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Alert! Alert!Should be a hefty download size.
I think the system needs at least 5 GB of free space to run...
Alert! Alert!Should be a hefty download size.
Or parts bin tickets.lolNo more 3 stars tickets ???
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Eh, I guess that's just entitlement? They'd have more of an argument if something like practice or qualifying was being added as a feature across the whole game in a paid DLC a month or 6 months after the game came out.That doesn't explain why it's upsetting that the dlc is not free.
i wanna be clear, this is a supposition, i clearly don't know since i don't work at pd 😂 , but i think that screenshot confirms the existence of races with pre-set cars.I dont think its confirming you cant use your garage cars
It could work like time trials where you could use your garage cars as long as they egilable. Or have the option to rent, i dont think the roadgoing nsx will be eligable for super gt championchip.i wanna be clear, this is a supposition, i clearly don't know since i don't work at pd 😂 , but i think that screenshot confirm the existence of races with pre-set cars.
That's certainly a distinct possibility.Hope some new trophies as well.
PD has made it very clear so far what is premium DLC and what is not - Every update trailer says it is a free update.How many people will buy power pack thinking 2 new tracks and 8 cars are part of that.
At what price? I have been looking for a second hand and I found 2 in my region still at 350 dollars. That's too much for 2nd use. New ones still cost as much as when they were released at 650 dollars. I can't convince myself, let alone my wife, to acquire a PS5 plus the price of the DLC to enjoy a GT feature that was standard in GT4. There's no way Polyphony could not implement this DLC - without Sophy 3.0 - in the PS4 version. This is aggressive marketing strategy.Ok just talked to a good friend and he can help me get a ps5 with my limited budget. I will not have to be without....
Personally, if someone thinks that then they need to improve their observational and comprehension skills.
Anybody who makes that mistake needs to have a good look in the mirror and question their ability to understand basic language.
This was standard in GT4. Can't believe people are so excited about paying for standard features. They left them intentionally from the basic game and now play hero for offering it behind pay walls. Plus one must upgrade to PS5, for no clear reason other than Sophy 3.0, because this DLC is perfectly playable on PS4 if you leave Sophy out of the equation.Just to carry over my enthusiasm from the other thread, because I'm typically one of the "realist"/bummer people around here:
This is awesome. Exactly the sort've stuff I've been imagining for a theoretical GT8. More races based in reality.
I'm also very excited to see them finally trying a paid DLC. I hope this finally gives them some real data and feedback on what people are willing to spend money on and how much. I am more than happy to pay for more content if the ratio to $$$ feels fair. I think a $20 price tag on this would be good. Its also hard to mentally separate the car/track content that's part of the patch from the "Power Pack" DLC. So maybe $20 is an okay price. At the same time I absolutely love this series, they've made it this far without charging for content, and I really want to support Polyphony and hopefully they reciprocate that with a faster content release pace than we've had. So I'd be okay paying almost any amount which isn't the reality for casual fans. I'm essentially a "Whale" for Gran Turismo but I'm not spending a dime on stupid in-game currency.
Now see, even though this isn't directly part of the Spec 3 patch, its what they've been working on alongside that content as well.. So now when I say THIS feels like a Spec 3 update and it previously didn't.. This is what I meant. Girthy content and features beyond a couple cars and tracks.
Super excited. Happy the community has something to be excited about together. Wooooo I can't wait!
This was standard in GT4. Can't believe people are so excited about paying for standard features. They left them intentionally from the basic game and now play hero for offering it behind pay walls. Plus one must upgrade to PS5, for no clear reason other than Sophy 3.0, because this DLC is perfectly playable on PS4 if you leave Sophy out of the equation.
The investment for me to enjoy qualifying and practicing sessions with endurance racing in GT7 would be between €350 and €600 depending I get a second hand PS5 or a new one. That's not worth it. I bought my second hand PS4 for €100, 5 games included. People have gone absolutely mad what they are willing to spend on recreational gaming.
that is a valid question actually.
For me the problem or argument is not that the DLC is not free, but that they only make it available for the PS5 platform while this was just a basic feature in GT4 on PS2 over 15 years ago. Why do I NEED to upgrade my console at a €350-600 cost to enjoy the DLC?Eh, I guess that's just entitlement? They'd have more of an argument if something like practice or qualifying was being added as a feature across the whole game in a paid DLC a month or 6 months after the game came out.
