Gran Turismo 7's Next Update is Coming September 28, Adds Three New Cars

[RandomCarGuy17]

I’d rather have fun races than races that pay well.

I wouldn't have to pick one over the other if it would take a million years to get cars I want.

The joy of driving and experiencing automobiles in previous GT games were paramount. Races in GT7, need a bit more of that flavour. GT Sport had a bit of that, even without variable weather.

That's the thing, the races in GT7's single player as a hole needed to be more fun like the old GTs, but they're really not.

 

[05XR8]

I wouldn't have to pick one over the other if it would take a million years to get cars I want.

I guess that’s another thing for the varying wants and needs of different players. Cars I want, in GT7, aren’t at all expensive.
My garage right now.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

I guess that’s another thing for the varying wants and needs of different players. Cars I want, in GT7, aren’t at all expensive.
My garage right now.

Yes, which is why I'm still mad at the economy in GT7. Some of the cars I was looking forward to driving in were 60s race cars, 90s GT1 cars, plus the Porsche 917k. I have grinded for those exactly, but god it was so boooring in doing so. I tried changing the cars I would drive in certain events to spice things up, but it still became a grind. It's also why I would get aggravated when making a mistake that would cause me to start over again like missing a pit entry; that's 30 minutes of time wasted and now I have to start again. That coupled with the limited time to get the more expensive cars made things horrible.

Oh absolutely. Don’t get me wrong, I would absolutely LOVE if there was a 1 hour event that paid 1.5 million at every course like we have for Spa or else an event similar to Sardegna 800 then I would probably be able to grind even more LMAO!

That's another thing, it would no longer be a grind then if there were plenty of different races that offered those payouts. Because it would be fine variety that would help in affording the more expensive cars.

I never do the same race with the same car twice in a row and I’ve got over 200 favorited cars that are all either tuned for the grind races or else maxed out for the Hypercar Parade races.

I still did some of those things and got bored...

So I guess it’s more like I love the game and I tolerate grinding extremely well lol.

Well more power to you I guess, your insanity is your strength here.

 

[x__myst69__x]

Yes, which is why I'm still mad at the economy in GT7. Some of the cars I was looking forward to in playing were 60s race cars plus the Porsche 917k. I have grinded for those exactly, but god it was so boooring in doing so. I tried changing the cars I would drive in certain events to spice things up, but it still became a grind. It's also why I would get aggravated when making a mistake that would cause me to start over again like missing a pit entry; that's 30 minutes of time wasted and now I have to start again. That coupled with the limited time to get the more expensive cars made things horrible.

That's another thing, it would no longer be a grind then if there were plenty of different races that offered those payouts. Because it would be fine variety that would help in affording the more expensive cars.


I still did some of those things and got bored...


Well more power to you I guess, your insanity is your strength here.

the 917k and the road macf1 are 2 cars i sadly wont own in gt7. I did the Tomahawk VGT thing to get most of the cars i wanted and one 20mill unicorn - the shelby daytona, but i cannot justify the time it would take to grind out for the porsche and mclaren, nor how boring it would be when limited to two or three tracks to get it done... As you said, if all tracks had a 2-3mill per hour race then you could use different car track combos to get the cash and it becomes "hello fun, goodbye grind" but sadly, we have been ignored since the post launch debacle where they cut all prize monies and then gave a couple back.... this latest doubling of the ferrari price is just pure nasty... I think something that PD/Kaz don't realise or care to realise is that locking content behind a false economy does not make players desperate enough to fork over real money, it just makes them go get their fix elsewhere. Fortunately, I was/am able to enjoy my 917k and road MacF1 experience in AC, Rfactor2, AM2 and R3E on my home setups... so I didn't miss out on driving the cars! The only one who misses out here is Kaz, on having me enjoy, appreciate and marvel at the work his creators did to articulate those car models in his 7th Gen of GT. And I am certain he cares not one poomteenth of an atom!

 

[BradleyLove]

Just make the endurance missions pay out every time. I’d really fancy a crack using (where possible) different cars and strategies. That’d be an immediate jump in the amount of decent content available. As it is, once beat they’re pointless events.

 

[suomi1]

Just make the endurance missions pay out every time. I’d really fancy a crack using (where possible) different cars and strategies. That’d be an immediate jump in the amount of decent content available. As it is, once beat they’re pointless events.

That would still be the poorest way to introduce endurance races.

 

[P-Courty]

Just make the endurance missions pay out every time. I’d really fancy a crack using (where possible) different cars and strategies. That’d be an immediate jump in the amount of decent content available. As it is, once beat they’re pointless events.

