GT6: GT3 vs. Super GT500 vs. Super GT300

[trustjab]

Really? I am sure its around that it only differs for the heavier cars and what not, but they are roughly producing that figure.

Since when did they change.

Also there is more GT300 cars on the game then GT3s but if you combine them all into one class you will have very large grids.

The GT300 cars make a lot more downforce than GT3's. They also weigh a good deal less. The SLS AMG GT3 is ~1300kg with 500hp. The BRZ GT300 is about 1100kg with ~350-400hp. They don't need much power because their huge downforce advantage. The cornering speeds aren't a lot higher, but there is a gap. They suffer at tracks with longer straights on the top speed, but the CR-Z goes well with a bigger restrictor running 1200kg. Its in the regulations you can run lighter weight and smaller air restrictors or heavier with bigger restrictors. Plus the CR-Z has good power from its hybrid. JAF (Japanese cars) GT300 and GT500 cars also run softer tire compounds. Good read here- http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23799. It confirms that SuperGT cars have extremely grippy tires as evidenced by the gain in time on the MC12 at Vallelunga. 2.8 seconds faster than its FIA GT Pirelli's on SuperGT rubber and the full width rear wing. Hopefully PD got the tire model right, because SuperGT is definitely not running on "sports mediums" like someone here mentioned.

 

[mustafur]

16 players
4 GT3
4 GT 300
4 tuned sport cars like Elise or Z4
4 Historic Race cars like the R8 Gordini

On Brands Hatch

= Iam in Love

Ps: are you guys sure that GT300 are same fast like GT3?? I dont think so. Some weeks ago i saw a 1.5 hour long video on youtube. It was a Super GT Race on Fuji with GT 500 GT 300 and GT3 cars.

The camera switched to the GT 300 class because there was a fight going on and then in the background you could see the GT 3 cars. After 1-2 laps they caught up and overtook the GT 300 cars. ( if i dont remember wrong)

Those GT3 cars are in the GT300 class, its likely those were front runner GT300 cars.

 

[trustjab]

Those GT3 cars are in the GT300 class, its likely those were front runner GT300 cars.

The BMW Z4 won the drivers championship in 2012. But the current GT300's are a good deal faster than a few years ago. The brand new cars are allowed a little more power so they aren't left in the dust by GT3's. But they still only produce around 400hp. If they had any more power they'd be too close to the GT500 cars.

 

[super_gt]

Super GT5OO great cars.

 

[sk8er913]

GT3 dominated...

 

[Valkyr1313]

Now I have my Subaru BRZ GT300...

 

[nickg07]

GT500 for me. It has the biggest variety of similar performance vehicles in awesome liveries for fun close racing. For me that is the pinnacle on GT. I alao enjoy GT300 and DTM.

 

[wejhvabewjty]

JGTC or Super GT cars ar not as known as GT3 cars I think. But let see what happens

 

[trustjab]

Looking forward to all these cars, but I follow GT500/GT300 officially. GT3's are just a class not a series like the other 2. Hopefully PD got the GT500's and GT300's right in downforce. The GT500's should be faster than any GT car in the game as irl. And GT300 should be close to GT3. Should be interesting to see.

 

[05XR8]

Especially watching the videos. They corner like right now!. None of this sliding stuff.

 

[jacnob]

I chose the secret option "I prefer to race street cars"

 

[Zuel]

I prefer GT3 class do to the production car linage, GT500 and 300 was once there but they'll have formed more into DTM which are great,I'm looking forward to driving them. As for comparing them to each other in GT6, is something I'll think about.

 

[smsdry]

Why don't they have the MP4-12C GT3 car though? I love the R8 LMS but I was looking forward to the McLaren as well

 

[mustafur]

Yeah Super GT downforce in Gran Turismo is completely wrong, using the model they have the GT500s should be running 70/85 and GT300s 50/70.

There is no way a GT3 car could touch them, the fact the R8 LMS in GT5 has the same DF Level as all the Premium GT500s proves how wrong it is.

 

[trustjab]

The lmp1 cars should be making as much or more downforce than the Ferrari F1 cars in game as well. They produce in excess of 4000lbs. Theyre slower than F1 because they're 200-300kg heavier and have 600hp vs. 750-800hp in F1. Maybe the cfd can replicate close to the real world values they have.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I generally do most of my racing in production cars but am very fond of the DTM cars as well as all the GT classes.

 

[Zuel]

With the new aerodynamic algorithm the effect should be close or true @trustjab . This is the one area I'm really looking forward to see if it was fixed correctly. The valves that were used before were way of.

 

[SagarisGTB]

The lmp1 cars should be making as much or more downforce than the Ferrari F1 cars in game as well. They produce in excess of 4000lbs. Theyre slower than F1 because they're 200-300kg heavier and have 600hp vs. 750-800hp in F1. Maybe the cfd can replicate close to the real world values they have.

