game saves forced upon us? Is there a reason why you have given us no option to turn them off? I remember we did have the option in a previous GT title, & it was a very good thing to have too. I suspect that this might be causing corrupted game saves because some people are moving between menus while saving is in progress. How ironic it is that the menus in GT6 are faster, but the Auto Save is slower! Please, give us the option to turn this feature On or Off in the main menu.

    9) Power Limiter Online: Why is there no option to ban the use of the power limiter in online lobbies? It ruins PP based racing when everyone is choosing overpowered cars, & then pulling the BHP down 50% or so with the limiter. The power limiter is broken anyway as it creates a flattened BHP curve that gives them a power advantage over those who are choosing cars normally. Please, give hosts the option of allowing it or disallowing it & being able to set what percentage of power limiting is allowed.

    10) NOS Online: Why is there no option to enable NOS in Tuning Prohibited Races? Many people enjoy racing without tuning, & if NOS could be independently allowed or disallowed, this would create a whole new racing experience for them. Is there any reason as to why, or have you simply not considered it? Please, give us the option to enable or disable NOS for Tuning Prohibited races, & One Make Races as well.

    11) Tuning Restrictions In Online Lobbies: Why is it practically 'all or nothing' when it comes to tuning restrictions in online lobbies? You either allow us to tune or not; why so black & white? Is there any reason for this? Please, give hosts the option to enable or disable each tuning function individually in online lobbies (& to set up then lock the gear ratios). Think of the potential variety of races that could be made by the community if only they were given these options! Also, please allow us to specify which individual car or cars are eligible, all you'd need to do is add 1 more tickbox option to the sort by Country/Manufacturer options.

    12) Nag Screens: Why so many nag screens asking us to click OK or Cancel, & more importantly why no option to turn them off? When I enter a Time Trial for an event where the times are no longer being counted, why do I have to be reminded of it every single time I move from one screen to the next? If I've had the oil changed in my car, why do I need to click an OK button? Just tell me it's done, & then take me back to the GT Auto menu. This game is riddled with so many time wasting & entirely unnecessary button presses! Please, give us the option in the main menu to turn all such nag screens off, because forcing us to interact with them over & over again can become extremely irritating.

    13) Name Changes: Is there any reason why we are limited to only 3 name changes? Please, allow us to change it as many times as we like, after all, it is our name! Also, please allow online hosts to choose whether PSN names or driver names are displayed. First, you forced us to have driver names in lobbies, then you forced us to have only PSN names! Why not simply give us the option to do either &/or both? Sometimes you think in such black or white terms & it shows in so many areas of the game, this being just one tiny example.

    14) Blue Lines In Online Lobbies: In the 1.05 update, you have provided us with Blue Lines when qualifying. This seems to be another classic example of the 'either-or/all or nothing' type thinking plaguing your studio & which is ruining the game for many of us, as you have not provided us with the option of turning them off! Why is this new feature being forced on us, is there any real reason for it? Some people find the lines very distracting (myself included), & being forced into having them on permanently is not only annoying but also counterproductive to getting fast lap times. Please, have them set to On by default, & then give us a global option to turn them Off. More Feedback For PD.

    UPDATE: This blue line problem is reportedly not an issue now.

    15) Slipstream & Mechanical Damage In Online Lobbies: In the 1.05 update, you have also added the options of Time Trial, Drift Trial & Free Run in online lobbies. Thank you! However, you have taken away the Slipstream & Mechanical Damage options in these 3 modes. We are now forced to drive with Slipstream set to 'dunno whatever', & no damage even if we want it. Is there any reason you have taken these options away from us? Please, give us the option to set Slipstream & Mechanical Damage as we wish in all online modes (& all offline modes as well).

