Gran Turismo 7 “Power Pack” Paid DLC Now Available: New Races Including Endurance Events, Qualifying, and “Sophy 3.0”

[jonoholland29]

They can just make it PS4 no Sophy and PS5 with Sophy, that is just plain logic.

And have no content? Just credits?

 

[Seikenfreak]

They can just make it PS4 no Sophy and PS5 with Sophy, that is just plain logic.

Polyphony right now reading this:

I must disengage now.

 

[Grand_Tourist]

Any event can indeed be added using regular AI. Thus it depends in, how'd you think of the AI in previous GT? (in case it's given on PS4 with regular AI) Do you think they're ok or passable or that PD can leave them out as they be? (the AI is one of the longstanding complaints like vacuum cleaner car sounds) Be ok if you have qualifying and grid start thus the races have no challenge at all by just breezing through all the AI?

I agree current AI lacks the I but still I have challenging races on hard mode. Just should have given the PS4 gamers this opportunity too. I accept of course PS4 potential is nowhere near PS5 so I don't expect miracles yet I expect the same basic treatment because I still payed full market price for GT7 many years later than release date (which was not smart of me looking back, nostalgia is my weakness).

 

[newmedia_dev]

I agree current AI lacks the I but still I have challenging races on hard mode. Just should have given the PS4 gamers this opportunity too. I accept of course PS4 potential is nowhere near PS5 so I don't expect miracles yet I expect the same basic treatment because I still payed full market price for GT7 many years later than release date (which was not smart of me looking back, nostalgia is my weakness).

Sadly welcome to planned obsolescence and technology dependent progress.

For every yin argument (yours for example) there is the yang, in how much more could a PS5 only focused game have given had it not been a backwards compatible compromise to make sure there was a very good game for PS4

These are all moot circular arguments which really and maybe fairly moans disguised as arguments which are based on wants rather than realities.

 

[Famine]

They can just make it PS4 no Sophy and PS5 with Sophy, that is just plain logic.

If you want, you can set up a 24hr Gr.3 race at the Nurburgring N24 or Spa against the regular AI now, on PS4, in Custom Race. You don't need to wait for the Power Pack.

Let us know how it goes.

 

[tonidavid5]

I agree current AI lacks the I but still I have challenging races on hard mode. Just should have given the PS4 gamers this opportunity too. I accept of course PS4 potential is nowhere near PS5 so I don't expect miracles yet I expect the same basic treatment because I still payed full market price for GT7 many years later than release date (which was not smart of me looking back, nostalgia is my weakness).

This is so frustating. Going around and around and around...
C'mon guys! The fact that GT7 was released as a crossgen game (read back several pages for context given as to why this happened when GT7 was originally supposed to be PS5 exclusively) doesn't oblige the developer to keep supporting both platforms.
In fact, I believe it's counter productive as a whole (for both GT7 as a game and for future installments, i.e. GT8, & PS6).
The same way it doesn't force current PS5 owners of the game to buy the PP payed DLC if they think it's not worth it.

 

[Grand_Tourist]

If you want, you can set up a 24hr Gr.3 race at the Nurburgring N24 or Spa against the regular AI now, on PS4, in Custom Race. You don't need to wait for the Power Pack.

Let us know how it goes.

I would if I could save progress during pit stops, which was a basic feature in GT4 if I remember correctly.
Just put it in B-SPEC mode (you know, basic feature back then too) and save progress during pitstop.

No paywall, no new console, just plain basic. No need to let your PS2 powered for 24h (or longer with pauses) straight.

Also, for career mode, I would need to create my own championship via custom races, updating progress manually on a different form ( a point sheet on a pc or paper) and qualifying would be a random process.

Kills the immersion a bit but sure some people have done this.

 

[Nattefrost]

It is common to get ridiculed for sharing unpopular opinions. I got used to that.

FYI, I actually can afford it pretty easily. It's about principals and common sense. About saving your money for real life uses. I would have had no remarks whatsoever if PD just would have included the PS4 gamers in this really lovely expansion pack. That is a really low and despicable action to aggressively market the PS5 console.

Not sure what is so laughable at my opinion but you do you.

I get being disappointed that it's not available for PS4, but to call it a despicable and aggressive marketing strategy is just a bit absurd. The effect that this would have on PS5 console sales will be so minimal that it might as well be a rounding error, since the console isn't exactly struggling. As a marketing strategy, it would be about the least effective one that they could come up with.

