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Irony is that you can say the same about FM
Any news on Gran Turismo 8?
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I completely disagree. You are missing the point here unfortunately. PS4 runs perfectly fine with GT7.
What is frustrating is, after spending a huge amount of money on GT7, you get this:
1. Most circuits have an average of 3 lap race
2. You start at the back, and by the time you reach the 1st corner, the leader is 40 - 45 secs ahead
3. There's no events for GR1 cars and GR2 cars. As a result, most cars are just garage queens
4. We have great beautiful circuits like Bathurst, but yet, there's hardly any events there.
5. For custom races, your payout is pure crap. The best part is, the Ai actually signals and give you way to overtake them.
6. The idea of endurance is just 1 hour race
7. You can't repeat any of the human comedy races and tryout different cars, because there's no payout if you have already completed the event.
8. Most cars that have an average of 200 - 400 PP, are garage queens, simply because there's hardly any events
9. The soft tyres on A1 can last as long a your hard tyre. But when you use the soft tyre, it's cooked within 2 laps.
10. There is absolutely no career mode, something that was in the past GTs. Look at GT4. Quite simply the best damn game ever made. Period.
Now, take a long hard read and understanding here, and please elaborate to me how is PS4 holding back GT7?
That's right. It's not PS4, but rather, the pure sheer laziness of PD releasing an incomplete game, where, almost 2 years now, and there's hardly anything exciting about GT7.
So, excuse me if I'm able to analyze the situation, and choose not to be stupidly conned by PD to buy another incomplete game in the form of GT8.
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There is actully gr1 and gr2 events, if you look enough, yes the single player is bad and never sugest otherwise, but thats the state of any racing game by modern standards, witch is a shame, and i can agree gt4 is the best in the series, but outside of single player and the progression gt7 is better in every way campared to past titles, and thats why its my favorite since gt4,
Nobody is forcing you to buy gt8 when it releases, if you dont want to buy it dont,
If pd was lazy they would not put all this time recreate the car models, and scanning the cars them self, its just seems like that pd care very little about single player,
It would not take much effort for pd to make gt7 the best gt game of all time, but they have decided to not make use of that huge pontential
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There's still 4-5 years before PS6 which is expected late 2028.
I wouldn't be surprised if GT9 is PS5/6 cross-gen as both systems should be similar architecture wise. PS5's SSD was arguably the biggest improvement over PS4's HDD. But if you build a game around SSD utilisation (beyond loading times) you can't make it work on an HDD equipped system without huge, potentially game breaking, compromises.
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Something to keep in mind here is Sony is keeping everything very close to their chest regarding PS Studios games as a whole - across their ~15 first-party developers there's only four officially announced new game projects (Wolverine, Fairgame$, Marathon and Concord) all of which have been nothing but CGI announcement trailers.
They don't seem to be in the business of announcing things years out in advance anymore.
They don't seem to be in the business of announcing things years out in advance anymore.
GT8 = PS8 (I called it before, and I'll call it again)
It took Rockstar over 10 years to release a trailer for GTA 6, after the launch of GT5 ... this is now the norm in the gaming/digital social media landscape.
By the time GT8 is launched, a fair chunk of existing players will have given up, got married, have children, found new/better hobbies etc etc, and replaced by the new generation of gamers to make up the numbers.
It took Rockstar over 10 years to release a trailer for GTA 6, after the launch of GT5 ... this is now the norm in the gaming/digital social media landscape.
By the time GT8 is launched, a fair chunk of existing players will have given up, got married, have children, found new/better hobbies etc etc, and replaced by the new generation of gamers to make up the numbers.
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The last thing on earth is that GT7 is "great" that implies that it is strong in all areas. It is total rubbish as a one player game. Forza Motorsport is better in Free Play than GT7 single player. It looks better too. GT7 may have the car graphics but Forza tracks are much better. Do you even own Forza?
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I was not associating the generation of console to a specific release of the game, I was projecting the ever increasing time scales for the next iteration of major digital 'content' to become a reality.
PS8 just ties in nicely given it how feasible it could exist within the next 10 years.
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I'd agree if we're talking about Rockstar games only. It's understandable that GTAVI is only releasing after a decade due to how profitable a game GTAV was, GTAV being the most profitable entertainment release, ever. So any new GTA game is no small game, but Gran Turismo? They're not even comparable in terms of profit let alone genre. The formula of GT hasn't really changed, and it's not a open-world with thousands of missions, side-quests and things to do.. Developing a Gran Turismo game should never take more than 5 years, at most. Gran Turismo's direct competitor; Forza, doesn't even take that long, sometimes just 2 years, AND they do very technically impressive open world with beautiful environments. Go figure!