Roulette gift cars wouldn't be too bad from the tournaments each time, like the old Gran Turismos did.

 

[smoothbore12]

Just make the endurance missions pay out every time. I’d really fancy a crack using (where possible) different cars and strategies. That’d be an immediate jump in the amount of decent content available. As it is, once beat they’re pointless events.

I don't see that happening ever .
Seems that there's no interest on that part of the game from PD view.
Many players are playing these races again but the only thing you can gain is the silly ( as it is ) ticket from daily workout.
Also i don't see new " endurance " races at least in the short future.
The game is in a repeatable and recycling mode through the monthly updates with some new cars that usually are " forgotten " after the next update.
New cars and according to the latest " fashion " some new swaps every time to make the credits flow .

 

[BertoBerto]

Service game? With no season pass and paid items, feature? They are not getting a cent from all this extra work. So, dlc are coming like it was for gtsport? Or they need to monetise somehow.

If you don’t understand that they are clearly making money from Honda to promote these new time trials you’re very naive.

Why do you think they asked you all of those questions before you could enter? For your health?

These automakers understand there is great financial gain from crowd sourcing from car enthusiasts, as it translates to real world dollars. Most people didn’t know a much about Asian sports cars until Gran Turismo introduced them to the world.

Impressionable young people ended up wanting a lot of those cars once they had the means.

Look at all the sponsors, Michelin, Fanatec. They are raking in money from these companies to be official partners.

Jeez.

 

[05XR8]

Say, what was the large update file size about? Pike’s Peak, maybe?

 

[mr_pepps]

I think there's an early Christmas present in that update. It was chunky.
So, along with many other players I too would like to be able to acquire credits without having to commit so much time to the game.
I'm a bit older than many on here with a couple of children and a full time day job, so playing Gran Turismo all weekend is not an option for me.

However, being familiar with all the GT iterations I'm less anxious for new racing cars and find the drip feed of road cars ok. I spend most of my GT time driving Porsches on the many and various tracks ingame. Porsche in GT is the best thing ever for me, so I'm generally happy. Apart from not being able to afford the vintage Porsches and other classics.
And I missed my chance to buy a Carrera GT 🙁
Gawd knows when another invitation will come around......

 

[BertoBerto]

I think there's an early Christmas present in that update. It was chunky.
So, along with many other players I too would like to be able to acquire credits without having to commit so much time to the game.
I'm a bit older than many on here with a couple of children and a full time day job, so playing Gran Turismo all weekend is not an option for me.

However, being familiar with all the GT iterations I'm less anxious for new racing cars and find the drip feed of road cars ok. I spend most of my GT time driving Porsches on the many and various tracks ingame. Porsche in GT is the best thing ever for me, so I'm generally happy. Apart from not being able to afford the vintage Porsches and other classics.
And I missed my chance to buy a Carrera GT 🙁
Gawd knows when another invitation will come around......

Porsche seems to be the only invitation I get!!

Still waiting on the Ferrari, invite. It’s as if I am living in the real world, and Ferrari doesn’t want me to buy their cars brand new :/

 

[p78]

I'll trade you my Carrera GT invite for the Bugatti one.

Oh wait that's a previous itteration of this game.

 

[Revengel]

Gaming is not - and never will be - a "job". Don't normalise the casual use of work. If PD want you to work, they need to employ you

While others have stated the varied definition of the word "work" as used in other areas, I'll try to remember to use the term "effort" instead if you prefer.

It's hours on end doing the same old race, nothing fun can be had from that.

For you. Me? I love doing things like this! One of my current favorite things to do at the end of the evening is take the BMW Z8 to Deep Forest at dawn in VR. Going through the last tunnel still gives me goosebumps with the way the lights reflect off the interior of the convertible.

Oh, and I don't get a single credit for this time trial. I do it for the enjoyment of the experience.

I get to drive my favorite fast cars in VR with my Fanatec GT DD Pro and I get more awesome cars as a result, so count me in! I seriously look forward to getting home and grinding for hours every night. I wouldn’t have 1.3 million collector points otherwise. I would offer to grind for other players for a dollar per million credits if it wasn’t against Sony TOS lol.

I have no idea how many collector points I have but I'm in the same boat!

On many of these issues I feel there is a "game generation" gap. Those who often point back to GT4 may prefer that - it's your prerogative - but remember you couldn't get new cars in that one.


The biggest takeaway is this:


Games are all about expectations.

