Malaysia Grand Prix 2009

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Something doesn't click right, but that's the best I could find. It makes sense, though. Fuel-usage is especially high in Malaysia (long straights, high humidity), and Heidfeld has twice the weight Vettel is carrying. Also remember, even without the safety-car rule, that teams still have to factor an extra couple of KGs of fuel, just-in-case. (647-605)/12=3.5, which looks ok-ish...
Could be that a lot of teams have learned from Australia and are running lighter fuel loads because their first stint will be on the softer tyre. I'm not sure how the soft compound is faring compared to the super-soft in Melbourne, but I think a lot of people would have noticed the way BMW played their hand to Kubica into a very strong position come race's end. They'd be mad if they didn't.
 
I'm sure Vettel will be on softs after qualifying and a light fuel load should let him pass both Mclarens in the first lap, possibly before T1, even when they have KERS.

The fight for the first three positions will be a great spectacle, as there is 8 real chances.
 
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[b]Grid 	Name 			Weight 	Fuel (kg) 	First stint (laps)[/b]
1 	Jenson Button 		660 	55 		20
2 	Jarno Trulli 		656.5 	51.5 		19
3 	Timo Glock 		656.5 	51.5 		19
4 	Nico Rosberg 		656 	51 		19
5 	Mark Webber 		656 	51 		19
6 	Robert Kubica 		663 	58 		21
7 	Kimi Raikkonen 		662.5 	57.5 		21
8 	Rubens Barrichello 	664.5 	59.5 		22
9 	Fernando Alonso 	680.5 	75.5 		28
10 	Nick Heidfeld 		692 	87 		32
11 	Kazuki Nakajima 	683.4 	78.4 		29
12 	Lewis Hamilton 		688 	83 		31
13 	Sebastian Vettel 	647 	42 		15
14 	Heikki Kovalainen 	688.9 	83 		31
15 	Sebastien Bourdais 	670.5 	65.5 		24
16 	Felipe Massa 		689.5 	84.5 		32
17 	Nelson Piquet Jnr 	681.9 	76.9 		29
18 	Giancarlo Fisichella 	680.5 	75.5 		28
19 	Adrian Sutil 		655.5 	50.5 		19
20 	Sebastien Buemi 	686.5 	81.5 		30

Also, just for fun here are the fuel corrected qualifying times for the top 10 (it's not quite accurate, it's just using the .1s per lap figure which seems a bit too much):

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[b]Pos.	Name			Time		Fuel Corrected Time[/b]
1	Jeson Button		1'35.181	1'33.181
2	Jarno Trulli		1'35.273	1'33.373
3	Rubens Barrichello	1'35.651	1'33.451
4	Timo Glock		1'35.690	1'33.790
5	Nico Rosberg		1'35.750	1'33.850
6	Mark Webber		1'35.797	1'33.897
7	Rober Kubica		1'36.106	1'34.006
8	Sebastian Vettel	1'35.518	1'34.018
9	Kimi Raikkonen		1'36.170	1'34.070
10	Fernando Alonso		1'37.659	1'34.859
 
I don't think the fuel corrected time can be used as a real guide, as those times are all much faster than the times set in Q2, when they are running lightest.

Jenson's best splits add up to 1.33.719- Q2 time was1.33.784


Have the fuel loads got the drivers weight taken into account?
 
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I don't think the fuel corrected time can be used as a real guide, as those times are all much faster than the times set in Q2, when they are running lightest.

Yeah, I just used the tenth of a second per lap figure that Bundle was throwing around. I suspect it’s a bit less than that and it would make Vettel’s drop down the grid a little less dramatic. But unless there’s a better figure that’s the best I can do.

Have the fuel loads got the drivers weight taken into account?

Minimum weight is 605kg including driver, so the fuel loads are estimated by taking 605kg away from the times announced by the FIA.
 
Yeah, I just used the tenth of a second per lap figure that Bundle was throwing around. I suspect it’s a bit less than that and it would make Vettel’s drop down the grid a little less dramatic. But unless there’s a better figure that’s the best I can do.


As the fuel comes off, that tenth would become progressively more, so it may start off as less, maybe he(Brundle)is being overly general.


Minimum weight is 605kg including driver, so the fuel loads are estimated by taking 605kg away from the times announced by the FIA.


Wasn't sure if that was dry with or without driver, so thanks for that.👍
 
How are the tyres coping with degredation here at Sepang? The only reason I can see Vettel starting so light is if he starts on the soft tyres in an attempt to get a fast run on the softer compound, then bring him in early and put him on the harder tyres before the softs hit that graining period.

Its a big gamble, but it might help pull him into the points. Lets see how that unfolds.
 
The soft tyres are the tyre that people will be racing on in Sepang. The hard tyre is too hard and only the Brawns can get some real heat into it, so most people will struggle with graining on the harder tyre.
 
The soft tyres are the tyre that people will be racing on in Sepang. The hard tyre is too hard and only the Brawns can get some real heat into it, so most people will struggle with graining on the harder tyre.
How long are the softs good for though? The super softs were giving up after about fifteen laps in Melbourne - at least, fifteen laps from the end is around the time when Button pitted - and the soft compound is obviously going to be harder, but I can't imagine they'd be good for long stints, especially on a circuit that demands heavier braking from higher speeds than Albert Park. Because if Brawn are the only team that can get something resembling heat into the hard tyres, the others had better be doing their naked rain dances.
 
