Gran Turismo 7 “Power Pack” Paid DLC Now Available: New Races Including Endurance Events, Qualifying, and “Sophy 3.0”

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The Power Pack is all about Sophy 3.0, isn't it? That's how I interpreted it, anyway. It's not really about the 50 events that they've used to showcase 3.0, it's about the next step in Sophy and showing what it can do - we can only guess what that is, but presumably it includes strategy, if we can now race it over 24 hours. What would be the point of releasing it on PS4 without Sophy 3.0, when Sophy 3.0 is the entire point of releasing it in the first place? Obviously qualifying and endurance races are enticing, but it would be dreadful with the basic AI - it's all about Sophy 3.0.
 
Because I wrote my post before he said end of rant. Not my fault how it gets sorted.

Not to mention, in that "end of rant" post, he questioned why the PS5 people got more. " cater the PS5 gamers with champagne, main course, desserts." Well, we are the ones that put out the extra money for the newer platform. Why shouldn't we get more?

I upgraded from PS4 to PS5 last year. No complaints. If I hadn't, that's on me, not on PD or Sony.
Same, I’ll rehash how I accepted the fact I couldn’t get GT7 because of the low availability of PS5s at the time. Instead, I just remained happy that others would enjoy the game and I’d view posts until I got a PS5. When the game became available on both consoles, I was ecstatic.
I read all the complaints about PS5 being held back. I didn’t really pay much attention to the complaints. Once I did get a PS5, I understood. Again, I was fine if GT7 would have been PS5 exclusive. It should have been.

Kaz once said the best way to play GT7 is on PS5, PSVR2 and a wheel. The game was developed that way. Sure, casual gamers may not know this. Many may not care. Any one gamer’s situation will vary financially and gaming libraries can reflect that.

Man, Some people need to think. Buying a PS5 allows a player to experience GT7 at its optimal. Shelling out whatever price in a players location is the cost. A players PS4 game library can still be accessed on the PS5. Also new racing games for next gen consoles and even cross platform gaming. The PS5 have multiple benefits. No need to to be one dimensional about it.
 
Unless there is a specific, different reason for not doing so, what's stopping you?
The same thing that stops 99.9% of people. It’s really hard and honestly not as fun as watching on TV.

People (and this is my job) often want things but can’t describe why or What they want so they default to what is essentially FOMO but FOMO of imagined loss not all of the actual gains for them and what they actually do in the game.
 
Because I wrote my post before he said end of rant. Not my fault how it gets sorted.

Not to mention, in that "end of rant" post, he questioned why the PS5 people got more. " cater the PS5 gamers with champagne, main course, desserts." Well, we are the ones that put out the extra money for the newer platform. Why shouldn't we get more?

I upgraded from PS4 to PS5 last year. No complaints. If I hadn't, that's on me, not on PD or Sony.
There's just one misunderstanding, I don't question why PS5 gamers get more, I actually would agree that PS4 gamers just could have a basic version of the DLC - at discount to the full pack - while the PS5 gamers could be catered with the whole menu. It just feels really unfair because I also have invested, during my lifetime, a lot of money already in PD.

Further I'd like to apologise for being this negative, or to bring frustration to this community, I do have unpopular opinions.

Also I'd like to argument that I am a passionate GT player (and livery editor) but I am getting very confused and frustrated about the evolution of the GT brand and gaming entirely.
I need to be online to play offline?
I need to pay to play online?
I get extra cars, I don't need nor want, for free?
I don't get any new tracks or great tracks from previous versions exempt SPEC 3?
I need to pay for pretty basic features?
I need to buy the latest console to be able to buy the DLC to get some basic features?

Where are they going with this? And yet people just get it while I'm looking for logic.

This was not a rant.
 
so I'd like to argument that I am a passionate GT player (and livery editor) but I am getting very confused and frustrated about the evolution of the GT brand and gaming entirely.
I need to be online to play offline?
I need to pay to play online?
I get extra cars, I don't need nor want, for free?
I don't get any new tracks or great tracks from previous versions exempt SPEC 3?
It’s how gaming has been going for nearly 10 years! Season passes, 4 hour MW campaigns.

Online costs. It’s the cable, Netflix of entertainment.

It’s just monetisation for huge investments in servers. There is nothing wrong with this just an adjustment.