    16) Qualification In Online Lobbies: Why have you taken away the option of qualifying sessions that are under 5 minutes in the 1.05 update? Why are you forcing us into a minimum of 5 minutes, is there any reason behind this? Why thoughtlessly fiddle with things that are not even broken? If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Now you have made it impossible for us to set up 1 lap qualifying without wasting our time, especially for tracks that are around 1 minute in length. Please, let us choose the length of qualifying sessions starting at 1 minute & going up in 15-second increments, & also give us an alternative option of choosing the number of laps for qualifying instead (from 1 lap upwards). More Feedback For PD.

    17) Tyre wear/Fuel Depletion & Mechanical Damage: Is there any reason why we do not have these options in Career, Arcade, & Free Run modes offline? Why are you restricting us by taking options away & forcing us to do without them? I would very much like to drive in Free Run with all these options enabled, but you have taken this choice away from me & many others. Please, just allow us all options in all modes so that we can tailor our Gran Turismo experience to our own liking.

    18) Motion Blur: Why is motion blur on some views, & not on others? At the moment the inclusion of motion blur seems to be random. It's on all views when spectating online, but when watching an online replay it's not on any views of my own car apart from Replay View. It's not on any views when watching a replay of a Free Run, except the two interior car views. Why? Are you having problems with it, is it a bug, or is this deliberate for some reason? The most important views we want it on is all those whilst playing! Please, give us the option of turning it On or Off for all views in all modes, & then give us a slider so we can choose the amount applied.

    19) Force Feedback Wheel & Pedal Options: Why do we only have 1 option for force feedback? I have a Logitech G25 & can only adjust the amount of feedback in this game. Is there any reason as to why you restrict us in this regard? Please, allow us a similar amount of FFB & pedal options as there are in most PC based simulators. And while we're on the subject; why did you change the bite point of the clutch to be at the bottom of the pedal travel? This is extremely annoying for those of us who have spent large amounts of money on wheels/race seats to play Gran Turismo. Please, allow us to change the bite point to our own liking. And please stop throwing us into neutral. More Feedback For PD.

    UPDATE: There are now two options for FFB added with the 1.12 update. Still nowhere near enough. Also, the FFB was already too weak to begin with, & now they've made it even weaker for certain cars. Oh dear!

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    1:1 Wheel Animations - Cockpit Shake - Exterior View: Why did you remove 1:1 wheel animations from the GT series? Is it because they looked bad when players used a DS3? Please, have 1:1 animations default for wheels users, & what we have now default for DS3 users. And Please, give us the option of hiding the wheel & hands, as some of us who own steering wheels do not want to see another one on screen. Why add cockpit shake, & then remove it entirely after a just few complaints? Please, give players the option to decide whether they want it or not, an On/Off setting in the main menu would suffice. Why did you "fix" Exterior View, when it didn't even need fixing? Please, give players the option to choose between the old loose version & the more recent rigid one. 'Either-Or' thinking is fallacious, as there is always more than just 2 ways of doing things! More Feedback For PD.

    21) Standing Starts: Why are single file rolling starts forced upon us for most of the offline events? Why can we only have standing starts for most online races? Is there any reason for this? Please, give us a mixture of different start types in Career mode (suited to the event), & give us the option of choosing whatever start type we want online & in Arcade mode. More Feedback For PD.

    22) Auto Drive In The Pits: You trust us to drive around all these beautiful tracks you have recreated at very fast speeds, so why is it that you force Auto Drive on us in the pit lane when at very low speeds? This makes no sense whatsoever! Again, you are inadvertently patronizing the experienced players who have already proven that they are capable of handling their cars. Please, give us the option of turning Auto Drive in the pit lane On or Off when racing online, & offline too. More Feedback For PD.

    23) Automatic Replays: Why is there no option to turn off the automatic replays? Many people do not like being forced into watching them after each race, & having to press a button to turn them off every single time gets tiresome. Please, give us the option to choose whether to have them On or Off in the main menu. And why is there no access to the on-screen menu in these automatic replays? More Feedback For PD.

