Gran Turismo 7 “Power Pack” Paid DLC Now Available: New Races Including Endurance Events, Qualifying, and “Sophy 3.0”

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Someone should set up a poll what the price will be and the winner who voted right gets the DLC for free as a prize! Just kidding.

The DLC will cost 29.99€ for sure.

I hope this is not a gimmick to justify a hefty price "see you get 5M credit that cost ~40$/€ on their own, so the overall price is good"

I don't care (anymore) for 5M credits.

As for the resume function, I use it all the time, it failed once or twice in 4 years.

No way they try selling 30€ DLC. The price of GT7 ingame credits in PS store has always been a joke. I doubt no-one buys it as its relatively easy to grind. For that reason and the fact some people seem to forget that power pack doesnt include ANY cars/tracks (which is a good thing), I'd guess something in the lines of 14,79€. And even with that they are pushing it as the DLC seems to have zero value for online players. Good price for this "campaign update" would be around 8,90€ - they should prioritize sold quantity over price per unit.
 
There was absolutely no reason to attack @PlatoonRacer like that. Completely uncalled for. There's nothing in their post to suggest that they're a whale.

You come across as extremely entitled. It's not a great look.
There's no attack. And yes, their post literally is the biggest suggestion of someone who is a whale, when he/she mentions he doesn't care about pricing, that he/she will pay anyways.

And yes, it's a massive problem with games nowadays, and why life service games are rampant, as people can't say "No" to predatory practices from game developers/their bosses.

If pointing out this problem is bad for you, then it's not a great look on your part.

And entitled for what? For criticizing a clear and widely agreed problem within gaming? The predactory practices and how whales are enablers of it?

But you're here trying to do the cancel culture thing. I get it.

Hmm, I'm getting over 200k credits doing a 50 minute race against Sophy and not even finishing in 1st position...
In GT5 you could get that amount in what, 5 minutes? In GT4 you could redo a series of races/championship, complete them, and not only did you get more credits per hour, you also earned the car prize of that event, that you could sell for even more profit.
In GT7 payouts remain terrible, specially considering the cost of many cars.

Regardless, there are still developers (people) who created it and put their time/talent into it. There are a few aspects of the game that I don't touch and don't like (music rally) but I can't diminish (even indirectly) the work that went into it.
Well, they put that into a product, that has a price. There are ways to implement that talent in stuff that people actually enjoy, and not some gimmick.

Plus, the talent required for Music Rally could have been used in regular events. So many possible themes for championships, that could use such talent.
The same for cars modeled. No doubt the people who modeled the Toyota Alphard are extremely talented. But their talent was completely wasted om that car. Their talent would have been valued a lot more, if it was used for a more interesting car.

See, it's about finding a way to make that talent useful for the final product, instead of getting completely wasted and/or overshadowed for someone/something else.
 
Actually the qualifying aspect is what interests me the most. Not in offline, but if this could also implement qualifying to some of the daily races. I think race C could be with iRacing kind of 2lap qualifying. Would make it a lot more interesting as a whole. Would favor consistency over one lap wonders. And would create some life to the starting grids as drivers would be more mixed. Qualifying could also affect your DR separately.
 
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Just trying to be pragmatic here.

Woulda, shoulda, coulda is all really quite moot at this point over 3 years in to the games life cycle.

It is what it is, love it or hate it, pay or don’t pay that’s the reality of it, nothing is going to change that.
Agreed. Would I have liked PD to operate differently and make what I think could have been a much better game than we got from the start? Sure, but we don't live in that reality. In fact usually in the past when I have been critical of the game and their choices mostly I get pushback that PD knows what they are doing and operate in a very intentional way.

I am still waiting to hear the true price but it would have to be pretty outrageous from my point of view for me not to buy the power pack and enhance my experience with the game after already putting in hundreds of in game hours.
 
I don't understand this view at all?

The entire point of GT is the car collection you slowly build up over the course of the game, which lets you compete in different events. For this DLC to feature actual race days with proper AI, and then lock you to what the game wants you to drive instead of your own car that fits the regulations, is one of the most bone-headed decisions I can possibly imagine PD making.