Live service games with cloud storage and feeding live data in their game, honestly do you use your laptop offline?

Expectation management will be your friend. If you anchor yourself on what came before you will likely be disappointed my friend.
I need to pay for pretty basic features?
I need to buy the latest console to be able to buy the DLC to get some basic features?
No, play the game you have there is no arm twisting. You want to watch 4K movies in 4K, buy a 4K TV

I’m really struggling to see your point now. Your argument isn’t an arguement it’s a rant and the same rant.

To be very very clear. You have a PS4 these things aren’t available to PS4.

If you go to the PlayStation apps store you will be able to see a lot of stuff that you can’t have.

What’s the problem other than raging they chose to design for the more modern hardware, bearing in mind it’s their game they make, market how the want?

🤷‍♂️
 
I need to be online to play offline?
I need to pay to play online?
I get extra cars, I don't need nor want, for free?
I don't get any new tracks or great tracks from previous versions exempt SPEC 3?
I need to pay for pretty basic features?
I need to buy the latest console to be able to buy the DLC to get some basic features?

Where are they going with this? And yet people just get it while I'm looking for logic.
Honestly I think most people here probably complained about all of this and feel the same way you do. But that was 15-20 years ago dude. We are way beyond it. Many of these battles are pretty much lost. Paying to play online does suck but also servers cost money and the console manufacturers and software developers need money-- more money than ever, to keep going. Nothing is free. And that always online crap is stupid and mostly unnecessary except the console manufacturers want it. It's beneficial to them and some software devs I imagine. Unfortunately, all you can do is not buy the software or hardware in question.
 
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The same thing that stops 99.9% of people. It’s really hard and honestly not as fun as watching on TV.

People (and this is my job) often want things but can’t describe why or What they want so they default to what is essentially FOMO but FOMO of imagined loss not all of the actual gains for them and what they actually do in the game.
Oh I know. I bet that even some of the people who buy the pack won't ever do whatever 24hr race(s) it makes available after all the noise about them not arriving as "promised"*.

Although I do expect that the people who do buy it will be among the people most interested in that sort of thing.


*24hr real-time duration races were not promised.

I need to be online to play offline?
This is to prevent save file manipulation, in part likely mandated by SIE to prevent players from illicitly accessing paid add-ons. Does knowing this help?
I need to pay to play online?
Paid multiplayer access is a standard established by Xbox, and demanded by PlayStation players to "pay for better servers". Does knowing this help?
I get extra cars, I don't need nor want, for free?
Bizarrely, the game is not specifically catered to your exact tastes of cars. Also... complaining about hundreds (since GTS launched) of new free cars is... new.
I don't get any new tracks or great tracks from previous versions exempt SPEC 3?
The game has had so many new tracks - including tracks from previous games - that despite GTS launching with the fewest since GT1, GT7 will soon equal GT6 for locations and far exceed it for variations. It's been a minute since GT7 got a new one, but it has definitely happened, several times.

What does "exempt SPEC 3" mean?
 
It’s how gaming has been going for nearly 10 years! Season passes, 4 hour MW campaigns.

Online costs. It’s the cable, Netflix of entertainment.

It’s just monetisation for huge investments in servers. There is nothing wrong with this just an adjustment.

Live service games with cloud storage and feeding live data in their game, honestly do you use your laptop offline?

Expectation management will be your friend. If you anchor yourself on what came before you will likely be disappointed my friend.

No, play the game you have there is no arm twisting. You want to watch 4K movies in 4K, buy a 4K TV

I’m really struggling to see your point now. Your argument isn’t an arguement it’s a rant and the same rant.

To be very very clear. You have a PS4 these things aren’t available to PS4.

If you go to the PlayStation apps store you will be able to see a lot of stuff that you can’t have.

What’s the problem other than raging they chose to design for the more modern hardware, bearing in mind it’s their game they make, market how the want?

🤷‍♂️

Honestly I think most people here probably complained about all of this and feel the same way you do. But that was 15-20 years ago dude. We are way beyond it. Many of these battles are pretty much lost. Paying to play online does suck but also servers cost money and the console manufacturers and software developers need money-- more money than ever, to keep going. Nothing is free. And that always online crap is stupid and mostly unnecessary except the console manufacturers want it. It's beneficial to them and some software devs I imagine. Unfortunately, all you can do is not buy the software or hardware in question.
Apparently I have been away from gaming communities too long and fail to understand the evolution gaming took while being offline.


