Gran Turismo 7 “Power Pack” Paid DLC Now Available: New Races Including Endurance Events, Qualifying, and “Sophy 3.0”

[Greycap]

Everything new made for the game costs money. Scanning cars, scanning tracks, everything needed to get them on the screen takes thousands of hours of work. And those guys doing it aren't cheap. Taking the often quoted half a year to model a car, that means approximately one thousand hours of work even on Western standards, at perhaps $50 an hour so one car is $50.000 and it's just the 3D model. Then it needs a physics model and a ton of testing to make sure it works exactly as desired. And that doesn't include licensing fees.

It's probably not far from the truth to say that getting one car in the game costs $100.000 and they're dropping a few of them every month with other additions. Every monthly update probably costs closer to half a million to make - and they need to get that money back somehow. Free updates are nice but in the end someone is paying for them and that someone isn't in the business for charity.

 

[SuperSportX]

Currently almost 2 hours into the Spa 8hr Enduro and the CLK-LM is starting to accumulate dirt/grime specs on the front and windshield.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Never thought about there being a sequential transmission.... sorry

I’d like to see someone else test it out. I’m at work till tomorrow and won’t be able to test it out myself for another day, and it’s going to eat me alive till I find out!! Of note, PD disables the use of the clutch in sport mode and TT’s, not to mention the Nissan Super Silouhette and McLaren F1 GTR are H-pattern cars irl, and IG while using VR.

Regardless, I dabbled with the update yesterday, and I’m still going to drive each car authentically - whether the clutch is activated or not. Looking forward to the GT500 races so I can heel-toe through the downshifts in a Supra or 99’ GTR!

 

[Mister_XFR]

I guess with the AE86 Levin D-Tuned the “D” stands for drift because it drives like dog s*** with anything other than racing tires. Sucks because it’s the main car I was looking forward to in the DLC… 😑

 

[Com Fox]

Finished the American Section and oh boy the confusions add up.

Once again the earliest one you do, the American Muscle Cars is the hardest. That Dodge Challenger just has a lot of top speed, you have to edge it out on corners. The Corvettes and Desert Cars are even easier than the GT500s in Japan while the Bump Drafting difficulty makes no sense. The Mustang should be the double chilli pepper, it has so little Bhp in Daytona and at Watkins Glen, carrying 800 Bhp and 1400KG is much harder than the Viper

 

[Seikenfreak]

Currently almost 2 hours into the Spa 8hr Enduro and the CLK-LM is starting to accumulate dirt/grime specs on the front and windshield.

Please remember to take a screenshot of the car at the end if you can, in race or the garage. Thanks!

 

[PaMu1337]

Currently almost 2 hours into the Spa 8hr Enduro and the CLK-LM is starting to accumulate dirt/grime specs on the front and windshield.

Can you confirm if there is anything like a mid-race save or any similar kind of function?

 

[SuperSportX]

Can you confirm if there is anything like a mid-race save or any similar kind of function?

There does not appear to be one

Please remember to take a screenshot of the car at the end if you can, in race or the garage. Thanks!

 

[Aphelion]

Surely, SURELY, if you turned your PS5 off mid endurance it'd boot straight back up to where you left off. SURELY.

 

[davi2877]

Sounds like you need to recalibrate your wheel setup again with the new 1.65 update...

I did the calibration and all other races the clutch works fine, I knew the the clutch didn't work in sport mode but I don't understand the reason why the clutch don't work in the power pack races, i found why there was a voice that tell me the laptimes, was my fault I turn on chat Transkription in ps5 settings.

 

[KAlex122]

There does not appear to be one

How is this possible? How can such a company oversee the need for a saving option?!

This is such an immensely stupid move that i, who was looking forward to getting even more out of a game i played for 2000 hours, am currently not just not buying the Power Pack but completely walking away from the game.

Not because i can't force my wife out of playing on our console for weeks just to finish one race but because i cannot grasp the pure stupidity of this move.

@Jordan @Famine i guess, critical, not pre-delivered questions are not a thing in the PD world. But do you think it would be possible to ask them at the next opportunity why they thought it's not important and if and when there's a chance to get such an option in game?

Thanks!

 

[omgitsbees]

There does not appear to be one

lol that is insane if you are made to complete the entire endurance race in one sitting. GT6 had a mid-save option for endurance races, and GT4 let you have the option of letting the AI take over for you.

Surely, SURELY, if you turned your PS5 off mid endurance it'd boot straight back up to where you left off. SURELY.

Considering career mode requires an always online connection, I would not count on this haha.

 

[Com Fox]

How is this possible? How can such a company oversee the need for a saving option?!

This is such an immensely stupid move that i, who was looking forward to getting even more out of a game i played for 2000 hours am currently not just not buying the Power Pack but completely walking away from the game.

Not because i can't force my wife out of playing on our console for weeks just to finish one race but because i cannot grasp the pure stupidity of this move.

