2014 NASCAR Thread

[Mac K]

"Drivers and Danica"

That never gets old.

 

[Johnny1996]

This is about a minute ago.

 

[nascarfan1400]

This is about a minute ago.

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Night race, anyone!?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Stopped because of rain. Imagine if it gets a bit windy, their mothers will have to be called :\

 

[RACECAR]

Just heard the Tornado warning has been lifted.

 

[nascarfan1400]

Stopped because of rain. Imagine if it gets a bit windy, their mothers will have to be called :\

Rain + a high banked 200mph avg speed oval is not a good combo... Especially when there were tornado warnings.

 

[The Bman]

Apparently another tornado warning has been issued.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Rain + a high banked 200mph avg speed oval is not a good combo... Especially when there were tornado warnings.

No, you need a softer setup, more aero, cut tyres and a higher level of overall skill. I'm not saying the bulk of regular NASCAR pilots aren't skilled because they surely are, but arguably some aren't.

Certainly driving at high speed on a bank in the rain isn't difficult for a professional pilot, it's just more dangerous because the margin of error is narrower.

For a tornado warning though... fair enough

 

[KamyKaze1098]

No, you need a softer setup, more aero, cut tyres and a higher level of overall skill. I'm not saying the bulk of regular NASCAR pilots aren't skilled because they surely are, but arguably some aren't.

Certainly driving at high speed on a bank in the rain isn't difficult for a professional pilot, it's just more dangerous because the margin of error is narrower.

For a tornado warning though... fair enough

Nevermind the water running from the top to the bottom then..
You sir don't know what you are saying...

 

[nascarfan1400]

Apparently another tornado warning has been issued.

With this said:

Daytona 200
&
Coke Zero 300

Sunday, February 23, 2014 on Fox​

 

[Bo]

No need to do it here. This isn't twitter. 👎

It was a bit of fun during the red flag. Nice to know we all have a sense of humour.

 

[Roo]

Very good of NASCAR to put in a Top Gear break for UK viewers.

 

[Furinkazen]

Midweek Motorsport ‏@specutainment 30s
For UK @NASCAR viewers no restart until earliest 01:00 Uk @MotorsTV are replaying Nationwide race from last night starting now Sky Ch447

 

[Tired Tyres]

& quite a good Top Gear as well. I take it I haven't missed anything?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Nevermind the water running from the top to the bottom then..
You sir don't know what you are saying...

I've done it at 140 mph on a 30' banking. The track needs to be correctly engineered of course, which NASCAR-qualified oval courses aren't... they don't need to be.

I'm just taking the jokey British view that most of life takes place in the rain, in reality I quite understand why NASCAR aren't running

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

No, you need a softer setup, more aero, cut tyres and a higher level of overall skill. I'm not saying the bulk of regular NASCAR pilots aren't skilled because they surely are, but arguably some aren't.

Same could be said for many F1, WEC, WTCC, and Rally drivers that have average skill behind a wheel what's your point beside wanting to cast light on the obvious? Also don't blame the drivers like a fool, when you clearly don't understand the engineering behind it, cause if you did you'd know it takes more than what you've suggested. A quick look at the last decade of F1 which has arguably the highest Aero proves that.

Certainly driving at high speed on a bank in the rain isn't difficult for a professional pilot, it's just more dangerous because the margin of error is narrower.

For a tornado warning though... fair enough

...Wow do you stop and think about what you're saying before you pound on your keyboard? I mean yet again it involves more than that. It's more dangerous because the car and track as well as other variables aren't designed for that, forget how "brave" a pilot is or having balls to do it. The end result is still the same.

Edit: obviously the joke was missed by a few of us, and where did you do this 140 on a 30 degree bank in the rain.

 

[Furinkazen]

Go on GT6 - do NASCAR at Daytona oval in 100% wet, I rest my case.

 

[TexRex]

Tornado could've helped them round the track assuming they went the right direction...It's okay though, Molly McGrath is keeping me updated.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Same could be said for many F1, WEC, WTCC, and Rally drivers that have average skill behind a wheel what's your point beside wanting to cast light on the obvious? Also don't blame the drivers like a fool, when you clearly don't understand the engineering behind it, cause if you did you'd know it takes more than what you've suggested. A quick look at the last decade of F1 which has arguably the highest Aero proves that.