But if you could and want to compare GTA with GT on a technical level, all GT has going for it is the framerate and graphics on PS5, in replay mode. GTA is a much bigger game with a much bigger audience and is more technically impressive in pretty much every other area of the game than GT. I wouldn't be betting on it taking more than 5 years for the next GT game, at latest being 2029. One big reason is to drop the cross-gen crap and make a dedicated PS5 game that will look the part. My money's on it being sooner rather than later.
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Plus, didn’t even mention SIE/PlayStation Studios owns PD and definitely would not allow 2 entire console generations to be released without a GT game. GT games have a direct impact on PS console and accessory sales, amongst other things. Unless PD is shut down and GT is no more, or GT pauses the numbered games and starts releasing other games, there’s absolutely no way GT8 doesn’t release at least on PS6 at some point.
Yes Rockstar's revenue on content far out strips what Sony have generated from the Gran Turismo 6, Sport & 7 titles, however Sony have traditionally played the game of selling hardware that the GT games serve to showcase.
Rockstar made a killing on top of the base single player release thanks to cash cards, subscription revenue, and supporting the game across 3 generations of Playstation & Xbox, along with the PC gamer community. They continued to give their core online audience (people who use barcode usernames spend hours leaping between GTAO lobbies to troll other players) new content (i.e weapons, tanks, jet fighters, hover bikes) ... they tap into a segment of society that are willing to pay to live out their dark fantasies. It's not that far from the pornography industry really ...
They (IMO) have set a precedent in how many years you can stretch a game before market pressure forces you to create a new product, and still have existing people (and new/younger audiences) who are happy to wait and pay for it. It gives Sony/PD breathing space and plenty of excuses to take their time, all while drip feeding the GT7 platform for as long as they can keep it on life support ...
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I too was going to buy a Series X for Forza Motorsport. I held off after some worries about the lack of news and all-new content.
Right now, for all it's faults, GT7 is an 8/10 title that could hit 9/10 if a few issues are addressed. It's also, technically, one of the most impressive games on PS5 despite being cross-gen. I've watched lots of Motorsport content and would struggle to give it higher than 6/10. Technically it's a mess and suffers from so many shortcuts and lack of attention to detail. With well under 1,000 concurrent players on Steam and outside the top 50 Most Played Xbox titles I have real worries the Motorsport franchise has a long-term future.
PD's reputation goes before them in terms of delays. But there are some wild predictions with regards to how far away GT8 is. As mentioned earlier 3-4 years is the typical release schedule for mainline GT's. Sequels on the same hardware have been nearer 3 years. While I think that's optimistic for all manner of reasons - PD clearly have a very good dev pipeline as show by the early gen release of GT7 - followed by day one PSVR2 support. I expect day one PS5 Pro support - I just wonder how extensive that will be. I wouldn't rule out GT8 being showcased alongside PS5 Pro.
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The single player sucks in both, but sucks even more in fm 23, as they are no varity, they choise to make all new career fomo and they are no defending that, forza does not always have better looking tracks, the enviroments is more detailed but the track itself i would say no, gt7 has better textures and at times its even more accurate witch you can already see in digital foundry camparsion, witch gt7 won by the way, forza has inaccurate trees and things in the wrong locations, the only advantage fm has over gt7 in the graphics is enviroment detail everything else looks better in gt7 and its crossgen game campared to forza thats only current gen and is on pc, gt7 car models is also miles a head,
Gt7 while its flawed have much more overall better pakage between the two,
And no i have not bought the new forza is not worth my money its a complete mess, not even many off the forza youtubers wants to play it anymore and thats for good reason
I am not a forza hater either because i have had every other forza game since launch for the last 10 years, but if you enjoy it i am not standing in the way of that, but objectivly is in a pretty bad state there is no deny of that,
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No its not.
You may like it more. That is fine. But many people hate it for good reasons.
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GTA doesn’t translate at all to GT here, really. You’ve said so much yourself already to disprove your own theory. It’s 100% true that GTA offers content and features that a lot of (all?) players use to live out some dark, twisted and very unrealistic fantasies. GT offers about as close to real as one can get for the most part given its constraints. Loads of people crave the kind of content GTA offers and are very much willing to pay for it. GTA does this in so many ways and more diverse ways than GT does. GTA V survived this long thanks mainly to its users being willing to spend significant amounts of money to access and use new offerings to continue to live out those fantasies. It also exists on various platforms and is not exclusive to 1 console that uses it to sell products and generate revenue, among other things.
I don’t see GT switching to making people pay real money for the new cars, tracks and events they’ve been giving us free since launch. Most GT players don’t use and will never, ever use the MTX option in GT7 which is the exact opposite of how GTA players are when it comes to spending real money on that game.