Personally, I expected to be challenged. I am and have been. I'm fine with the payouts; this works for me. I have a ton of options not only to earn credits (which is not my primary goal) but to enjoy the cars within the game.

Others feel differently. And that's ok.

 

[TumeK5]

@Revengel I noticed that there are mostly two kinds of people playing GT7: those who complain how much you have to grind just to get all cars, and then those who just enjoy playing the game.

I place somewhere in-between, having bought all cars, didn't necessarily enjoy the grind 🤣 Really wish they would add more races with the best payout. It's just a bit repetitive, is all. The only way to make it not-so-stale is to do the race with a different car, which is what I did. I have plenty of cars tuned to the 600PP Tokyo race.

 

[mr_pepps]

I'll trade you my Carrera GT invite for the Bugatti one.

Oh wait that's a previous itteration of this game.

I just bought a Veyron after receiving the Bugatti invitation.
It's very realistically heavy to drive - slow in and fast out - understeer a'plenty.

I logged in today at lunchtime to score the daily marathon ticket.
Porsche invitation appeared!!!!!!!

I didn't get it. Just a cam shaft for a Viper instead 😑

Maybe it means it's coming soon 😄

 

[MoLiEG]

That would still be the poorest way to introduce endurance races.

I would still take that instead of not having absolutely anything.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

For you. Me? I love doing things like this! One of my current favorite things to do at the end of the evening is take the BMW Z8 to Deep Forest at dawn in VR. Going through the last tunnel still gives me goosebumps with the way the lights reflect off the interior of the convertible.

Oh, and I don't get a single credit for this time trial. I do it for the enjoyment of the experience.

and I am happy you find enjoyment in that. I can enjoy just doing laps around a track in a car aswell, but that's not the same thing that I'm talking about here. I'm talking about how there's only 3-4 races to efficiently earn money properly for the absurdly expensive cars in the game, the races aren't even the most engaging with the nature of the A.I. There are actual events in the game that have better A.I. and can provide more fun racing, but I can't be bothered to engage with those as I essentially have to focus most of my time saving up money for the absurdly expensive Ferrari 250 GTO or something like that.

It isn't fun to me, it's a boring slog based on repetition.

 

[Revengel]

and I am happy you find enjoyment in that. I can enjoy just doing laps around a track in a car aswell, about how there's only 3-4 races to efficiently earn money properlybut that's not the same thing that I'm talking about here. I'm talking for the absurdly expensive cars in the game, the races aren't even the most engaging with the nature of the A.I. and I would love to enjoy more races than that, but then there's that pressure of having to save up money now or I'll miss my opportunity of getting a car I want. and then have to wait weeks, sometimes even months to get the car again.

I can't see fun in that at all.

I was referring to a gaming generational divide and this highlights what I'm talking about. Where you feel the pressure of saving credits - and let me be clear I keep an eye on my credits as well - I don't feel compelled to do this. I feel zero pressure.

If I get 20 million credits to buy X car, I will. If I see something at the UCD or Haggerty's I have to have then I'll do a race or two if I'm close to that total.

Otherwise, it falls largely by the wayside. I think I have 75% of the cars in the game but I really don't know.

If people do, then it shows a problem in Polyphony Digital only catering to a crowd of people that enjoy repetition rather than the audience that craves variety.

Or perhaps it shows there exists a vocal group who craves one thing vs. a not as vocal group that enjoys the other.

To be more precise: there will never be "enough" credits out there for everyone. Someone - many I would imagine - would be upset if all the 20 million credit cars were reduced to 5 million without a change in pay; some individuals don't want to put forth the effort. If everything were free and unlocked from the start of the game, people would play for a month then move onto the next game . . . with a select bunch staying on afterwards.

Gran Turismo began with the license tests; I remember trying (and failing) those so often in my room that my roommates became familiar with the opening to Oxyacetylene (full disclosure - I was a fan of the artist before Gran Turismo.) The cars I chase the most come from getting all golds in these tests/missions. Haggerty has gotten steady cash from me, but only for the cars I actually want.

There are a pair of 20 million credit vehicles I want that I don't yet own. One is the SL Gullwing and the other is the Shelby Daytona. I'm not really pressed over the Shelby, if I'm honest. The Gullwing is worth it for me. The Valkarie is not to me worth it even though it costs much less.



Either way I choose to focus on becoming a better driver. That has increased my fun (and my payout) as I've progressed. I consider it a Win/Win situation.

Hopefully you can find a Win/Win scenario for your gameplay.

p.s. you mentioned the A.I. in Gran Turismo. Did you race Sophy? Curious if you think a full-time Sophy would address that issue?