What are you trying to say?

All those disciplines follow the same engineering formula for wet racing; cut tyres, higher aero, softer suspension.

All those disciplines have drivers whose talent stops at the point where it starts raining.

Why shouldn't that be true of NASCAR?

 

[Furinkazen]

8pm EST targeted restart time.

 

[Adamgp]

[quote="nascarfan1400, post: 9380334, member: 2421

I was there. More than a little rain.

 

[Blitz24]

Pretty sure no series other than NASCAR run races predominantly on banked tracks. Sending those cars out there would be very stupid to do. The tires may not even last 5 laps.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Don't people realise that running around an oval at near 200 mph in the rain would kick up spray into the slipstream 43 cars are creating which would then swirl around that slipstream meaning no one would be able to see the cars and the drivers wouldn't be able to see anything at all.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

What are you trying to say?

All those disciplines follow the same engineering formula for wet racing; cut tyres, higher aero, softer suspension.

All those disciplines have drivers whose talent stops at the point where it starts raining.

Why shouldn't that be true of NASCAR?

First off these drivers do have the talent, I'm guessing your knowledge on said drivers is quite limited cause if you were aware of other racing endeavors they've done or accomplished you'd know better. You don't.

Also what I'm saying is clear and cut in my post, try reading it again but slowly and not skim perhaps? The formula isn't a proven one for high down pours and torrential type rains as I already noted and could prove or has been proven in this thread earlier (e.g. 2003 Brazilian GP).

Again they don't race on Ovals in other sports and thus the engineering behind a road course/gp track, street course and oval are different in many ways. I'm sure if it's as easy as you say then you should contact Nascar on Monday and let them know, you deserve to make all that money for such a vague idea you have yet to give on here.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Pretty sure no series other than NASCAR run races predominantly on banked tracks. Sending those cars out there would be very stupid to do. The tires may not even last 5 laps.

I think you're right, maybe some minor league South American series but nothing as big as NASCAR for sure.

I know why they don't race in rain and, as I said, I don't have a problem with it (except being at work in a few hours), I'm just saying that it isn't impossible to alter the regulations to allow for wet racing. It isn't really feasible, but it isn't impossible.

At least they're showing last year's race

@LMSCorvetteGT2 ; you say "First off these drivers do have the talent, I'm guessing your knowledge on said drivers is quite limited cause if you were aware of other racing endeavors they've done or accomplished you'd know better. You don't."

You're sure they ALL do? I'd disagree, but I wouldn't presume to tell you what you do or don't know to be your own opinion.

I know the form and endeavours of the bulk of the field and stand by my opinion that some of them are really not good racers, just good lappers. Sorry!

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Don't people realise that running around an oval at near 200 mph in the rain would kick up spray into the slipstream 43 cars are creating which would then swirl around that slipstream meaning no one would be able to see the cars and the drivers wouldn't be able to see anything at all.

No because there are groups of people that think drivers should have will of Steel and not be affected by massive puddles that cause hydroplanes regardless of grooved tires or not.

People think it's just driving and this type of event couldn't possibly have tons of engineering involved.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

This is what happens when you race on a wet oval, even in a little front wheel drive.



I think the main problem is tyre temperature, it's either too cold to get grip in the wet or too soft to provide that grip that it overheats.

 

[TenEightyOne]

No because there are groups of people that think drivers should have will of Steel and not be affected by massive puddles that cause hydroplanes regardless of grooved tires or not.

People think it's just driving and this type of event couldn't possibly have tons of engineering involved.

The problem is that you just skimmed my post, I pointed out that re-engineering would be required.

I went on to say that actually implementing rain racing wouldn't realistically be feasible. It wouldn't however be impossible.

@GOTMAXPOWER

Is the restart 10pm GMT?

 

[Furinkazen]

The problem is that you just skimmed my post, I pointed out that re-engineering would be required.

I went on to say that actually implementing rain racing wouldn't realistically be feasible. It wouldn't however be impossible.

@GOTMAXPOWER

Is the restart 10pm GMT?

I am hearing midnight.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I am hearing midnight.

Thanks bud. Dayum, I'd better get the coffee on :\