PS : I don't have a laptop or a PC. Also social media never worked for me, I always seem to end up upsetting the community.

I will delete my account here and leave everyone at peace while I enjoy some old fashioned offline gaming.
 
Apparently I have been away from gaming communities too long and fail to understand the evolution gaming took while being offline.


PS : I don't have a laptop or a PC. Also social media never worked for me, I always seem to end up upsetting the community.

I will delete my account here and leave everyone at peace while I enjoy some old fashioned offline gaming.
That seems a little melodramatic. You've been playing a long time and this is the home for all the psycho GT fans. Definitely don't need to leave. Maybe just look at things from a different perspective. I also have a whole room of all my old consoles and games since I was a kid. The old stuff is great. But the new stuff can also be great in its own ways.

@jrbabbitt here is another older fellow and I think long time player of the series. Also a PS4 user and now has my old PS5 he's about to try it for the first time in a few days. Could be interesting hearing what he thinks.

Maybe it'll make you consider investing in a PS5 in the near future and continue hanging out with the community. You can join us in complaining about all the other things and watch as @Famine picks people off like flies.
 
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This thread has became one epic cry thread for the PS4 owners. I think those guys should just boycott anything Sony from now on, vote with your wallet and show them you guys are united and flat out refuse to upgrade, until they meet your demands and release everything on PS4.
 
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Apparently I have been away from gaming communities too long and fail to understand the evolution gaming took while being offline.


PS : I don't have a laptop or a PC. Also social media never worked for me, I always seem to end up upsetting the community.

I will delete my account here and leave everyone at peace while I enjoy some old fashioned offline gaming.
Don’t do that, your opinion is fine, just remember that your arguing opinion and probably missing a few facts here or there.

Personally as I said I just want online racing better however they do it.

I will buy and play the DLC and also do the remaining offline* races but FOR ME these are not the competition I enjoy even on hard difficulties but that’s ME, I have all the trophies, all the cars and the credits aren’t an issue FOR ME so my issues are localised to me.

I and most of the community understands the frustration however, in 2025 it’s a tiny bit off center to appreciate, connected gaming is the normal now (still annoying but) so the status quo was set a long time ago, to PDs credit they resisted for quite a while and you can tell this by the credit pricing vs effort value and the game , it’s just worth it more to play the game than pay.

Things aren’t hard, they just require effort and dedication and yeah feeling like you have to grind. But if you like racing and like cars, or like liveries or tuning or sports mode it’s not a grind….its a car driving game that rewards more and better driving.

When it comes to updates free or ADD ONS you can only do you mate, take that console offline and shun the paid stuff, fire up your old PS2/3 and enjoy that experience with all the modern day improvements.

Or just realise they don’t make a game specifically for you and that the game is what it is and life. Is what it is.
 
Well, as I stated a few days back as well, if these were additional GT Auto options, why is that not called out in Spec 3? Because it's a significant change to GT Auto, not impossible, but not trivial either. Although, some additions are easier than others. So....

...it would be much easier to simply offer a few cars with (player) unobtainable modifications. We've already covered the hero cars. The AE86 very obviously has wide tires, but it does not have the currently available wide body kit, and that combo is not available to players (at the moment). Why those cars? A likely explanation is that there are events that feature those cars.

This is the million dollar question, because the announcement video blurs the lines between the two. Sophy 3.0 is a great example. It's announced in the DLC, but it would be weird for the base game to miss out on that update.

The one possibility that we have not proposed is that the DLC updates the base game for those who buy it, that is totally possible. So, MAYBE, GT Auto gets an update if you buy the DLC. Maybe Sophy 3.0 is offered in custom races if you buy the DLC. We shall see.

Why would they do this??? IMHO, they'll launch GT8 for the 30th anniversary, which means December 2027. That would be almost six years from GT7 launch (Mar 2022 - Dec 2027). The DLC+Spec3 could be considered GT 7.5. The PS4 people have already been dropped for this DLC, and with PS4 support ending in Spring 2026, they may not see any updates past Spec 3.