In essence it just becomes another railroaded campaign instead of an all-new experience. And this time it doesn't even seem like you get paid for the events. :lol:
My orginal view was that this mode is similar to mission races and there are still freely configurable offline & online races available. Now that I'm thinking about it thoroughly, Yamauchi-san said that whereas up until now GT was a game, this mode is about real racing. And you are probably meant to fill the role of real racing driver with particular team and car in every event? I know it sounds strange, but Yamauchi-san's logic is often complicated, like with GT7 economics after initial release.
 
There's no attack. And yes, their post literally is the biggest suggestion of someone who is a whale, when he/she mentions he doesn't care about pricing, that he/she will pay anyways.

And yes, it's a massive problem with games nowadays, and why life service games are rampant, as people can't say "No" to predatory practices from game developers/their bosses.

If pointing out this problem is bad for you, then it's not a great look on your part.

And entitled for what? For criticizing a clear and widely agreed problem within gaming? The predactory practices and how whales are enablers of it?

But you're here trying to do the cancel culture thing. I get it.
Good lord. And cancel culture, what on earth?
 
I don't mind paying for cars & tracks, but paying for "game mechanics" like endurance racing feels bad for me ._.
I would not want to pay for tracks. For me it is essential to be able to drive on every track that is in the game. That makes it interesting. And, as I manage online league, it is important to know, that everyone can drive every event, because everyone has the same copy of the game.
 
I would not want to pay for tracks. For me it is essential to be able to drive on every track that is in the game. That makes it interesting. And, as I manage online league, it is important to know, that everyone can drive every event, because everyone has the same copy of the game.
Honestly I prefer this model over paying for cars and tracks. This way PD can ensure people can race with the latest cars and tracks in official sport mode so FOMO is thrown out, at least in this instance.

And with GTA6 being delayed til heat death of the universe, and Ace Combat 8 being as real as dividing by zero at this point, I'm not really fussed about paying for this. But I don't begrudge those who think otherwise.
 
No way they try selling 30€ DLC. The price of GT7 ingame credits in PS store has always been a joke. I doubt no-one buys it as its relatively easy to grind. For that reason and the fact some people seem to forget that power pack doesnt include ANY cars/tracks (which is a good thing), I'd guess something in the lines of 14,79€. And even with that they are pushing it as the DLC seems to have zero value for online players. Good price for this "campaign update" would be around 8,90€ - they should prioritize sold quantity over price per unit.
I think you would be surprised how many credits were sold in the store. You think most people have 10-15hrs a week to grind for a 20million car that is gone in a couple of days? Maybe now it's less, but i bet in the launch days of GT7 alot of credits were bought. Heck the whole credit system is designed to incentivise people to buy them. The lowest paying races ever in a GT game, one hour "endurance" races that only pays once and the same 4 "grinding" events in the game for almost 4 years now with no new races that payout decently. And don't get me started on the custom races that pay ***.

And yes the DLC will cost 19.99 at the very least.
 
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I wonder if you can pause the 24h race. I use to be able to do that in GT4 but ain't no way I can allow time for this today lol
You can pause any single-player race. Also, as discussed extensively above, you can suspend the game on PS5 and put it into rest mode so you can resume at another time without leaving the console on - though if you try to play any other games on that console while GT7 is suspended, it will shut it down and lose your progress.
 
No they should not end development nor cripple it, I was mainly referring to my inability to have a ps5 because I am on limited income and cannot afford one at this time. (My post was being selfish, sorry)

Now to ask is there a section in GTPLANET to find a used one for sale?, I sort of trust the gamers here not to screw someone over than going to "marketplace"
I am in a similar situation...I will wait what people are saying once it is out and if the reviews are good, I will save somewhere else and invest in a PS5
 
I think it's also PD still trying to figure out how they can actually turn GT into a service and monetize it.

They talked about it a bunch around launch (did they even mention seasons at some point?), but nothing came out of it.
The only thing they monetize so far is credits and those are easily avoidable by just playing the game.

Content (Tracks and cars) - free
Cosmetics (liveries) - free
Weeklies - free
Online challenges - free
I think it is more a push from Sony. PD are mostly loyal to their fanbase (even when they dont deliver and make weird choices, they appreciate us) and thats why they bring so many free things that other games dont. But Sonys the boss at the end of the day.
 