The reason for it is likely much simpler. This DLC seems to be built around Sophy and, no matter how easy some people claim it would be to just omit Sophy, PD probable disagrees and only wants this version out there. With the PS5 now entering its 6th year, it would be fairly unrealistic for PS4 owners to still expect content specifically tailored to that console. As a gamer, you might not feel the need to move on, but that doesn't mean PD as a studio shouldn't.

 

[Grand_Tourist]

I get being disappointed that it's not available for PS4, but to call it a despicable and aggressive marketing strategy is just a bit absurd. The effect that this would have on PS5 console sales will be so minimal that it might as well be a rounding error, since the console isn't exactly struggling. As a marketing strategy, it would be about the least effective one that they could come up with.

The reason for it is likely much simpler. This DLC seems to be built around Sophy and, no matter how easy some people claim it would be to just omit Sophy, PD probable disagrees and only wants this version out there. With the PS5 now entering its 6th year, it would be fairly unrealistic for PS4 owners to still expect content specifically tailored to that console. As a gamer, you might not feel the need to move on, but that doesn't mean PD as a studio shouldn't.

Well I am truly disappointed 🤷reason has left the building as soon as betrayal entered the front door. Because let's face it, they always promised it but now they offer it via DLC on PS5 only. That's just poor. And again, a basic feature 26 YEARS AGO on a lesser system.

Exaggeration is personal interpretation.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I would if I could save progress during pit stops, which was a basic feature in GT4 if I remember correctly.
Just put it in B-SPEC mode (you know, basic feature back then too) and save progress during pitstop.

14 year old Glen used to leave my PS1 paused while I went to school, then when I went to bed.

That was part of the fun…praying the power doesn’t go out.

As a related but relevant point, is people love the idea of 24 hour races and championships but want to elongate them to the point they aren’t endurance races anymore but just stints broken up with life, family, motivation and spread over days…..that’s not really what an endurance 24 race is if we want to get all pitch forks about it.

And having B spec Bob do most of the race isn’t endurance racing it’s endurance race management but not really endurance because you can pause and come back at any time.

 

[Talon16]

I keep waiting/hoping the Power Pack will show up in the Playstation store soon for pre-purchase and download (where you can download the content but it doesn't 'activate' until the 4th).

Probably still a bit premature for that but would be nice to get the paying and downloading part out of the way sooner than later.

 

[Famine]

I would if I could save progress during pit stops, which was a basic feature in GT4 if I remember correctly.

You do not. It was added in GT5.

Just put it in B-SPEC mode (you know, basic feature back then too)

Sure. And you could triple speed it too. Except if you used it, you didn't get the points for it...

Other basic features from GT4 include 4,000 polygon cars. Let's go back to that, shall we?

and save progress during pitstop.

No need to let your PS2 powered for 24h (or longer with pauses) straight.

Again, you are misremembering. You could not save on PS2 and had to do exactly what you say: leave it running the whole time for 24hr (or longer with pauses).

Not only that, you had five AI opponents. And absolutely no weather on tracks. And no day/night cycles either. The three (mandatory for progression) 24hr races were literally six-car, all-day, all-fine weather, pause-when-you're-tired slogs.


Again, if you want the 24hr endurance races coming in the Power Pack but with standard AI on PS4, you literally do have that. You can pause and suspend the game to leave your PS5 in standby - an improvement over PS2.

Let us know how it goes.

 

[o000o]

Unless it's a testbed for the future integration of Sophy and GT8 from the get-go, and it may also be a preview of what the main campaign will be. As enjoyable as the Cafe Menus have been for me (for the history-design aspect), I don't see PD repeating that.

Nothing prevents Cafe from using Sophy (and by extension qualifying and grid start) if it's ready. And Power Pack may still have similar problem in restricting freedom (e.g. pre-selected cars) which was what the Cafe did.

I agree current AI lacks the I but still I have challenging races on hard mode. Just should have given the PS4 gamers this opportunity too. I accept of course PS4 potential is nowhere near PS5 so I don't expect miracles yet I expect the same basic treatment because I still payed full market price for GT7 many years later than release date (which was not smart of me looking back, nostalgia is my weakness).