@Jordan @Famine i guess, critical, not pre-delivered questions are not a thing in the PD world. But do you think it would be possible to ask them at the next opportunity why they thought it's not important and if and when there's a chance to get such an option in game?

Thanks!

Theres only 4 Endurances out of the 50 races and are completely optional.

You only need 900 Star Chips out of 1000 to get all the rewards and there's 920 up for grabs in the regular races.

I get the Endurances are a really stupid move and seems like PD forgot why people had a problem with them initially in GT5 but its strange that this is a make or break deal when I see more as just a really annoying inconvenience

 

[PaMu1337]

Surely, SURELY, if you turned your PS5 off mid endurance it'd boot straight back up to where you left off. SURELY.

Sure. But you wouldn't be able to play a different game in the meantime. You wouldn't be able to join a sport mode race in between. You wouldn't be able to do the weekly challenges. Etc.

Thinking about 24 hr races, that would realistically take me at least a week, probably closer to 2 weeks, to get through. And it would suck if I had to miss other things in the meantime.

 

[SuperSportX]

Surely, SURELY, if you turned your PS5 off mid endurance it'd boot straight back up to where you left off. SURELY.

I am about to find out as i'm about to head off and get some rest, I imagine it would though there's been rare times where my PS5 fails to connect after being on rest and i'm kicked too offline mode; which if that happens i'm not gonna do the event a second time anytime soon.

 

[Theufcveteran]

How is this possible? How can such a company oversee the need for a saving option?!

This is such an immensely stupid move that i, who was looking forward to getting even more out of a game i played for 2000 hours am currently not just not buying the Power Pack but completely walking away from the game.

Not because i can't force my wife out of playing on our console for weeks just to finish one race but because i cannot grasp the pure stupidity of this move.

@Jordan @Famine i guess, critical, not pre-delivered questions are not a thing in the PD world. But do you think it would be possible to ask them at the next opportunity why they thought it's not important and if and when there's a chance to get such an option in game?

Thanks!

I have a feeling one of three things may have happened here.

1: PD wanted to really commit to "real racing" and that includes no breaks (but in real life you have stints, so, at the very least, an ability to skip or significantly fast forward a teammate's stint should be there in that case)

2: PD couldn't implement the save feature or driving in stints feature so they left it out hoping the "real racing" branding would "cover" it, so to speak.

3: PD thinks it's okay because you can put your console into rest mode. I think this is an okay solution but the issue is, you can't play anything else. Say you get an hour or two a day to play. That's 12 or 24 days of only playing GT7.

They should patch in a save. They had it in GT5 (but only with an update).

 

[Voodoovaj]

Using your logic, the radar, rain gauge and track layout UI elements are completely useless too. Just because you don't want to use something doesn't make it useless.

NO, the rain, radar, etc are showing you dynamic things that are constantly changing in a race.

Your tire temps are not. For instance, the water depth tells you if you need to change your tires. Tire temps are slightly cool when leaving the pits, then you are good to go and you never need to think about it again.

 

[05XR8]

Theres only 4 Endurances out of the 50 races and are completely optional.

You only need 900 Star Chips out of 1000 to get all the rewards and there's 920 up for grabs in the regular races.

I get the Endurances are a really stupid move and seems like PD forgot why people had a problem with them initially in GT5 but its strange that this is a make or break deal when I see more as just a really annoying inconvenience

Kaz did say he wanted to do it at least once. I guess it’ll just be there as long as the servers stay active.

 

[Seikenfreak]

Surely, SURELY, if you turned your PS5 off mid endurance it'd boot straight back up to where you left off. SURELY.

Better hope you don't have a power outage I have them here almost all the time. Just randomly on a sunny, fall morning it went out for an hour.

I didn't expect to do the endurance races, but I definitely won't even consider it without like a way to save a race, then able to access other parts of the game after I get bored of driving around for hour(s), and then come back to that race later and continue. Or B-Spec mode where you can run it like an idle game in the background I guess. Not exactly super exciting to me.

 

[Voodoovaj]

FYI - I just confirmed that the DLC cars can be used for Sophy custom races. I did it with the GT Tuned Skyline, so I expect the rest will also work

Sorry, false alarm. The DLC cars only work in the Sophy custom race if you use the missing car bug (load a file with cars that we sold). Then, while using a DLC car, the game will replace the missing cars with the DLC car. I grabbed a post race screen shot to show that they do actually work, even though the game says otherwise.

 

[Dave A]

Everything new made for the game costs money. Scanning cars, scanning tracks, everything needed to get them on the screen takes thousands of hours of work. And those guys doing it aren't cheap. Taking the often quoted half a year to model a car, that means approximately one thousand hours of work even on Western standards, at perhaps $50 an hour so one car is $50.000 and it's just the 3D model. Then it needs a physics model and a ton of testing to make sure it works exactly as desired. And that doesn't include licensing fees.

It's probably not far from the truth to say that getting one car in the game costs $100.000 and they're dropping a few of them every month with other additions. Every monthly update probably costs closer to half a million to make - and they need to get that money back somehow. Free updates are nice but in the end someone is paying for them and that someone isn't in the business for charity.