Could be that a lot of teams have learned from Australia and are running lighter fuel loads because their first stint will be on the softer tyre. I'm not sure how the soft compound is faring compared to the super-soft in Melbourne, but I think a lot of people would have noticed the way BMW played their hand to Kubica into a very strong position come race's end. They'd be mad if they didn't.

Teams will want to start on the best tyre possible, unlike Melbourne, because rain is almost certain to arrive - it is currently overcast with heavy showers not far from the track, and the wind is driving them towards it. With that being the case, they'll want to use the optimal tyre at first, and then switch to rain tyres - since that negates the requirement to use both compounds.

Also, just for fun here are the fuel corrected qualifying times for the top 10 (it's not quite accurate, it's just using the .1s per lap figure which seems a bit too much):

These are some better figures indeed.

The soft tyres are the tyre that people will be racing on in Sepang. The hard tyre is too hard and only the Brawns can get some real heat into it, so most people will struggle with graining on the harder tyre.

Don't forget the Williams cars: They may (like everyone) be slower on the hard, but Nico and Kazuki were fantastically consistent on them, and only half a second off their mid-run times on Softs..

But yes. With the rain looming, it'll be Softs for everyone, and praying they won't need to use the Hards: In the cold, overcast afternoon, they'll have zero grip.

How long are the softs good for though? The super softs were giving up after about fifteen laps in Melbourne - at least, fifteen laps from the end is around the time when Button pitted - and the soft compound is obviously going to be harder, but I can't imagine they'd be good for long stints, especially on a circuit that demands heavier braking from higher speeds than Albert Park. Because if Brawn are the only team that can get something resembling heat into the hard tyres, the others had better be doing their naked rain dances.

The Softs will last a whole stint in this case - there's more to tyre-wear than braking alone. The Hards, however, are really just too hard - only Brawn and Williams managed decent laps on them. The Supersofts at Melbourne lasted 15 laps on paper - in reality, after 5-6 laps, they disintegrated on most cars (Button managed more because he didn't push his car that hard at this stage).
 
Man I hope they can get the race restarted. The strategy that played out in this race kept me on the edge of my seat for sure!
 
This is what happens when you start a race in Malaysia at 5PM local at this time of year.

On the TV they are saying you have to go 75% distance to get full points. I thought it was 60%.
 
I dont think they'll get it going again, but I hope they do.
 
New F1 fan here. Can someone explain why there is a 2 hour time limit for each race?
 
I hope they do manage to restart the race, even if it is behind the safety car because the drivers who managed to keep it on the track deserve full points for there exceptional driving in adverse conditions.
 
Man I hope they can get the race restarted.

Why? You have a hankering after watching some crashes?

Webber said "I couldn't see anything. I nearly hit Nick and I was doing 15ks.". The drivers would rather go home now, as the cars are still deep in water and it's getting too dark... Several drivers, when interviewed said being behind the safety car was even more dangerous as they have no temperature in the tyres or brakes and aquaplane through the standing water as the bottom of the car gets too close to the deck...


In fact I believe Trulli has just said that Webber has called an impromptu drivers' meeting and the outcome is that the drivers think it's too dark to continue.
 
Lifeboat deployed.

New F1 fan here. Can someone explain why there is a 2 hour time limit for each race?

To stop TV schedules getting messed up.
 
The FIA are ordering the cars atm, I think they will restart it under the safety car and go upto 42 laps, be interesting to see who spins off and gifts positions should this happen,
 
Restarting the race behind the safety car to make it to 3/4 distance in order to get full points is being considered.

Edit: yeah, what Alex said.
 
Or who lies to the stewards after the race as a result of someone going off...
 
Aye, by Whiting. I don't think he'll find the drivers amenable.
 
Why? You have a hankering after watching some crashes?

Webber said "I couldn't see anything. I nearly hit Nick and I was doing 15ks.". The drivers would rather go home now, as the cars are still deep in water and it's getting too dark... Several drivers, when interviewed said being behind the safety car was even more dangerous as they have no temperature in the tyres or brakes and aquaplane through the standing water as the bottom of the car gets too close to the deck...


In fact I believe Trulli has just said that Webber has called an impromptu drivers' meeting and the outcome is that the drivers think it's too dark to continue.
Take it easy man, I just want to see some racing.
 
With this restart business, they will take all the cars round except the top 2 because they are a lap down.
 
At the expense of safety and sanity?

You won't see any in any case. The best you can hope for is 12 laps under the safety car. If the drivers agree, that is.
 
There are only 20 minutes to the two hour cut off point and there still has to be a 10 minute warning before the race can restart. A fast lap in the rain is 2 minutes and everybody except Button and Glock has to be led around by the safety car to get their lap back. This is clearly not going to happen. What would be the point?
 
And Kimi Raikkonen has quit - he won't take part in any restart the race directors decide upon.
 
Raikkonen's wandering around in T shirt and shorts, eating an ice cream :lol:
 
:lol: Raikkonen with an ice cream!
 
Raikkonen is so cool!
 
Some drivers are getting in the cars, but we approach the time limit.
 
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