I don't know if you tolerate or don't like chase the rabbit format, but do you mean challenging for the current AI they have for hard difficulty select? Maybe it's due to the chase the rabbit format but let's see if against those AI, there's no chase the rabbit format, wonder if it'd be still challenging.

 

[GT_Tuga]

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I think the system needs at least 5 GB of free space to run...

Which is why I have bought an external HDD, actually I bought it to install GT7 because my PS4 only has 500GB, that's probably good enough for let's say 3, maybe 4 games tops?

Bought this 2TB hard drive from Seagate which is also officially sponsored by Playstation, hooked it up via USB port and bam, problem solved!

So far, never had any issues with it. Works perfectly, and since it's an officially "licensed" product it's also PS5-compatible, but since that console works on SSD technology I'm not sure if it affects the overall performance of the system/games being executed directly from it.

I have no idea if there's anything like an SSD external drive you can buy for your PS5, but this one from Seagate seems to work pretty good actually 👍

 

[newmedia_dev]

I think everyone’s mileage varies with these things.

PS4 doesn’t get all the goodness

PS5 was “possibly” held back

What people want and enjoy sometimes don’t line up with their asks but will be happy/disappointed

We can either except the reality or moan to a universe that is not going to change the reality.

For what it’s worth I don’t really care about 99% of the update/dlc as I just want better sports mode races and formats. And that’s all I’m HOPING for

 

[Grand_Tourist]

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[Voodoovaj]

I'll take it as a compliment.

All these fanboys screaming "take my money" to PD just to reinvent an old basic feature behind not only a paywall but als an aggressive marketing strategy is beyond belief.

Honest question, why are you here?

Most games struggle to give their players 40 hours of play time. Some can provide hundreds of hours. I've logged over 2500 hours on GT7 alone. And I know that among forum members, I am not alone. So, ya, PD can "take my money" for providing me with 100X the entertainment value of any other game on the market.

And MANY MANY MANY on this forum can attest to the fact that I often have criticism of the game. Nevertheless, the quality of the experience is proven by the passion of the community. You don't share that passion.

35yrs of gaming, this dinosaur lives on the very edge of gaming society looking from the darkness with a "what has this gaming world become" shaking head approach on the matter.

I have 50+ years of gaming. This dinosaur thinks the problem is you.

Don't fill your time coming to a forum populated by hardcore fans of this game you don't like, to discuss how you don't like it, and how we're fools for thinking differently.

Maybe you need to find another hobby.

 

[Lomic]

Honest question, why are you here?

Most games struggle to give their players 40 hours of play time. Some can provide hundreds of hours. I've logged over 2500 hours on GT7 alone. And I now that among forum members, I am not alone. So, ya, PD can "take my money" for providing me with 100X the entertainment value of any other game on the market.

And MANY MANY MANY on this forum can attest to the fact that I often have criticism of the game. Nevertheless, the quality of the experience is proven by the passion of the community. You don't share that passion.

I have 50+ years of gaming. This dinosaur thinks the problem is you.

Don't fill your time coming to a forum populated by hardcore fans of this game you don't like, to discuss how you don't like it, and how we're fools for thinking differently.

Maybe you need to find another hobby.

Come on, he said end of rant, why would you have to put a new coin ? Plus he may be as passionnate as you.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Come on, he said end of rant, why would you have to put a new coin ? Plus he may be as passionnate as you.

Because I wrote my post before he said end of rant. Not my fault how it gets sorted.

Not to mention, in that "end of rant" post, he questioned why the PS5 people got more. " cater the PS5 gamers with champagne, main course, desserts." Well, we are the ones that put out the extra money for the newer platform. Why shouldn't we get more?

I upgraded from PS4 to PS5 last year. No complaints. If I hadn't, that's on me, not on PD or Sony.

 

[Grand_Tourist]

You do not. It was added in GT5.

Sure. And you could triple speed it too. Except if you used it, you didn't get the points for it...

Other basic features from GT4 include 4,000 polygon cars. Let's go back to that, shall we?


Again, you are misremembering. You could not save on PS2 and had to do exactly what you say: leave it running the whole time for 24hr (or longer with pauses).

Not only that, you had five AI opponents. And absolutely no weather on tracks. And no day/night cycles either. The three (mandatory for progression) 24hr races were literally six-car, all-day, all-fine weather, pause-when-you're-tired slogs.