    24) Penalties & Ghost Cars In Online Lobbies: Why is there no option to have penalties on & ghost cars off at the same time? Why are we forced to have both either on or off? Cars ghosting & driving through each other looks incredibly unrealistic, & ruins the racing simulation for many of us. Please, give us the option of turning ghost cars & penalties On or Off separately. Also, please add the option of Drive Through penalties (like in GT4), & allow us to be able to choose between them & the Slow Down penalties we currently have. Being able to set track cutting penalties & car collision penalties On or Off separately would be a very welcome addition too.

    25) Car Views In Replays: Why are some car views not available when watching replays in certain game modes? For instance; in Free Run mode offline I can view the replay with two very nice Interior Views, but I cannot do this while watching a replay of an online race. Is there any reason as to why? This game suffers from such a lack of cohesion & consistency in so many areas, this being another tiny example. Please, allow us all car views while watching replays in all modes. Also, why are we forced to choose certain views from the onscreen menu only, instead of all views being assigned to the Select button? That is so clunky & annoying! Please, give us the option of scrolling through all views using the Select button in all modes (it would be nice to have a third Interior View as well, one where we could set the position of the camera for ourselves in each car).

    26) Global Traction Control: Why is there no global option to permanently turn traction control off in certain events & license tests? It is really annoying to have to remember to turn it off every single time we enter a new one. Is there any reason why you force us to turn it off every single time? Please, give us a global option for traction control in these events so that once it's been turned off, it stays off. The same goes for Low/Real grip track settings.

    27) Shopping In Gran Turismo: Why do we have no option to buy several items together? Why do you force us to buy every single item separately? Why have you designed the shopping process to be so convoluted & time-consuming, is there any actual reason? Having to buy every single car/item separately, & then being forced to sit through animations & clicking OK boxes every single time can become extremely tiresome. Please, let us buy as many cars as we wish by putting them into a shopping basket & paying for them altogether (like online shops do). And please, let us buy items from GT Auto the same way, by ticking items in a checklist that we wish to buy &/or install, & then paying for them all at once.

    28) 1 Make Races Online: Why is the number of courtesy cars for 1 Make Races so limited? Is there any reason why you give us such a small selection? It is a real step back from GT5 where we had many more to choose from, & lots of people are disappointed as a result. Please, make all cars available to us for 1 Make Racing online. Or at the very least give us a wider selection to choose from, & then change the line up once a month to keep things fresh.

    29) Lap Records: Why is there no option to delete individual lap records? Why do you force us either to keep them all or delete them all? Is there any reason as to why you have designed this feature to be so all or nothing? If I take the same car to the same track several different times, I don't really need a corresponding amount of lap record entries! Having my records full up of the same car with different times is an incredibly useless feature, & is yet more evidence of the poor/thoughtless game design so prevalent throughout Gran Turismo. Please, give us the option of being able to delete individual lap records. More Feedback For PD.

    30) Clutch For DS3 Users: Why is there no option to assign the clutch to a button of our choice in the DS3 settings menu? Why do you force DS3 users to drive without it, is there any reason behind this decision? You say that you want to "simulate everything", so why not simulate something as basic & essential as a clutch for DS3 users by simply allowing them access to it? Please, allow DS3 users the option of choosing for themselves whether they want to drive with the clutch or not. That way, you can then undo the nerfing you've reportedly been inflicting upon the clutch model since GT5 Prologue, as wheel users will no longer have an advantage over DS3 users.

    31) Arcade Mode Races: Why is there no option to choose whether to practice/qualify or not? Why is there no option to choose our starting place on the grid if we so wish? Why is there no option to choose opponent cars? Why is there no option to choose their tyres & ours separately? Why is there no option to choose the slipstream setting? Why is there no option to choose the amount of AI cars on the grid? Why is there no option to turn off the rubber band effect? Why are there no options to turn on or off such settings as tyre wear, fuel usage, & crash damage? Why have you given us a huge amount of cars & tracks, but not given us common sense options that would allow us to use them to their full potential? Please, give us access to all possible options so that we can fully enjoy the awesome cars & tracks in this game.