 

[coryclifford]

It isn't fun to me, it's a boring slog based on repetition.

Sounds like my last job for 20 years. I quit finally. Hah.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

I was referring to a gaming generational divide and this highlights what I'm talking about. Where you feel the pressure of saving credits - and let me be clear I keep an eye on my credits as well - I don't feel compelled to do this. I feel zero pressure.

Yeah, I figured you felt no pressure already based on your previous posts. With that said, your feelings about the game versus mine (and probably others). I don't think it's a generational divide, it's more of a group of preferences on what someone looks in a game.

Or perhaps it shows there exists a vocal group who craves one thing vs. a not as vocal group that enjoys the other.

Don't necessarily agree with that based on how the general audience likely feels about GT, but okay.

To be more precise: there will never be "enough" credits out there for everyone. Someone - many I would imagine - would be upset if all the 20 million credit cars were reduced to 5 million without a change in pay;

I find that hard to believe, a 5 million credit cap sounds like a nice, happy medium between the absurd prices for "realism" we have now and how absurdly easy it is to unlock cars in games like the newer Forza Horizons.

As someone said in a previous post either in this thread or in the main discussion thread for GT7, putting a credit cap would make it so saving up for cars only takes a few hours each instead of a lot of hours. Which means more time to spend enjoying that car and using it for different events.

some individuals don't want to put forth the effort. If everything were free and unlocked from the start of the game, people would play for a month then move onto the next game . . . with a select bunch staying on afterwards.

Wait a minute, are you saying because I and other players don't want to grind 20 million credits for a car, that I instead want it for free at the start?

Either way I choose to focus on becoming a better driver. That has increased my fun (and my payout) as I've progressed. I consider it a Win/Win situation.

Hopefully you can find a Win/Win scenario for your gameplay.

I have gotten to a point where I have most of the cars I wanted in GT7, so I can safely enjoy the game at a better pace. So yes, I can find my own way to have fun.

However, just because I have been able to do that does NOT mean I won't criticize the process in getting there. I'm sorry, but there's nothing in my head that justifies the economy system that GT7 have in place. You can enjoy it this way, but that doesn't make it good.

p.s. you mentioned the A.I. in Gran Turismo. Did you race Sophy? Curious if you think a full-time Sophy would address that issue?

Something like sophy being implemented in the full game could definitely fix the A.I. issue if done right. There has been issues players have found with sophy that need to be worked on. However, they don't even need to do that to make GT7's career more engaging as they already had some good A.I. The 3-5 pepper A.I. events! But they for some reason feel the need to confine them to only a few races in GT Cafe mode instead of including them in every event plus custom race mode.

 

[Revengel]

Wait a minute, are you saying because I and other players don't want to grind 20 million credits for a car, that I instead want it for free at the start?

Was not my intention; didn't wish to implicate you as an individual.

There are still those out there who believe everything should be unlocked when you purchase the game aka "I paid $XX.xx so everything I paid for should be available" and that is what I was referring to.

You can enjoy it this way, but that doesn't make it good.

Just because you don't enjoy it this way doesn't make it bad, either.


To each their own.

 

[Dave A]

Yeah, I figured you felt no pressure already based on your previous posts. With that said, your feelings about the game versus mine (and probably others). I don't think it's a generational divide, it's more of a group of preferences on what someone looks in a game.


Don't necessarily agree with that based on how the general audience likely feels about GT, but okay.


I find that hard to believe, a 5 million credit cap sounds like a nice, happy medium between the absurd prices for "realism" we have now and how absurdly easy it is to unlock cars in games like the newer Forza Horizons.

As someone said in a previous post either in this thread or in the main discussion thread for GT7, putting a credit cap would make it so saving up for cars only takes a few hours each instead of a lot of hours. Which means more time to spend enjoying that car and using it for different events.

Wait a minute, are you saying because I and other players don't want to grind 20 million credits for a car, that I instead want it for free at the start?


I have gotten to a point where I have most of the cars I wanted in GT7, so I can safely enjoy the game at a better pace. So yes, I can find my own way to have fun.

However, just because I have been able to do that does NOT mean I won't criticize the process in getting there. I'm sorry, but there's nothing in my head that justifies the economy system that GT7 have in place. You can enjoy it this way, but that doesn't make it good.