Again, if you want the 24hr endurance races coming in the Power Pack but with standard AI on PS4, you literally do have that. You can pause and suspend the game to leave your PS5 in standby - an improvement over PS2.

Let us know how it goes.

Indeed it was GT5, still 3 versions earlier than GT7 so... Why abandon this magnificent feature? B-SPEC was another great feature, imagine this spec with the current version. What a lovely spectacle to watch your pilots race your personal tuned and painted cars. No let's just scrap that.

We are not discussing the graphic quality of the game, it's impeccable. It's visually an absolute masterpiece. I totally agree. The livery editor is a great enrichment too.

We are originally also not arguing about 24h features specifically, but about career mode, race weekends and championship mode. Now being offered as a DLC for PS5 only.

I misremembered some elements of the game but the argument still stands. Have a nice evening.

 

[Seikenfreak]

I'm certainly not expecting this Power Pak to feel like a "Career" mode. I'm guessing it'll feel more like Missions with a bit of structure. And I don't know if 50 events is going to feel like a lot or not. Depends on how many I actually want to do. If they have repeatable rewards or not.

I probably haven't done half the Missions already in the game because they use cars or tracks or weird goals/gameplay I'm not interested in. I've only done up to like the I-B or I-A license maybe because there isn't really a reason for me to do them.

 

[suomi1]

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Enjoy the expansion nonetheless, don't let my negative attitude get in the way of it by all means. ☺️

It is common to get ridiculed for sharing unpopular opinions. I got used to that.

[...]

Not sure what is so laughable at my opinion but you do you.

Here's today's lesson : never give the impression on a forum that you are open to criticism. lol

I'm certainly not expecting this Power Pak to feel like a "Career" mode. I'm guessing it'll feel more like Missions with a bit of structure. And I don't know if 50 events is going to feel like a lot or not. Depends on how many I actually want to do. If they have repeatable rewards or not.

I probably haven't done half the Missions already in the game because they use cars or tracks or weird goals/gameplay I'm not interested in. I've only done up to like the I-B or I-A license maybe because there isn't really a reason for me to do them.

I don't think repeatable rewards are the biggest deal here, renewable experiences yes. Especially when it comes to endurance racing. If the car you have to use, the weather "scenario", and the opponent cars are set; then whatever the reward is, it will be a pain to do these races again.

 

[RACECAR]

Let's be real, folks: The landscape is moving fully away from PS4. Covid threw a massive curveball ontop of the availability nonsense with the PS5 so of course PS4 users got lucky with the extended support. However, that's over now. The two biggest examples are not only many games now exclusively going to PS5 (Hell a MMO I've been playing recently switched entirely to current gen consoles in June, citing the "Aging Hardware" as a hinderance to keeping their updates on par with their PC counterpart) but the PS4 itself will have its PSN services Sunset in 2026.

Overall, its just looking less and less sensible to have GT7 for PS4. Not me trying to be a Sony salesmen (I was in the same position you guys were last year) but the signs have been on the wall so I'm not exactly surprised this powerpack is exclusively for a platform that will see its services continuing while the one that isn't getting it is the one that'll have its services terminated next year.

One thing I am curious about is what is the budget of you folks still on PS4, Hopefully there are some trade in deals to help you folks out.

 

[Nebuc72]

Agreed, but my initial argument is that race weekends and career were absolute standard features back then and now one not only must pay for the DLC that features it but also one needs to upgrade one's system which is unprecedented for a basic feature that has been around since before GT4 even? How are people accepting this as a logic thing to do?

This is incomprehensible for me. They literally could have made a career mode / championship structure as a sole compensation for the PS4 gamers - even at a small price - and cater the PS5 gamers with champagne, main course, desserts.

End of rant.

Feels weird to imply everyone else is suckers for wanting/buying the DLC that is just a rehash what the old games have whilst your other point is militantly complaining that it's not avaliable on your console and you can't buy it. Makes it seem like one is the chosen scapegoat for not being able to buy in to the other.

The DLC on PS4 sans Sophy would literally be you paying for a new menu to access a bunch of pre-set Custom Races. Sophy is pretty clearly the driving decision behind something like this being able to exist, and with that not existing on PS4 then neither will the DLC.