Maybe they'll add practice and qualifying to the whole game later (if it isn't already as part of the Spec 3 update that they just didn't specifically feel the need to mention.) Which people would then also complain why did they "pay for it" before. All comes down to the perspective a person chooses to have. I don't feel like I'm paying for Practice or Qualifying because I don't really care that much about it and I don't think it matters much in the grand scheme of GT7 as it is. If a month from now they say "Oh, now it's available to everyone!", I'm not going to be upset. In my mind, I am paying for the DLC to support PD, for all of the time/money they've spent on prior and currently releasing content, and in return I'm getting new events/missions and that's about it. If they add these 50 events in next months free patch, then I'll be annoyed. I don't expect Sophy 3.0 to be some ground breaking change. It's already very good. This'll probably just make it work better for tire/fuel/pitstop management and better rain behavior (I honestly didn't realize it didn't already work with rain.)
I'm also voting with my dollars to say that, hey, I am interested in events that are based around real racing series, so that in the future, maybe they'll have less "Jimny Cup" or "Vision GT" events and more "Japanese Group A", "DTM", "AE86 N2", "BTCC", "Vintage Trans-Am", '90s GT, mid 2000s "GT1/GT2", "Can-Am" etc, down to SCCA/NASA club level (national amateur racing organizations here in the US) "Showroom Stock", "Touring 1/2/3/4", "Unlimited" events. And in turn, they would add more cars that fit into those categories. But also I love classic Gran Turismo so I'd love for them to make a DLC or keep adding more broad events based around Station Wagons, 4 door sport sedans, kei cars, RR, MR, FR, 70s/80s/90s etc events.
Practice/Qualifying is a feature that was probably more difficult to add than people think (cause it always is) and it's being added in a limited capacity that's maybe only necessary or applicable to racing against Sophy in an endurance event, so why bother adding it elsewhere. Or the feature was difficult enough to add that we're lucky they decided to add it at all in this limited capacity.
If they decided to put a "Donate" button in the game, where the only thing you get in return is knowing you're supporting Polyphony's efforts directly (lets just say it bypassed Sony for the sake of the argument), I would be happy to toss in $50 or $100. Because I've had way more than $100 worth of value (physical copy at launch for $70 or whatever and then later a digital copy for $30) from GT7 since launch and I want to support them and I know and understand that producing content for the game costs money.
Nothing is free. To me this is a very obvious and basic concept that for some reason I keep writing lengthy posts trying to convey. It feels like a silly waste of time.
The only real argument I can stand behind 95% of the time, and the reason this forum is almost non-stop chaotic debate, is that Sony/Polyphony are not transparent enough. If they'd simply explain the reasoning for their choices, then we could have more grounded and less speculative discussion. That other 5% is kind of understanding why they do it. Because you see with some developers, when they do explain the thought process behind a decision or let the player base have input prior to a games release, that turns into it's own insanity from likely this same segment of people who think everything should be free.
This 1000%! I wont buy PS5, just gona wait PS6 and GT8. GT7 on PS4 is good deal for me from day one.This was standard in GT4. Can't believe people are so excited about paying for standard features. They left them intentionally from the basic game and now play hero for offering it behind pay walls. Plus one must upgrade to PS5, for no clear reason other than Sophy 3.0, because this DLC is perfectly playable on PS4 if you leave Sophy out of the equation.
26 years agowhile this was just a basic feature in GT4 on PS2 over 15 years ago
Maybe because your console is 12 years old ?Why do I NEED to upgrade my console at a €350-600 cost to enjoy the DLC?
I'll take it as a compliment?A perk of buying into PS5 and GT7 is that now I can visit and comment on these parts of the forums (instead of just lurking), and boy I've not been disappointed! The FH/FM parts are so tame in comparison.![]()
For me the problem or argument is not that the DLC is not free, but that they only make it available for the PS5 platform while this was just a basic feature in GT4 on PS2 over 15 years ago. Why do I NEED to upgrade my console at a €350-600 cost to enjoy the DLC?