    32) Fully Customizable Transmissions: Why are wheel users sometimes forced to use sequential shifters after installing a fully customizable transmission? Why do they no longer have the option to use their H-pattern shifters? Is this a bug, or a deliberate restriction? This is a real game killer in the drift community, as clutch work is an essential part of drifting (mostly clutch-kicking). Please, give us back the ability to use the clutch & H-pattern shifter for all cars when fully customizable transmissions are installed.




    A Cautionary Tale For Kazunori.


    Once upon a time, there was a master shoemaker. His shoes were the best shoes in the world, & he knew it. Everyone else knew it too, & his designs were the envy of all other shoemakers. Try though they might, they could not even come close to mimicking his great artistic flair. However, while his designs were indeed second to none, he would only sell shoes that were tailored to his own feet & that of those closest to him; much to the annoyance of his customers! When they bought his shoes, they never really fitted properly, & this caused them such discomfort. Some of the other shoemakers, although creating designs inferior to his, eventually became far more business savvy & started tailoring their shoes to their customer's feet. As a result, many of the master shoe maker's customers stopped buying his shoes altogether (even though they were far better looking) because now they had experienced the relief of tailored footwear & therefore could no longer go back. When the master shoemaker saw that sales were plummeting, he said to himself, "Aha! I know what I shall do! I will keep on designing shoes according to my great artistic talent, for it is second to none, but I also will tailor them to my customer's feet just like my rivals. Then, not only will I be the best in the business, but I will also win back my customers & keep their feet happy too!"
    That's so true! If they gave us all the options under the sun as requested, they could still set up the default settings to make Gran Turismo appeal to casual gamers initially. That way they'd keep everyone happy, as the more experienced players could then simply tailor the game to their own liking by changing said options. With a certain "Community Assisted Racing Simulator" coming out on the PS4 later this year, which is packed full of options, the GT series is in real danger of being left behind for dead & eating its dust.


    Thank you very much indeed Kazunori Yamauchi San, Polyphony Digital, & Sony, for considering these points. :cheers: Whether this thread & the others stickied here become some kind of collective epic-epitaph for the GT series, or whether you choose to start really paying attention to your customers by implementing their suggestions, is entirely up to you.

    The ball's in your court now.






    PS: There are many more examples of our being forced instead of being given options that I don't have time to write up at the moment, & some that I can't recall at present. If anyone else thinks of some, please post them up in this thread & I'll update the OP as & when I'm able to.

    PPS: If you liked this thread then please vote for it here in the new Q&A forum in the hope that these issues will be addressed. EDIT: The Q&A forum has now been closed due to Kaz deciding that he's not going to answer any of the questions (which is strange seeing as it was his idea to set it up in the first place).
     
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  2. GattigerPlay

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    I think they do this because after many changes the players would become unrecognizable to the others...
     
  3. VBR

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    If they allowed us the option of displaying both PSN names & drivers names in the lobbies, this wouldn't be a problem. And like I said, it is just a very small example.
     
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    Most of what you say has merit, off track traction control makes sense in the odd place to stop cutting though the option of turning off & selecting more realistic gravel traps would be nice.

    Power limiter is annoying for reasons you stated, a simple allow 5 or 10% reduction so its just a fine tune to let you race would be nice.
    You would get races with PP values in 25pp increments or so which need different cars.

    Mind you the generic engine tuning in this game is mainly wrong to especially for pre computer chip controlled cars.
    With HP generally comes a hefty price in usable power band for NA engines or turbo lag if fitting bigger ones if its more than a light tune.
    Hence the reason unless your on a drag strip its a balance between "usable" & outright power.
    Also weight should go up if heavily tuned as heat is produced so you need to fit intercoolers etc & it can upset the front rear balance of the car.
     
  5. 86Debris86

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    I agree with you on the whole @VBR , you make a very good case.

    I would like to add though that in contrast to what you're saying I would actually prefer if we were forced to play a certain way in certain cases.