I've always taken the half a year to model a car to encompass everything involved in getting the car into the game. But this is possibly a contributing factor into why Polyphony outsource some of their car modelling as I bet it's much cheaper.

 

[pabloprp69]

There is absolutely no way people can defend the "suspend" feature to make up for the lack of saving.

Power outages, inability to play other games, not to mention that lots of time the thing just doesn't work and when you resume your system, the game is closed. This "workaround" is not okay.

 

[Gerarghini]

Yeah, there is no defending PD for this one.

Sure, it's better than leaving your PS2 on all day (for days at a time), but you could theoretically cut the required time down to 8 hours for any 24-hour event using B-Spec. Here, you're SOL.

For someone like myself who doesn't use the PS5 for anything BUT GT7, this ain't that big a deal, but PD is asking for some serious time commitments from those who play other games on their console.

I know there's no sense in making sense of the decisions (or lack thereof) that PD make, but come on; GT5 had a suspend feature. Even if GT7's debug "B-Spec" was nothing more than auto-drive, that's still preferable to completing a 24-hour race over the course of several days and/or weeks. Baffling gameplay decisions.

 

[Sum1s2pid]

Power Pack is pretty fun. I look forward to collecting the "new" cars. The offroad Beetle and 911 look awesome.

 

[Nebuc72]

NO, the rain, radar, etc are showing you dynamic things that are constantly changing in a race.

Your tire temps are not. For instance, the water depth tells you if you need to change your tires. Tire temps are slightly cool when leaving the pits, then you are good to go and you never need to think about it again.

That is genuinely not true though, heat is constantly taken into account and tyre temperatures matter beyond when it's showing a red outline - that's just when they're actively being cooked. The telemtry is there for all of this, it's just not shown in the game natively.

You can push them plenty hard without them ever showing red on the HUD, and doing so will decrease grip a fair amount and accelerate tyre wear quite significantly.
It can very much matter. Maybe not in most of these races, but in the endurances it certainly will impact a stint.

 

[Talon16]

Dear Sarah: Please go away. THanks.

 

[Miroku]

From what I'm seeing...this is no ways worth $40.00CDN + tax....that's ridiculous.
I still haven't purchased Onimusha 2 which I want to play which is the same price for a FULL GAME!

This however? Way overblown in price and seems to be pointed more towards the hardcore crowd with there steering wheel setups and the guys who destroy you when you play online.

For this price, I expect added tracks and cars.

 

[elston87]

How is this possible? How can such a company oversee the need for a saving option?!

This is such an immensely stupid move that i, who was looking forward to getting even more out of a game i played for 2000 hours am currently not just not buying the Power Pack but completely walking away from the game.

Not because i can't force my wife out of playing on our console for weeks just to finish one race but because i cannot grasp the pure stupidity of this move.

@Jordan @Famine i guess, critical, not pre-delivered questions are not a thing in the PD world. But do you think it would be possible to ask them at the next opportunity why they thought it's not important and if and when there's a chance to get such an option in game?

Thanks!

I wouldn't say that they haven't thought about it, but how they would implement it without things in the game breaking, which is probably easier said than done.

If I remember right, Gran Turismo 6 had a "Suspend Race" feature that, the moment you entered the pits and selected it, the game would pause the race and save the current state of the game as-is, remembering the exact coordinates of each car on the track, what position they were in and what lap they were on. I also remember it being quite buggy, cars not being placed where they should, the AI auto-drive going out of sync and not knowing what to do at times, control not being restored to the player, incorrect lap count and so on.

All of that being said, I don't think it ever ended up being used. Perhaps that's why they didn't implement events that were longer than 30 minutes in GT6. In the older games, you had to do it all in one go, but they did have a somewhat working Suspend feature in GT6. Maybe they're still working on it? Or maybe they're relying on players to put their consoles in Rest Mode instead? 🤔

 

[05XR8]

From what I'm seeing...this is no ways worth $40.00CDN + tax....that's ridiculous.
I still haven't purchased Onimusha 2 which I want to play which is the same price for a FULL GAME!

This however? Way overblown in price and seems to be pointed more towards the hardcore crowd with there steering wheel setups and the guys who destroy you when you play online.

For this price, I expect added tracks and cars.

So, PD should have swapped the updates.

 

[KAlex122]

Theres only 4 Endurances out of the 50 races and are completely optional.

You only need 900 Star Chips out of 1000 to get all the rewards and there's 920 up for grabs in the regular races.

I get the Endurances are a really stupid move and seems like PD forgot why people had a problem with them initially in GT5 but its strange that this is a make or break deal when I see more as just a really annoying inconvenience

I WANT to do the races. I don't care for the rewards.

PD made it so i can't do the races. I have a job and a family which means a) it will take a while to finish such a race and b) I'm not the only one using the console, so the suspend mode doesn't help at all.

Come on, people. I can't be the only one with this pretty standard lifestyle.

The way they went for here is so not ok.