I'm thinking of selling my PS4 copy of the game, my PS4 and quitting modern GT for good now.

[*] Imagine me being way angrier in these parts, if you know what I mean..
Welcome to live service games of today.
In GT5 you could get that amount in what, 5 minutes? In GT4 you could redo a series of races/championship, complete them, and not only did you get more credits per hour, you also earned the car prize of that event, that you could sell for even more profit.
In GT7 payouts remain terrible, specially considering the cost of many cars.
Earn money in GT4 is not easy at all; you need to play more than a 2 hour to earn 4 million for example what are the cost of the Le Mans cars.
 
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Fhew.. Just read through 7 pages since last night. You guys talk too much.

A few things:

Part 1 - In reference to continued debate on the value and cost of the Power Pack DLC:

For those who are saying the 50 races and Sophy AI 3.0 etc is not worth $40 or even $20 to them: Let's pretend this happened a different way:

Introducing the GT7 Spec III Update! (PS5 version only) (Costs $xx amount of money)
  • Two new tracks (Yas Marina Circuit, Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve)
  • Eight new cars
  • Gran Turismo Sophy 3.0 AI for intense, tail-to-nose battles that push your limits.
  • 50 new races across 20 themed categories, inspired by global automotive and motorsport traditions.
  • Full race weekends: Practice, qualify, and compete in the main event for a true racing simulation.
  • 24-hour endurance racing for players who crave the ultimate test of skill and stamina.
  • Data Logger
  • Collector Level Cap Increased
  • New Events in Circuit Experience
Plus these additional features and improvements included in next update free for all players!
  • New Opening Movie
  • Unlimited Car Invitations in Brand Central
  • Dunlop Tires
  • Enhanced Weekly Challenges
  • New Menu Book Seasonal Menu
  • New Curations in Scapes
  • Improvements to Online Races

How do you feel reading that? What would you pay for that Spec 3 update? $20? $30? $40+? What if you liked 6 of the cars in the update? What if you only liked two of the cars but it's two that you've be DYING to have in the game? What if you only liked 1 of the new tracks but it was one of your favorites ever? What if you bought the DLC, but your friend didn't, and now you can't play together with whatever car or track combination?

Now imagine that's what you're actually paying for.. It just isn't being presented as such by Sony.

Hopefully it helps you understand what you personally value and also how it's not as simple as it seems to offer additional content.

Part 2 - In reference to a lot of people saying that qualifying, endurance etc should be in from launch but it wasn't so it's "half-baked" which I think implies that they were going to add that eventually (fully baked) but didn't have time or money or whatever:

I imagine the reality is more like, they felt they had two different audiences:
  • One group who liked Sport mode/online racing in GT Sport. In their eyes, the "Hardcore". These are the people who want challenging racing. They are going to yell about other players crashing into them, complain about almost everything, and continue to play for the most part. They say offline AI is dumb and a waste of time in basically every game because they don't get the same "high" as competing against another real human being.
  • On the other end, you had the "Casual" players who preferred playing offline/solo and just wanted to pop in and out of the game, do quick/short races, move through a curated "experience" (Cafe), and likely had a lower skill level. They don't want to practice. They don't want to qualify. They want to get credits and collect cars.

Where would they get this idea? Because there are likely millions of players who do fit into the casual category and maybe 100,000 or less that that fall into the "Hardcore" group. So I don't think they had any intention of adding Qualifying or 24 Hr Endurance races to single player GT7. They probably didn't think anyone really cared except like a tiny 0.5% of players. And then some story would pop up in the news about a person dying in an internet cafe from health/food/thirst reasons, while ignoring their baby, while trying to complete the 24 Hr race and then bring stupid bad press.