    As @Wide Boy said the engine tuning is a bit wrong. I'd prefer not to be able to put a sports chip in a car with no ECU, and on that note I would much prefer if the realistic driver aids available for each vehicle were more *ahem* realistic. If I'm in a Jag e-type I shouldn't have the likes of T/C. If it's a handful as a result then so be it. Cars of that era were more difficult to drive because of this and so I think it should be in game. In this respect I'd like it if only the game assists, like SRF, and possibly Active steering too (although I believe that does have a real life application on BMW's) were available and we were forced to drive cars that had no assists, without assists. If a car only comes with ABS and ASM for example then they are the only assists I think should be available to use with that car.

    Not sure I'm exactly on topic but it's how I feel about being forced to play certain ways.
     
  6. Jbaffoh

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    Why automatic replays? That's just one more aggravating screen to click away when trying to redo a failed run. Make that an option the more masochistic drivers can click to watch, instead.
     
  7. VBR

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    I've been meaning to add that one, but keep forgetting. Thanks for reminding me, I'll do it now. :tup:
     
  8. Johnnypenso

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    I've been an advocate of options since the beginning of GT5 so this topic is spot on. It's obviously a philosophical difference between us and PD/Kaz and a deliberate design choice on their part. I don't think it's going to change anytime soon though as they stated pretty clearly before GT6 was released that the game was designed around the more casual player, the guy/gal/kid who wants to just hop on and drive fast once in a while, and not be bothered with realism. That's the majority player for this franchise and always will be.

    What they don't realize is that you can appeal to all types of players at the same time through options. Customization is the key to the future success for GT and they are failing on almost all fronts. The days of a one-size-fits-all game with zero difficulty adjustments in the meat of the game (offline) is over and done. Customization is everywhere around us and it's now standard to be able to tailor most things in out lives to our individual needs, from coffee makers, to cars to everyone in between.

    GT6 is a write off at this point for most of us. We can only hope that GT7 brings some major changes to the game, while retaining that unique GT flavour and feel.
     
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    @Johnnypenso - I have some hope that they do listen & can give us some of these options, because they did give us the option to turn off driver names which was asked for here. Also, they included the option in GT6 that was asked for here too.


    :)
     
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  10. 86Debris86

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    This has probably been suggested before but perhaps something along the lines of a Casual Mode, Amateur Mode and Professional or Hardcore Mode would help.

    Casual Mode could have all the assists and a less competitive AI. Amateur couldn't have SRF but could have all real world assists on every vehicle and more competitive AI. Pro Mode could have only the assists available that are actually fitted to the vehicles in real life and the most competitive AI.

    Each mode could be slightly different depending on how you want to play the game. Online lobbies could be separated using this setting as could the TT leaderboards. Everyone gets the level of realism they want.

    I realise I'm focusing on the driving assists here.

    EDIT: I thought it might be worthy of it so I've turned this post into a suggestion: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/general-difficulty-setting.305006/
     
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    Great thread. :tup: Faith in community restored 30%.
     
  12. Johnnypenso

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    On the surface it sounds like a great idea, but if you think about it, its just more of the same idea of PD doing our thinking for us. Still it would be a huge step up if done right and a "wide open" (fully customizable) mode is also a must
     
  13. 86Debris86

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    True. If it dies in the suggestions section as well then so be it.
     
  14. machschnel

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    Probably my best racing experience on a console was racing my brother online in Forza 4.

    -We chose a realistic class ie. GT3, V8 Supercars, NASCAR, LMP1, Vintage

    -We both spend hours making our own liveries

    -Made a tune or bought one

    -Set up an online race with only us two as human players, filling the rest of the grid with RELEVANT A.I

    -Race

    -Save the replay to watch later when my brother visits


    As much as I enjoyed this, PC gaming is still the place to be if you wish to be treated like an adult.
     
  15. Lewis_Hamilton_

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    Apart from the list in the OP and 200 other obvious, frequently discussed things, I would like an option to disable all of the pointless and time wasting car display screens.