This is all also completely ignoring the fact that PD have already said they’ve already been working on the next game. They’re not working on it right now for whatever the PS8 will have to offer. No-one at Sony even has a clue what a PS8 would be capable of yet. The technology likely doesn’t even exist. PD is not going to spend the next 9 years working on a game for a console no-one knows anything about yet and probably won’t even exist in the next 9 years. I can’t see a PS5 Pro, PS6 and PS7 (and almost certainly slim and Pro models of each) being released all over the next 9 years.
GT is directly and exclusively connected to Sony consoles and are owned/controlled by Sony. Sony isn’t going to intentionally cost itself (a good bit of) money by delaying the next GT game for 2 more console generations.
GTA and GT are very, very different games. There’s absolutely no reason at all to believe GT could be successful by trying to mimic Rockstars tactics with GTA unless Sony is willing to completely change what GT is and always has been just for the sake of being able to go 10 years between releases of titles when they make plenty of money following the general trend they have been when it comes to GT games and PS consoles.
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Which is why, as a company, they were under little pressure to release the next game while GTA5 was still bringing in a whole lot of revenue. If they released GTA6 5 years ago, GTA5 wouldn't have half as much revenue from the last 5 years as it has grossed.
Something GT7 isn't doing/capable of doing.
No they haven't, there have been games with longer development cycles and many other games with 8+ year development cycles well before GTA6. There's no precedent here.
The two games aren't comparable, nor is the way that they are being treated as GAAS. The revenue GTA5 was record breaking. You are arguing against your own point when you acknowledge that Rockstar's revenue is far outstriping what Sony generate from GT. It is, and it's record breaking. If Rockstar can string GTA5 along for so long because of the record breaking revenue, what is suggested is that to replicate that, you need to get close to that record breaking revenue model.
You haven’t even played FM23 and all you do is hate on it. Every time I check this section of the forum and here you are. The grind in GT7 is horrific and everything is so expensive that it’s a necessity. Permanent upgrades are much worse than FM23’s upgrade grind in my opinion. I don’t have to keep buying multiples to try different parts or engine swaps.
Edit: woops this is actually the GT7 forum, still the same broken record.
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FM23 is definitely in an unacceptable state and literally everyone is aware of this, especially when you play the game A LOT like I do. The grind in FM isn’t bad at all, I mean what else are you going to do other than drive cars around tracks? Literally all this guy posts about is how horrible FM23 is and he’s never played it. FOMO cars (Unicorn or Hard-to-Find) are a staple of the current Forza games as far as I can tell so that’s not going to change and I personally don’t mind it either.
GT7’s car list is embarrassing compared to FM23. Most of the good cars are in both games and so many of GT’s are fictitious like nearly every Gr. 4 car, Gr. B car, many Gr. 3 cars, and the most useless; the Gr.3 road cars which are mainly just heavier versions of existing cars. It’s not realistic how FM handles electric cars but at least they’re not completely useless in the game!
GT7’s car list is embarrassing compared to FM23. Most of the good cars are in both games and so many of GT’s are fictitious like nearly every Gr. 4 car, Gr. B car, many Gr. 3 cars, and the most useless; the Gr.3 road cars which are mainly just heavier versions of existing cars. It’s not realistic how FM handles electric cars but at least they’re not completely useless in the game!
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What's the deal with cross platform games? That used to be the norm, and in some cases, they looked and played the same on new systems as they did old ones. It really depended on what the designers wanted to do.
And who said the PS4 had to stick with a hard drive?
And who said the PS4 had to stick with a hard drive?
My opinion is that GT7 was puprosley held back and unfinished in some segments because of covid and PS4.
Covid and PS5 shortage of supply forced them to release game on PS4 and PS5 to make bigger game audience as many of us wasn't able to get PS5 up until not so long ago when they stabilized supply.
Now when there is enough PS5 for everyone , it make sense to release GT8 just after PS5 Pro (same as we got GT sport after PS4 pro release).
I am sure that if we would get Gran Turismo we all want with complete single player career (basicaly what GT7 should have been from day one) we all are gonna forget GT7 and change to new game, and that would also puah PS4 players to move to PS5 to be able to play GT8.
That are my thoughts and time will tell if I am right.
Covid and PS5 shortage of supply forced them to release game on PS4 and PS5 to make bigger game audience as many of us wasn't able to get PS5 up until not so long ago when they stabilized supply.
Now when there is enough PS5 for everyone , it make sense to release GT8 just after PS5 Pro (same as we got GT sport after PS4 pro release).
I am sure that if we would get Gran Turismo we all want with complete single player career (basicaly what GT7 should have been from day one) we all are gonna forget GT7 and change to new game, and that would also puah PS4 players to move to PS5 to be able to play GT8.
That are my thoughts and time will tell if I am right.
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