The reality, which I don't think they had enough data to see based on GT Sport being primarily E-Sports focused, is that there is a large group of people who fall into the middle ground, and probably where I'd attach myself. I played a lot of GT Sport online because that's what there was to do and it was a novel experience. I've only touched it like 5 times in GT7 since release. But I believe there's a segment of people who want all of those "Hardcore" features but not online. They want more than a quick 3 lap easy race. They want a challenge, but not from some person whos going to throw a temper tantrum and then torpedo their car in the next corner for accidentally touching their bumper. So GT7 came out, they got some feedback, and now they had to go back to the drawing board and make or remake a bunch of features that the game was never designed to do.
I believe GT7 was fully baked in the eyes of PD. They thought it would serve all or most audiences. But a larger portion of the player base than they expected just didn't like the taste. They can't just "BAM!" and Emeril Lagasse it-- sprinkle a little salt on and everyone is happy. They have to go in and change ingredients and almost start over. And we have to wait for that time (years) in the oven. And meanwhile, Polyphony is continually paying crazy rent costs or whatever on a kitchen in the heart of a very expensive city to house that oven and dozens or hundreds of chefs who get paid a lot to live in and around that expensive city.

Nothing is free.

Part 3 - In reference to what the Power Pack is going to be

I'm going to make my prediction from a "realist" position. Meaning, not overly optimistic or pessimistic. This is based on what we can make educated guesses on so far. Hopefully it's better, but don't be surprised if it's not.

  • The Power Pack DLC could cost anywhere from $20 to $50. Credits do not cost them anything to offer. It's a couple 1s and 0s in a digital note tied to your save file. It's more of a perception thing. A "Value Add". Removing the credits from the DLC does not make it any cheaper for them to produce.
  • The Power Pack DLC could be intended for late game, high level/experienced players. Meaning, it may unlock races gradually or the whole feature may not unlock til level 50. They could argue $50+ for the base game gets you all of that base content and this is intended to be just an expansion pack for players who want an additional challenge but is not required content.
  • These are likely going to be similar to Missions; Some will have specific cars. Some will have a certain type of car. I would hope, but not expect, that there are some events that are just PP based and let you use any car within a theme.
  • I would not expect new, unique cars as gifts. My assumption is they are just pre-modified cars. Not special "Racing Modifications", but base cars that already have all the bodywork/accessories/tuned parts on it.
  • The events might not reward any money. I haven't seen a shot with prize money. The reward could just be the gift car at the end.
K I need to go pick up groceries and cat litter so I have to cut this short cough No time to proof read.
 
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I think it is more a push from Sony. PD are mostly loyal to their fanbase (even when they dont deliver and make weird choices, they appreciate us) and thats why they bring so many free things that other games dont. But Sonys the boss at the end of the day.

I mean yeah, the money comes from Sony, but I can guarantee that the fine people at PD don’t pay their bills and their rent with loyalty but with yen.

The money has to come from somewhere. A studio can’t run for 3, 4, 5 years without putting out a new product and without selling anything.
 
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Since GT Sport, the whole ethos has been not to divide the playerbase and make the multiplayer pay-to-play/pay-to-win. You're not likely to get cars or tracks as paid DLC, no matter how much you want to pay for them.

The three (so far) cars shown with currently unavailable mods are a bit of a mystery on that front though. They may just show new tuning parts or be something like the GT:HD "/Tuned" cars - ending up being like the RX-Vision Stealth/X2019 Anniversary: visually different but treated as identical to their standard counterparts for collection and multiplayer purposes.
IIRC the GT6 expansions gave you cars that you could still use online, they were simply unavailable for use by those who didn't have the DLC. I recall using the Scirocco and Golf R in lobbies. I imagine it will be the same this time around.

Paid DLC is always the same business case. It's for fans of the game who are willing to pay more to get more. If people aren't willing, then this isn't for them.

Given what they've shown so far, it's like a GT 7.5. Heck, GT Prologue was $40USD in 2009 ($60 in today's money). People will argue that it gave more content, but did it? We've been re-paying for that content since then. Much of that content (all?) has been reissued 4 times now, and we paid for it. Why? because it's about the entertainment time. That's what I'm paying for. It's an investment in my escapism.

Heck, going back tot he GT6 DLC, I paid extra for the Scirocco and Spa. They became free in the subsequent three releases. Should I demand a refund?
 
I mean yeah, the money comes from Sony, but I can guarantee that the fine people at PD don’t pay their bills and their rent with loyalty but with yen.