Indeed, the RLM guys said during the Shanghai broadcast that LMP1s, even in their low drag "Le Mans" setting, still generate more downforce than F1 cars do in their "Monaco" max downforce specs, which surprised me a tad. Though I shouldn't have been, the closed wheels and wider rear wings are both big factors favouring LMPs in terms of raw downforce.

 

[Vendrah]

Basically, yes. But I think there is also some balancing to be done. The 2012 Audi R8 for example should be about 3 seconds faster on a 2 minute lap as the 2009 R8, if they are represented correctly in the game.
I think the same applies to the older GT300 cars which shouldn't be on pace with the new 2012 Subaru.





Those aren't GT3 cars. They raced in the SP8T class which is for modified turbo cars, that are closer to the production cars than the GT3s.

The 2011 belongs to SP8 class. The 2012 ones belongs to SP8-T. And the 2013 belongs to SP9.

2013 faster than 2011 that it is faster than 2012.

 

[mustafur]

The lmp1 cars should be making as much or more downforce than the Ferrari F1 cars in game as well. They produce in excess of 4000lbs. Theyre slower than F1 because they're 200-300kg heavier and have 600hp vs. 750-800hp in F1. Maybe the cfd can replicate close to the real world values they have.

Not to mention Group C has far too much Downforce, especially the pre 89 ones that where designed for the super low drag of the unchicaned mulsanne.

 

[trustjab]

Indeed, the RLM guys said during the Shanghai broadcast that LMP1s, even in their low drag "Le Mans" setting, still generate more downforce than F1 cars do in their "Monaco" max downforce specs, which surprised me a tad. Though I shouldn't have been, the closed wheels and wider rear wings are both big factors favouring LMPs in terms of raw downforce.

They have a wider car as well. Closed fenders cut drag and the front splitter has a good effect too.

 

[trustjab]

Not to mention Group C has far too much Downforce, especially the pre 89 ones that where designed for the super low drag of the unchicaned mulsanne.

Well they actually made more downforce than most modern lmp cars do! In their day they were faster than the F1 cars of the time. But that didn't last long.

 

[mustafur]

Well they actually made more downforce than most modern lmp cars do! In their day they were faster than the F1 cars of the time. But that didn't last long.

yeah, what i meant was aero downforce that GT will allow you to adjust is very low, most of the downforce they generated was from Ground effects.

 

[Vendrah]

Yeah Super GT downforce in Gran Turismo is completely wrong, using the model they have the GT500s should be running 70/85 and GT300s 50/70.

There is no way a GT3 car could touch them, the fact the R8 LMS in GT5 has the same DF Level as all the Premium GT500s proves how wrong it is.

Dont forget that the Super GT cars on GT5 belongs to 2008,2006 (except HSV-010 that belongs to 2011). The 2008 and 2006 ones are before the GT3 entering, when they were slower. I read yesterday that the recents GT500´s are doing 2-3 seconds faster in a 1 minute lap than they used to do it 3 years ago. So, the GT5 aerodynamics (except for HSV) should be right, but outdated.

 

[mustafur]

Inco

Dont forget that the Super GT cars on GT5 belongs to 2008,2006 (except HSV-010 that belongs to 2011). The 2008 and 2006 ones are before the GT3 entering, when they were slower. I read yesterday that the recents GT500´s are doing 2-3 seconds faster in a 1 minute lap than they used to do it 3 years ago. So, the GT5 aerodynamics (except for HSV) should be right, but outdated.

even still the current DF levels for those is ridiculiously low. I would be looking at where the speed difference is coming too, not all that time would be aero but engine and maybe tyre gains too.

 

[ADR_PILOFINO]

The lmp1 cars should be making as much or more downforce than the Ferrari F1 cars in game as well. They produce in excess of 4000lbs. Theyre slower than F1 because they're 200-300kg heavier and have 600hp vs. 750-800hp in F1. Maybe the cfd can replicate close to the real world values they have.

that doesn't really suprise me now after the rule changes with theF1's rear wing what looks like it's a meter wide compared to the front wing :/ they need to sort out the DF for all F1 cars the 2007 should have a considerably more amount of DF than the 2010 Ferrari but GT6 are more than likely going to balence both of the cars -.-

 

[Ghaek]

GT500 and GT300 equally

 

[AlvaroF]

DTM or GT500

 

[Roflwaffle]

I'd go for GT500 then GT300. I don't really like GT3as they're just typical race cars (Audi R8, BMW M3, Mercedes SLS )and not as interesting as GT500 and GT300.

 

[tankuroded]

I chose the secret option "I prefer to race street cars"

So you think that we should have more road cars over race ones? We are talking about race cars here