All I know from those pics is that we currently cannot build those cars
And maybe PS4 may not see online service past 2026.
 
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Apparently I have been away from gaming communities too long and fail to understand the evolution gaming took while being offline.


PS : I don't have a laptop or a PC. Also social media never worked for me, I always seem to end up upsetting the community.

I will delete my account here and leave everyone at peace while I enjoy some old fashioned offline gaming.

And they say PD is dramatic lol
 
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Interestingly, when we wrote about the Sophy B-Spec demo last year, a lot of people responded that they didn't really care. Someone, I recall, asked on the forum if it was something people actually enjoyed...
It was what I used to complete the longer Endurance races in GT4 and to quickly gain Credits when I needed them and wasn't in the mood to repeat the DTM event several times. It was a useful tool at times, but I can't say I enjoyed it. I never completed more than a couple of events in the B-Spec career in GT5.
 
Apparently I have been away from gaming communities too long and fail to understand the evolution gaming took while being offline.


PS : I don't have a laptop or a PC. Also social media never worked for me, I always seem to end up upsetting the community.

I will delete my account here and leave everyone at peace while I enjoy some old fashioned offline gaming.
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There's just one misunderstanding, I don't question why PS5 gamers get more, I actually would agree that PS4 gamers just could have a basic version of the DLC - at discount to the full pack - while the PS5 gamers could be catered with the whole menu. It just feels really unfair because I also have invested, during my lifetime, a lot of money already in PD.
A game developer costs between $15000-$20000USD per man/per month (less in southeast Asia, more in southwestern USA). I've seen that PD supposedly employs 300 people. If we take the lower figure, to account for junior people, etc, that is a monthly burn rate of $4,500,000, or an annual burn rate of $54,000,000.

Since the DLC has 50 events, what you propose essentially means creating TWO DLC packs. One with Sophy, and one without. Both DLC packs will need time to put together the events and test them, and then double the testing time.

Where is the justification for a discount? You may say "it's still a good idea", well, keep reading...
Further I'd like to apologise for being this negative, or to bring frustration to this community, I do have unpopular opinions.

Also I'd like to argument that I am a passionate GT player (and livery editor) but I am getting very confused and frustrated about the evolution of the GT brand and gaming entirely.
I can help. At the moment, the margins in game dev are EXTREMELY low. The employment situation is best described as a blood bath. Seemingly every day, another studio closes, or another team is laid off. Adjusted for inflation, the hardware and software are both less expensive now than they were in decades past. In addition, the core market for games comes from younger males, who are both the most unemployed segment of society and also the most likely to become unemployed. Money is tight to say the least.

For example, Ubisoft has asked for trading to be halted (this is public information). They can spin that however they wish but it is HORRIBLE news. They may be in grave danger. This type of existential threat exist throughout the industry.

At the same time, gamers want everything given to them for free.
I need to be online to play offline?
This is the side effect of piracy. Why are they so worried about piracy? See my previous point.
I need to pay to play online?
You know how PSN offers free monthly games? Where does the money come from to offer those games for free? Again, scroll up. No game is cheap. I get every penny of value out of my PSN fee.
I get extra cars, I don't need nor want, for free?
So don't use them. There are millions of players, each with their wants. I want a BMW M1. Free is better, no? I've covered this in threads about the cars they add, I don't love them either, but again, they need money from every where. If a car maker wants to spend advertising dollars to get PD to pump out an SUV or something, it's a win for me because it's free. It's a win for PD because someone gave them money.
I don't get any new tracks or great tracks from previous versions exempt SPEC 3?
Is this a criticism of the Power Pack? 50 events, and (at least 3) new/modified cars. You really should play with Sophy 2.0 before criticizing the events. Go visit the custom race thread and see what Sophy can do.
I need to pay for pretty basic features?
They have created 50 Sophy events. That isn't a basic feature.

At the moment, we PS5 players have to make these events ourselves. Again, I suggest you check the custom race thread and acquaint yourself with the effort required.
I need to buy the latest console to be able to buy the DLC to get some basic features?
Again, you don't. No one is shutting down the PS4 version of the game. You are not required to do anything.