Something like sophy being implemented in the full game could definitely fix the A.I. issue if done right. There has been issues players have found with sophy that need to be worked on. However, they don't even need to do that to make GT7's career more engaging as they already had some good A.I. The 3-5 pepper A.I. events! But they for some reason feel the need to confine them to only a few races in GT Cafe mode instead of including them in every event plus custom race mode.

I agree with pretty much all of this.

One thing I would ask to those people who just enjoy "driving a car on a track", would having a more balanced economy that didn't require such a grind ruin your enjoyment?

I also enjoy driving a car on a track, but if that's all I want to do, there are better games than GT7 for me to do that. GT offers something 99% of other games don't. Or at least, it used to. And that was an indepth career mode where you could tune cars, build them up into racing cars and enjoy a wide varity of races and events.

GT7 sadly, is awful in that regard. Even the events it does have aren't fun races. Yes, you can enjoy the feeling of just driving the car, but the actual racing, outside of the small number of chilli events, is dire. Of course, people can agree to disagree, but there is a serious lack of entertaining races and the economy makes grinding what is there even more of a problem IMO.

There should be a journey of progressing from cheap cars to powerful expensive ones, but it shouldn't be this tedious, the journey that is, not the driving.

Time isn't free, some people will have far more of it than others, there is as far as I can see, no tangiable benefit to how stingy the car prices are in GT7. Sure, you can have more fun just focusing on other things than grinding, this is true, but how would reducing those prices and creating more interesting events and races be a negative impact?

I think some people are just stuck in a rut of "well I enjoy the game" or "but I dislike the game" and the actual issues raised sometimes get sidelined for more shallow points.

 

[Def-Infinity]

Was not my intention; didn't wish to implicate you as an individual.

There are still those out there who believe everything should be unlocked when you purchase the game aka "I paid $XX.xx so everything I paid for should be available" and that is what I was referring to.

Just because you don't enjoy it this way doesn't make it bad, either.


To each their own.

Had the exact same opinion as you when the game first released.

One of the problems with GT7 is that the process for earning the credits for high-roller legends cars doesn’t feel organic. The progression of the career mode (menus, missions, world circuits, etc.) ends before the player can gain enough credits to buy the legends cars that they want.

Adding more events is an obvious solution, but also adding new event types (for unique cars that may not provide the best normal racing experience) and readjusting payouts to reflect the difficulty of obtaining one of the required/intended cars can be just as effective. GT partially does that with missions/music rally but frustratingly only half-commits by keeping it only there, rather than making them repeatable with decent credit payouts (drifting, drag racing, etc)

It would at least help the grind feel less ridiculous.

 

[sswishbone]

Or how about simply remove the grind? Been streaming GT4 of late, maximum cost I've seen is 2,000,000 credits.

With some races here, that's a little low. However, if it was 4-5 million, Tokyo at 28 mins a race = 2-2.5 hours for the top rare cars... surely that's good middle ground?

edit to add - I agree with more events, sadly when I've pointed this out, everyone goes on about custom races rather than correctly point PD in the direction of their job

 

[Techlet]

edit to add - I agree with more events, sadly when I've pointed this out, everyone goes on about custom races rather than correctly point PD in the direction of their job

Or scale the custom race payout to the point where it becomes a viable alternative and not a complete waste of time when there's still cars in the FOMO shop to grind for.

 

[OldandSlow]

I‘m not a fan of FF cars, but I think PD changed up the handling characteristics on them. The Civic is especially good, the Mazda is fine, and the SEMA hot rod is ok. I bought all three of them.

The only thing that’s irritating is the clown horn on the Civic RL5. You barely notice it at the ‘Ring, but it’s brutal at LeMans. The car is great, very tossable.

 

[05XR8]

I agree it's bad. Thing is, those of us(scratch that)... me, choosing to accept it and move on, doesn't mean I'm closing my eyes to the problems of this game.

I'm sure we've read about how PD follow GTplanet. Some members laugh when someone wants start a petition. Then, some say PD won't listen. Even I say Kaz will do what he wants. It's his game.

If Sony are contacted directly by GTplanet members,will things change? I don't know. Some of the players that bail, are they still trying to contact PD for things to change?

Again, those of us still playing, aren't dismissing the issues, we're simply choosing to continue playing.

 

[ScottPuss20]

"So, you don't want to shell out real money to acquire the expensive cars you want? Prepare to suffer!"

 

[Giz WCR-666]

I never understand why people have to announce they are leaving,the thing is,theres room for both games,if you are able to play them.Ive pre ordered FM but still play GT and will continue to.

it reminds me of an old FB group..
“this is not an airport, no need to announce your departure” 👋🏼 😂