That said, if you want to spend £20-ish on a bunch of Custom Races then feel free to PayPal it to me and I can send you over some I have made.
Might even make a little Excel spreadsheet for you to get the rest of the experience you'd be missing.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Agreed, but my initial argument is that race weekends and career were absolute standard features back then and now one not only must pay for the DLC that features it but also one needs to upgrade one's system which is unprecedented for a basic feature that has been around since before GT4 even? How are people accepting this as a logic thing to do?

This is incomprehensible for me. They literally could have made a career mode / championship structure as a sole compensation for the PS4 gamers - even at a small price - and cater the PS5 gamers with champagne, main course, desserts.

End of rant.

Coulda, shoulda, now have

I get the frustration but I think our range of games differs.

And so yeah these things were present in GTR, GTR2, GT Legends, Live for Speed, Rfactor and Rfactor2 and the Grid games/TOCA games did it exceedingly well along with with mediocre of the time Gran Turismo, no rose tinted glasses.

I think what you want isn’t a bad ask, I just don’t think honestly you are thinking wider audience here, or what a live service game is and what you paid for vs hours of good gaming.

We are human and we always want more and we always self centre to our own wants, they are valid but not always realistic in line with what is actually infront of us.

We can talk histrionics, literally till the cows come home, my old Nokia 9610 would last 5 days without a charge, my phone and watch need charging….regression in the name of progress.

I’d honestly put that tone back in your box, avid gamers will always chase the next best gaming thing. I have all of my PlayStation consoles and bought an over priced scalped PS5 in covind, I also have a DD wheel and only play in VR.

I don’t lord it up ever, I tell people what I play with and people on PS4/5s on controllers post top 10 world lap times. We all have our thing and it’s what we have not what defines us.

Your annoyance as is a lot of the annoyed people is well grounded but not matching the reality. There is no complaining that will change things, the sooner you accept that the happier you will ultimately be.

I’d also recommend a PS5 and VR because it turns racing imagination in to racing reality as an internal narrative.

But you do you mate, your not wrong to be annoyed but what is your expectation other than a whole bunch of disgruntled people who got the short straw but that’s not ever gonna change now in GT land

 

[Grand_Tourist]

Feels weird to imply everyone else is suckers for wanting/buying the DLC that is just a rehash what the old games have whilst your other point is militantly complaining that it's not avaliable on your console and you can't buy it. Makes it seem like one is the chosen scapegoat for not being able to buy in to the other.

The DLC on PS4 sans Sophy would literally be you paying for a new menu to access a bunch of pre-set Custom Races. Sophy is pretty clearly the driving decision behind something like this being able to exist, and with that not existing on PS4 then neither will the DLC.

That said, if you want to spend £20-ish on a bunch of Custom Races then feel free to PayPal it to me and I can send you over some I have made.
Might even make a little Excel spreadsheet for you to get the rest of the experience you'd be missing.

I can make my own Excel files thank you. I wouldn't pay €20.

 

[Gingerale]

People are so entitled today lol.

 

[Kentali92]

I would if I could save progress during pit stops, which was a basic feature in GT4 if I remember correctly.
Just put it in B-SPEC mode (you know, basic feature back then too) and save progress during pitstop.

No paywall, no new console, just plain basic. No need to let your PS2 powered for 24h (or longer with pauses) straight.

Also, for career mode, I would need to create my own championship via custom races, updating progress manually on a different form ( a point sheet on a pc or paper) and qualifying would be a random process.

Kills the immersion a bit but sure some people have done this.

Im pretty sure they will improve the career mode big time for gt8 ,its truly lacking. Im not an online racer my self ,so just doing the same races over and over again to buy myself cars i probably will never use anyway, not for me. Just had a big pause from playing gt7 ,have been back for a few days now and probably will get bored pretty soon again.

 

[Famine]

Why abandon this magnificent feature?

There's... so many reasons, as it happens, but both the question and answer are basically meaningless because the fact of it is that the feature isn't in this game - nor in GT6 or Sport. Knowing why won't alter a thing.

B-SPEC was another great feature, imagine this spec with the current version. What a lovely spectacle to watch your pilots race your personal tuned and painted cars. No let's just scrap that.

The same thing applies here.

Interestingly, when we wrote about the Sophy B-Spec demo last year, a lot of people responded that they didn't really care. Someone, I recall, asked on the forum if it was something people actually enjoyed...