You keep repeating "basic feature" because you don't have the PS5. This is a preview of GT8, effectively turning the game into a GT 7.5.
Where are they going with this? And yet people just get it while I'm looking for logic.
You are playing on a console that was released 12 years ago. They want you playing on the current generation, not the last generation. You will need to upgrade eventually. You decide when that will be. "The logic" is that Sony would prefer you do it sooner rather than later.
 
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Since the DLC has 50 events, what you propose essentially means creating TWO DLC packs. One with Sophy, and one without. Both DLC packs will need time to put together the events and test them, and then double the testing time.
If you give me the tools to create career mode events in the game, I could create 50 races with them tested and balanced in less than a month. The events do not take long to create, I've created, tested and balanced more than 5 races in GT6 in a single night. You can get a feel for how to get the balancing close first try once you're familiar enough with what the settings mean, which tracks the AI is weaker on etc. Then it doesn't take too long to dial it in.

The longer the race, the more time testing will take, sure, with 24hr races, you'll want to test that properly at least once (though I would expect this can be simulated in the dev build once you've dialed the AI's pace in to where you want it to be) to ensure the AI cars are completing the race and there's no setting that's causing odd behaviors in that event (lights not coming on at night, cars not pitting in when the weather changes.need new tyres or fuel etc.)

This isn't a rant at "why not PS4", I get why they want to push the PS5. But making it available for the PS4 wouldn't have been that hard or time intensive. They already have the settings for the AI from the chill-races as a starting point, so they could have simply created 50 events akin to those races for race difficulty and AI.

Even with that, whether running this mode without Sophy 3.0 would make sense, we'll have to wait and see. Personally, I think this is all learning and development for GT8, so spending some time, any time, going backwards to PS4 probably just didn't get past any initial "why are we doing this" discussions. Just because it could have been done, and wouldn't have been hard to do, it probably doesn't fit whatever longer term plan they had when developing this mode. Again, time will tell.
 
If you give me the tools to create career mode events in the game, I could create 50 races with them tested and balanced in less than a month. The events do not take long to create, I've created, tested and balanced more than 5 races in GT6 in a single night. You can get a feel for how to get the balancing close first try once you're familiar enough with what the settings mean, which tracks the AI is weaker on etc. Then it doesn't take too long to dial it in.

The longer the race, the more time testing will take, sure, with 24hr races, you'll want to test that properly at least once (though I would expect this can be simulated in the dev build once you've dialed the AI's pace in to where you want it to be) to ensure the AI cars are completing the race and there's no setting that's causing odd behaviors in that event (lights not coming on at night, cars not pitting in when the weather changes.need new tyres or fuel etc.)

This isn't a rant at "why not PS4", I get why they want to push the PS5. But making it available for the PS4 wouldn't have been that hard or time intensive. They already have the settings for the AI from the chill-races as a starting point, so they could have simply created 50 events akin to those races for race difficulty and AI.

Even with that, whether running this mode without Sophy 3.0 would make sense, we'll have to wait and see. Personally, I think this is all learning and development for GT8, so spending some time, any time, going backwards to PS4 probably just didn't get past any initial "why are we doing this" discussions. Just because it could have been done, and wouldn't have been hard to do, it probably doesn't fit whatever longer term plan they had when developing this mode. Again, time will tell.
Can confirm. Assuming PD still uses the same event setup format as GT5/6, the events are very plug and play. I feel strongly about the fact that they could've done a power pack on PS4 with regular AI, and outside of wanting to phase out PS4 to prepare for a PS5/PS6 only GT6, but I don't really think that's fair.

I can see that it might be a Sony request to have no new DLC at this juncture release on PS4 for a first party game. In that case I can't blame PD. But if not, it's unfortunate, though to be honest? I can actually see a PS4 GT fan moving to PS5 for the power pack because it's a pack full of (hopefully) competitive single player racing.

If that is the case, it's just Sony/PD putting money over the ability to play it on more platforms.
 
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The question is whether these development costs are baked in with the price of the base game or if it's sold as a separate add-on.
Do you not understand that these are two completely different things, and that one is exactly what the issue is?

Like is GT8 comes, what do you expect to receive when you pay for it?
 
Can confirm. Assuming PD still uses the same event setup format as GT5/6, the events are very plug and play. I feel strongly about the fact that they could've done a power pack on PS4 with regular AI, and outside of wanting to phase out PS4 to prepare for a PS5/PS6 only GT6, but I don't really think that's fair.