The money has to come from somewhere. A studio can’t run for 3, 4, 5 years without putting out a new product and without selling anything.
Yes. SIE gives PD money to make the game, and PD has other revenue streams from external partnerships.
IIRC the GT6 expansions gave you cars that you could still use online, they were simply unavailable for use by those who didn't have the DLC. I recall using the Scirocco and Golf R in lobbies.

Heck, going back tot he GT6 DLC, I paid extra for the Scirocco and Spa.
They're both from GT5. GT6 didn't have paid DLC.
 
I mean yeah, the money comes from Sony, but I can guarantee that the fine people at PD don’t pay their bills and their rent with loyalty but with yen.

The money has to come from somewhere. A studio can’t run for 3, 4, 5 years without putting out a new product and without selling anything.
GT7 has very good sales, i dont think anyone on PD lacks cash. They run the GTWS and they seem to make a profit, if not they would have shut down the event. Also, they coulda have added paid DLC from day 1 and they didnt. However, to be fair, im not an expert and you may be right.
 
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So it seems we'll receive new car customization.
This VW 1200 needs a 4WD drivetrain, can I dream the game allows it one day?

First paid DLC, why not, let see this new career (and prices you can earn).
 
Will Sophy's difficulty level be selectable or will it be pre-defined like in older Gran Turismo games?
 
I'm thinking of selling my PS4 copy of the game, my PS4 and quitting modern GT for good now.

Are you [*]telling me we have to pay for events and features that should have been in the game from the beginning, AND it's exclusive to PS5 too, keeping in mind even [*]GT1 had practice and qualify, like HOW can they not even have new EVENTS on the PS4?

And before anyone says anything, NO I am not complaining while having HUNDREDS of hours in the game, I was sorta playing it from time to time and waiting for some updates and to see if MAYBE it would get good eventually outside of you having to try and make it fun yourself.

I could have gone with Forza 8 instead (I even played it on my PC when I still had Game Pass) if it wasn't always online which is something that makes me never pay for a game, at least at full price. Since Forza 8 is not available for Xbox One, I would need a Series X to play, and I do mean the [*]X version, I'm not paying for a digital copy of an always online game, and a Series S also wouldn't allow me to play Horizon 1 or 2 since I never bought those digital either. I only got GT7 because it's a physical copy, me and my brother already had a PS4, and the game had a decent price when I got it.

[*] Imagine me being way angrier in these parts, if you know what I mean..
Sounds like a plan, and then get a PS5 and GT7+DLC and enjoy the modern GT game you have been waiting for while playing Forza 5
 
Will Sophy's difficulty level be selectable or will it be pre-defined like in older Gran Turismo games?
I get the impression the races will have predefined difficulty with a curve, based on how they are presented in the screen shot they showed. I assume you'll do easier races to unlock harder races. I could see there being a difficulty selection too though, or maybe the global difficulty setting from the menu will apply.
 
I'm thinking of selling my PS4 copy of the game, my PS4 and quitting modern GT for good now.

Are you [*]telling me we have to pay for events and features that should have been in the game from the beginning, AND it's exclusive to PS5 too, keeping in mind even [*]GT1 had practice and qualify, like HOW can they not even have new EVENTS on the PS4?

And before anyone says anything, NO I am not complaining while having HUNDREDS of hours in the game, I was sorta playing it from time to time and waiting for some updates and to see if MAYBE it would get good eventually outside of you having to try and make it fun yourself.

I could have gone with Forza 8 instead (I even played it on my PC when I still had Game Pass) if it wasn't always online which is something that makes me never pay for a game, at least at full price. Since Forza 8 is not available for Xbox One, I would need a Series X to play, and I do mean the [*]X version, I'm not paying for a digital copy of an always online game, and a Series S also wouldn't allow me to play Horizon 1 or 2 since I never bought those digital either. I only got GT7 because it's a physical copy, me and my brother already had a PS4, and the game had a decent price when I got it.

[*] Imagine me being way angrier in these parts, if you know what I mean..
For sure you always can discuss about dlcs and its costs, missing features and whatever.
But honestly I don’t geht this „why not on ps4 anymore“ requests. This console is now 12 years old… at some point there is an end. All this Sophy stuff won’t work there. The console is not powerful enough anymore. Name one console in history that was supported for such a long time, please.
 
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