We are not discussing the graphic quality of the game, it's impeccable. It's visually an absolute masterpiece. I totally agree. The livery editor is a great enrichment too.

Sure, but it points to the absurdity of the "[this is how things were] so [this should still be how things are]" argument.

Even making the game is orders of magnitude harder now. Making features that used to exist in games running at 1% of the current quality that run in the current game at commensurate quality is not as easy as "Well, GT5 had it".

There are also potentially other decisions - business decisions - that take place above the studio which may preclude some choices. For example, GTS/7 don't have party/lobby voice chat; that's an SIE decision.

But again, knowing exactly why doesn't change the facts of it.

We are originally also not arguing about 24h features specifically, but about career mode, race weekends and championship mode. Now being offered as a DLC for PS5 only.

Again, while there there are reasons (and some, this time, directly stated by Yamauchi) for the practice/qualy/race cycle - which had been in since GT1 - being removed for Sport/7 (and for no endurance races since GT5), knowing them changes nothing.

You also asked for these races to be on PS4 with standard AI:

They can just make it PS4 no Sophy and PS5 with Sophy, that is just plain logic.

They already are, as I said. Aside from knowing what they are - I used the Gr.3/N24 as an example of an extremely obvious probable one - there's not even need to wait for the Pack to come; you can do them right now.

Unless there is a specific, different reason for not doing so, what's stopping you?

 

[Seikenfreak]

Here's today's lesson : never give the impression on a forum that you are open to criticism. lol

Eh, tons of people complain on here. As I've said, I'm one of them. I could complain about so much that I don't like in GT7 or ideas for improvements right now lol But I'd like to think they're backed by at least some logic lol

I don't think repeatable rewards are the biggest deal here, renewable experiences yes. Especially when it comes to endurance racing. If the car you have to use, the weather "scenario", and the opponent cars are set; then whatever the reward is, it will be a pain to do these races again.

For sure. There are so many details we don't know and there is room for exciting potential or disappointment. I love some of the weather based events in the game already as even though rain may happen in a vaguely scripted timeline, the rain itself seems random. I was just doing that Gr.1 Weekly Event and had to repeat it multiple times because the weather would change how hard it hit and be off by like one or two laps etc. If they can make it entirely dynamic/random through the power of the PS5 then that'd be awesome.

Some repeatable credit rewards is just a personal hope, though I'm not expecting it from what I see so far. I'm expecting most races won't be endurance and may be more traditional. 10 lap races or 30 min events etc. I mean, I have no idea. It seems like a safe bet that the majority of them aren't going to be 6hr+ races. They didn't say that it is an endurance focused DLC but just that it'll include a 24hr race more or less.

The 1hr Spa race is the only one I've ever really repeated because the 1.5 mil clean race reward feels like a good reward to me for 1 hour on a track I like with somewhat dynamic weather and I have like 15 different cars I can choose to mix things up. Even then, I haven't done it in awhile. I pretty much get all my credits from popping on and doing a few of the Weekly events at this point. 12 mil is probably the most amount of money I've ever had at one time, so I think all you people asking for $100+ mil credit cap increase are crazy lol I don't have a single one of the 20 mil cars (one of my complaints.) Whatever that event is in Tokyo people talk about; I've never even done it lol I have weird feelings about the Tokyo Expressway course.

@Famine mentioned and reminded me of the online Time Trial reward in a previous post somewhere which made me go look at it. I knew Time Trials existed and I think I've done it once or twice before but it's not usually my thing and/or it's with a car/track combo I don't want to do. Plus the crazy alien times are depressing. But I did a few laps on the NSX one and got a Gold time and then a little more time on the F1 Suzuka one was close but only good enough for Silver. I didn't care enough to spend more time on them.

Anyway, that felt like a little bit of tangent. It would be great for me if some of these events had repeatable credit rewards so I have more options to get credits while also enjoying the racing.

@Famine

Interestingly, when we wrote about the Sophy B-Spec demo last year, a lot of people responded that they didn't really care. Someone, I recall, asked on the forum if it was something people actually enjoyed...

Could've been me. I fall into that category. I never touched it. But I'm more curious about it these days and wouldn't mind seeing it in the game. I might even pay for such a thing gasp