I can see that it might be a Sony request to have no new DLC at this juncture release on PS4 for a first party game. In that case I can't blame PD. But if not, it's unfortunate, though to be honest? I can actually see a PS4 GT fan moving to PS5 for the power pack because it's a pack full of (hopefully) competitive single player racing.

If that is the case, it's just Sony/PD putting money over the ability to play it on more platforms.
Considering PS4's online services are gonna be sunset beginning in 2026 and with how much they'd want people on the current console on sale, I feel more then confident in my belief that this is very much a Sony thing. There surely comes a point where investing in a platform over 12 years old makes far less sense (and far less profit) then fully going all in with the current console.
 
If you give me the tools to create career mode events in the game, I could create 50 races with them tested and balanced in less than a month. The events do not take long to create, I've created, tested and balanced more than 5 races in GT6 in a single night. You can get a feel for how to get the balancing close first try once you're familiar enough with what the settings mean, which tracks the AI is weaker on etc. Then it doesn't take too long to dial it in.
50 in a month is a rate of 2 a day. A more reasonable time frame is 1 per day, to account for unforeseen circumstances (people get sick, hardware breaks, files become corrupted, etc). That all has to be taken into account for the regular length races.

Then you point out the real kicker...
The longer the race, the more time testing will take, sure, with 24hr races, you'll want to test that properly at least once (though I would expect this can be simulated in the dev build once you've dialed the AI's pace in to where you want it to be) to ensure the AI cars are completing the race and there's no setting that's causing odd behaviors in that event (lights not coming on at night, cars not pitting in when the weather changes.need new tyres or fuel etc.)
It will have to be played through a few times just to make sure. So, it's one game designer and maybe 3 testers. This is the answer to you next point...
This isn't a rant at "why not PS4", I get why they want to push the PS5. But making it available for the PS4 wouldn't have been that hard or time intensive. They already have the settings for the AI from the chill-races as a starting point, so they could have simply created 50 events akin to those races for race difficulty and AI.
Yes, it would not be THAT time intensive, but it's time none the less, and time is money. The investment of time has its internal repercussions, because those people could be put on some other task, possibly designing the GT 8 events, and you nail the issue in your last paragraph.
...going backwards to PS4 probably just didn't get past any initial "why are we doing this" discussions.
Bingo. There is the risk that the PS4 DLC keeps people from upgrading. Yes, PS4 folks think it's a win, but it's counter productive overall. As a matter of fact, given all the hate the base AI gets, would the PS4 people consider it a win at all? What does it showcase? Does it drive excitement for the franchise? Imagine a thread on this DLC where the PS4 people talk about how disappointed they are...would that motivate someone to upgrade?

"why are we doing this" indeed.
 
Do you not understand that these are two completely different things, and that one is exactly what the issue is?

Like is GT8 comes, what do you expect to receive when you pay for it?
I have no idea what you mean by any of that, no. I can take a guess, that perhaps you think that these features should have been in the game from the beginning, but since they weren't I have no idea where you'd go next with that train of thought.

Edit: Your reference to GT8 makes me think that you believe that since you expected GT7 to have these features, PD should now provide them for you free of charge, is that it?
 
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Now being offered as a DLC for PS5 only.
Honestly, behind all this debate, I still don't understand the problem with buying a PS5. If you play games, it sounds like a good investment, spending $500/€500 once every 5-6 years "And enjoy the best versions of the game "Without taking into PC".
I'm sure you spend much larger amounts on impulse purchases during this time.
Yes, there were problems at the start, but I pre-ordered it, waited a month, and a courier delivered it to me. Back when Sony was still officially operating in my country.
Then the PS5 PRO came out. My country was hit with a ton of sanctions, and Sony left. I bought the PRO for 62,985 Russian rubles, or $777.40. But I also sold the regular PS5digital. In the end, the PRO cost me about $240 "The exchange rate changed and I sold my PS5 for more than I bought it for".
I can still understand the complaints of Brazilians or RCA about prices with their salaries "Maybe I don't have much more" But to hear something like this from residents of European countries, and even from some US citizens, is strange to me.


I'm really looking forward to playing 1,500 hours of GT7. I hope it'll be around $20-25.
 
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