    We do not all suffer from an aggressive form of short term memory loss, we can remember what a car looks like thus do not need to sit and wait while the game loads and then shows; The car I won, the car I just bloody paid for, what the new paint/mods/wheels look like when it was already in the preview screen, and why do we need to render a garage, mechanics and then the car in a showroom everytime we change the oil, wash the car or restore the engine/chassis.

    All of these can be replaced by a single confirmation - "You won/purchased xxxxxxx car, would you like to enter it now?", "Car/paint/wheels modified", "Car washed", "Oil/Engine/Cassis restored" when we press the buy button. No need to render any other graphics at all and would save a lot of unnecessary loading times. I don't need to see the car in a showroom after every single action.


    Also, GT5's secret AI and FOV menu please.
     
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  16. VBR

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    Thanks! Guys, now it's time to work on the other 70%.
     
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    - Limit maximum weight also. (online lobbies)
    - ability to allow certain parts to cars, like tagging allowed tuning parts like [ECU=allowed] [EngineStage2=allowed][SuspensionTuning=allowed][CustomGears=NotAllowed][CustomFinalGear=Allowed] [CopyHostsGearBoxSettingsToAllCompetitorsCars=YES]

    :)
     
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    :) :tup: :tup:
     
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  19. dbarrade

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    Please make every car as real as possible, real weights, real handling, real power, real performance, real traction, real tyres, there are artificial aids and artificial balances and tuning limitations in order to balance cars that are unrealistic and unnecessary.

    Cars that race each other in real life will be by their very nature balanced.

    I have completed GT5 and now am well into GT6 and apart from the single make races, I could probably count the races that feel balanced and like a real race on one hand.
     
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  20. JohnScoonsBeard

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    My opinion on part of what you're saying is I think you'd be imposing your own restrictions on other players. You already have your option to NOT install the sports computer in any car. Let's not take that option to install it away from those who want to. Maybe there should be an additional expensive install of an ECU sustem for some cars. Let's face it pretty much all cars in real life can be modified in whatever way the modifier wants to do it with enough cash/effort. If someone wants to fit an ECU to a model T Ford then they should have that option. It would be extra work for PD to disallow that sort of thing and end up with a more restrictive game rather than less restrictive.

    Some people prefer the option of all or some of the aids. It should be up to them if they want to use them offline or in their own lobbies. A host can still disallow them if they want a race without them (eg maybe a classic car race). I don't personally use aids (except sometimes abs) and I always disable SRF when I host. Stuff like TC slows cars down but it is a game and if someone wants to use it on an old car let them.

    What we should be able to do (yet more options) is set up a lobby / race where specific car parts are not allowed (eg ECU, Turbo, Ballast etc). Or if tuneable (suspension, LSD etc then it must be used stock. PD have already started the ball rolling with the Nitrous option.

    When limiting car choice at room setup there should be all of the options available in the new car search facility (eg car value, max/min year) and specific cars. If someone wants to run a race for MX5/Miatas they should be able to specify the cars just like PD do in some of their events.

    Another option that should be in there is the cockpit shake option that was in GT5 for a short while. Some liked it and some didn't. PD only listened to those who complained that they didn't like it and just removed it. It should be an option (with a slider for the amount of shake).

    Sorry I've added quite a few more options there. I used to specify software systems for a living so always see how lots of extra options can make things more useable based on what users want to do. Everything in this thread would really help people get the most out of GT6. The way to improve the game is to listen to how people want to play it. Hopefully some of what we want/need will be present in the much needed community upgrade once that materialises.

    Really great job VBR.
     
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    No, I'd prefer what I describe as an option or mode. I'm not saying it should be the only way to play GT, just how I'd like to play.

    I agree GT needs to be more customisable.
     
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  22. kprawny1

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    Great stuff!

    I do wonder if anyone at PD is actually reading any of the player feedback from this or any other GT6 related forum?
     