So you are right, the complete lack of transparency by PD about it is very frustrating. If the reason is Sophy 3.0, than just leave that out and offer the DLC to PS4 gamers too. Is it actually that hard?!
26 years already?! Lol I felt that.26 years ago
Maybe because your console is 12 years old ?
Remember, you also NEED to upgrade to enjoy Sophy. And PSVR2.
About the DLC, we don't know every detail yet. Same for update 1.64. Let's wait and see. Anyway we cannot reach PD to tell them what they are doing right or wrong, and it's been going like this for years.
Because your console doesn't support the AI system that is featured in the DLC. Sophy has been a key feature for GT7 for several years now, that PS4 players miss out on. Without the events, there is no DLC.For me the problem or argument is not that the DLC is not free, but that they only make it available for the PS5 platform while this was just a basic feature in GT4 on PS2 over 15 years ago. Why do I NEED to upgrade my console at a €350-600 cost to enjoy the DLC?
So you are right, the complete lack of transparency by PD about it is very frustrating. If the reason is Sophy 3.0, than just leave that out and offer the DLC to PS4 gamers too. Is it actually that hard?!
Free discussion needs all points of view to be read and considered. I may be in a unique position compared with many PS owners and GT7 players because I got the game bundled with the console, so technically it was "free", so I'm in liberty to decide whether the DLC will add more value to the game I'm currently playing and make a purchase decision thereupon sooner, or much later.I'll take it as a compliment.
All these fanboys screaming "take my money" to PD just to reinvent an old basic feature behind not only a paywall but als an aggressive marketing strategy is beyond belief.
35yrs of gaming, this dinosaur lives on the very edge of gaming society looking from the darkness with a "what has this gaming world become" shaking head approach on the matter.
Well then they could just leave Sophy out of it 🤷?It is if the whole content is based on Sophy 3.0
They can just make it PS4 no Sophy and PS5 with Sophy, that is just plain logic.Because your console doesn't support the AI system that is featured in the DLC. Sophy has been a key feature for GT7 for several years now, that PS4 players miss out on. Without the events, there is no DLC.
If this is of no interest to you, then don't upgrade, but also, don't complain. It's equally unfair to the PS5 owners to be forced to have inferior gameplay just to keep the PS4 owners happy.
Mate, this isn't EA Sports/Call of Duty levels of predation. Those are what i would consider the 'state of gaming' as a whole in today's world.35yrs of gaming, this dinosaur lives on the very edge of gaming society looking from the darkness with a "what has this gaming world become" shaking head approach on the matter.
Any event can indeed be added using regular AI. Thus it depends in, how'd you think of the AI in previous GT? (in case it's given on PS4 with regular AI) Do you think they're ok or passable or that PD can leave them out as they be? (the AI is one of the longstanding complaints like vacuum cleaner car sounds) Be ok if you have qualifying and grid start thus the races have no challenge at all by just breezing through all the AI?This was standard in GT4. Can't believe people are so excited about paying for standard features. They left them intentionally from the basic game and now play hero for offering it behind pay walls. Plus one must upgrade to PS5, for no clear reason other than Sophy 3.0, because this DLC is perfectly playable on PS4 if you leave Sophy out of the equation.
Unless it's a testbed for the future integration of Sophy and GT8 from the get-go, and it may also be a preview of what the main campaign will be. As enjoyable as the Cafe Menus have been for me (for the history-design aspect), I don't see PD repeating that.They can just make it PS4 no Sophy and PS5 with Sophy, that is just plain logic.
I mean, I paid for a product, the PS5, and later the Pro, and then later again a used PSVR2.. to use features and have benefits across dozens of games I've played over a few thousand hours probably. No, it doesn't make sense for someone to buy a console and pay a lot of money for one game unless they really enjoy that game. And I am old but I am not naive enough to think everything should still cost the same as it did 30 years ago or that the video game industry or the world works like it used to.It is common to get ridiculed for sharing unpopular opinions. I got used to that.
FYI, I actually can afford it pretty easily. It's about principals and common sense. About saving your money for real life uses. I would have had no remarks whatsoever if PD just would have included the PS4 gamers in this really lovely expansion pack. That is a really low and despicable action to aggressively market the PS5 console.
Not sure what is so laughable at my opinion but you do you.