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    'Reset tuning settings to default' button.
    If you're trying to enter an online race where tuning is prohibited and you've made at any stage in the past even the most minuscule setup or part change the car will be ineligible. There is virtually no option but to abandon the online lobby, purchase another identical car and hopefully rejoin the lobby before the race starts.
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    Enable access to 'Pit Service' and 'Custom Parts' while in online lobbies
    We can fit bigger turbos, NO2, diffs, props shafts etc, but we can't do an oil change?
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    Enable change of car while in offline free run mode
    There's no way to change car other then exit the track, return to car list, choose new car, reload track.
    You can do it in online lobbies so what's so hard about offline mode?
     
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    This to me is one of the games worst faults, online & offline why can we not setup races against opponents we want.
    I want to have an old muscle, FTO vs Integra race etc etc & not have a race car or some such appear in the line up.
    Let us build races from the ground up, we have a huge choice of cars & tracks so everybody could produce races that appeal to them.
    Everyone is different so let them have control over the game & suddenly you can please a huge audience. You could then set up races for the kids & the hardened racer or anything in between.

    johnnypenso makes a lot of sense, range of options means you can tailor the game to what you want giving the game a much wider audience.
    You make it as realistic as possible, then give options to make it more arcade like or turn down the difficulty so the kids can still have a go.

    Somebody else also said cars should have real life options & I agree with this.

    Cars should come with default settings for ABS ASM etc or just list them on the info screen.
    ASM should have several levels many performance cars have it fitted as standard.
    However a skylines or lancers ASM is far superior to most cars, they are very different in RL the lancer is a lot more aggressive in my view.
    ABS what do the settings do? Should be a scale on the quality of ABS.
    Performance cars generally have far better ABS than a town car, checking for lock up & adjusting 2-3 times as quick.
    Anybody tried other than 0 or 1 to see what it does.

    Sorry guys but its probably more realistic to drive performance cars with ABS, TC & ASM on if it was modelled better.
    Sure in many cars you would adjust the TC & ASM to the minimum or switch them off if the car allowed it to mess about on the track.
    Do a track day in heavy rain & you might even turn them up.

    If your going to race a road car & the systems are banned then you would disable or remove them but there is nothing unrealistic with using a road car on the track with the aids on.
    Now there is another dynamic to racing say a Lancer vs a Dino, one car flatters you as a driver the other requires you to be a good driver.
     
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    Follow those links & tell me what you think. Maybe it's just a coincidence, & I'm kidding myself. Or maybe not. It's very hard to tell because PD are so silent. We'll find out in the coming months if items off the list in the 1st post in this thread start appearing in updates.


    :tup:
     
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  26. GattigerPlay

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    I agree.
    But I have to say that there's a simple workaround: keep one slot at default settings.
    I personally use A for defaults, B for tuning in offline mode, C for tuning in online mode.
     
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    The ECU tune should probably just be upgraded carburetors, or something else relevant for cars without ECUs. No need to do away with that upgrade, just name it something sensible.
     
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    A further problem is if you have installed body mods you have to leave a room to remove them. They should be selectable in the tuning tabs. A new tab called "Stock" should be added by PD. This would be uneditable and remove any body mods, weight reduction and modified engine stages.

    Talking of which neither engine stages nor weight reduction should affect the other tabs which they do at the moment.

    Within the list of cars in the garage I would like the option to display the name of the currently selected tab as a custom field along with any other data related to each car.
     
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  29. shadowroamer

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    What about the start of the 'career mode'? The thing I was most looking forward to in GT6, was picking a cheap car with my starting credits, and tuning it to win more and more races over time. Now I was forced to buy a car I didn't like, and even worse, I was taken around a track with it, where the game paused every 10 seconds to display a nag screen, telling me what I already knew. A simple dialog box at the start of the game asking if I was new to racing games or not, could have fixed all that disappointment.
     
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    I think I can forgive that. There was still 13000 credits left we had the option to use. I bought the fit then put it away undriven. With the remaining money I got a car I wanted. The Peugeot 106 Rallye was much more fun and I still had change for a future car wash.

    Yes it could have asked us whether we wanted to do the test drive though.