FITT Hot Version Drivetrain Challenge - Congratulations to Lionheart2113 & ImToLegitToQuit

DolHaus · Aug 6, 2014

-FITT Hot Version Drivetrain Challenge-

Welcome to the FITT Challenge, this time we will be trying to settle the age old debate about which drivetrain is faster. We will put the cars to the ultimate test on winding mountain roads, city streets and racetracks alike to prove once and for all who is the king of the road.

Will you choose the stability and grip of a front-wheel drive or favor the raw thrill of a rear-wheel drive? Do you go for the tried and tested front engine layout or go for the more edgy mid ship layout? Maybe you want the best of both worlds and a four-wheel drive will be your route to victory?

There will be two classes with a representative from each drivetrain to choose from, you may enter either class or both if you should wish. If you enter both classes then you may not choose the same drivetrain twice, this is just to keep things varied and to test your tuning abilities.

This will be a two track, one tune challenge, you must tune your car to suit both tracks as there will be no changes allowed in between. The times from each track will be combined to form your overall time and this will decide your position at the end of the challenge. The Drivers Choice section will be a separate award as usual.

ABS will be optional for tuners this time around, this means that testers must drive the cars as described by the individual tuners request for either ABS 0 or ABS 1.

Time Table

Beginning Date:
August 6th

Sign Ups:
August 6th - 11th

Tuning Schedule:
Begin: 20:00 GMT - August 11th
End: 20:00 GMT - August 25th

Testing Schedule:
Begin: 20:00 GMT - August 25th
End: 20:00 GMT - September 8th

Global rules for all classes

-No Oil changes-
-No engine rebuilds-
-NOS Not allowed-
-Maximum of 15 point ride height difference front to rear-
-Tuners may not use same drivetrain twice-
ABS Must be set as listed by tuner

Index

Street Classics

Road Racers

Tuners

Testers

Results

DolHaus · Aug 6, 2014

Street Classics

Rules

420 PP Maximum
Tyres - (Up to) Comfort Medium
Power Limiter 90% or above
ABS Optional (0/1)
Full Customizable Suspension permitted
Fixed Ratio Transmission Only (5/6 Speed)
Twin plate clutch permitted
Carbon fiber drive shaft permitted
Full Customizable LSD permitted
Torque Distributing Center Differential permitted
Aftermarket wheels and Aero parts permitted
Improved body rigidity permitted
Racing Brakes permitted

Tracks

Eiger Norwand Short Course

Deep Forrest Raceway

Cars

Toyota Sprinter TRUENO GT-APEX (AE86) '83:

The final hurrah for lightweight rear-wheel drive sports cars from Toyota before switching over to the more efficient FF and 4WD drivetrains that would dominate its future lineups. Known as the Hachi-Roku or 8-6 in its native tongue, the light weight chassis is home to the perky and popular DOHC 4AGE 1.6l inline 4 motor that has powered the car to many victories both on and off the track. This car has been an icon of both the street racing, circuit racing and drifting across the world and has been forever immortalized in the eyes of many thanks to its part in the Initial D Anime/Comics.

Honda Civic SiR -II (EG) '91:

This fifth generation Civic proved to be a turning point in Honda's international popularity by proving that performance could be both reliable and inexpensive. At the heart of the car is the bombproof and intoxicating 1.6 DOHC VTEC motor that would keep howling through the upper rev ranges for decade after decade without ever skipping a beat, twinned with a taught and well designed double wishbone suspension system this car still feels fresh 15 years later.

Mitsubishi GTO SR '95:

Born out of an unlikely collaboration between Chrysler and Mitsubishi, the GTO takes its name from the 2 door Galant Coupe of the 1970's. Standing for Gran Turismo Omologato, this car was certainly created with the intention of being a race car for the road and having a big naturally aspirated 24v DOHC V6 lump at the front certainly sees to that. Helping the power get to the road is the trusted 4WD system that Mitsubishi is most famous for which works in conjunction with a clever four wheel steering system that makes the car feel a lot more nimble than its size would suggest.

Toyota MR2 1600 G '86

This was Toyota's first voyage into the world of mid engined cars and it proved so fruitful that it would certainly not be their last. The name MR2 comes from the original design criteria notes where it was simply known as the "Mid-engine Runabout for 2", once learned by the public this name became synonymous with all future mid-ship Toyota's. Behind the drivers seat lies the same engine from the AE86 in the form of the 1.6l 4AGE which gives it more than enough punch to launch the lightweight roadster down the road at a dramatic rate. The handling can only be described as 'Unique' and will not be to everyone's tastes, it certainly takes a while to learn how to use the car ability to rotate effectively and you may need to buy some fresh trousers afterwards.

DolHaus · Aug 6, 2014

Road Racers

Rules

Power Limiter 75% or above
ABS Optional (0/1)
Fully Customizable Suspension permitted
Fully Customizable Transmission permitted
Twin/Triple plate clutch permitted
Carbon fiber drive shaft permitted
Full Customizable LSD permitted
Torque Distributing Center Differential permitted
Aftermarket wheels and Aero parts permitted
Improved body rigidity permitted
Racing Brakes permitted

Tracks

Special Stage Route 5

Twin Ring Motegi East

Cars/Specs

RE Amemiya FD3S RX7

525pp
(Up to) Sports Medium Tires

Down Force Limit: (cannot exceed)
Front: 150
Rear: 350

A track ready road car based on the Mazda RX7 breathed on by Super GT and D1GP rotary engine legends RE Amemiya. Featuring the high revving twin turbo 13B -REW rotary Wankel engine at its heart the RX7 is a masterclass in balanced automotive design. From the chassis through to the roof, everything on this car is designed to give a focused and pure driving experience. Dubbed "the demon-lord of mountain roads" by Keiichi Tsuchiya, this modified classic is bound to set pulses racing and light up the timing screens.

Honda Integra Type R (DC5) Touring Car '04

500pp
(Up to) Sports Soft Tires

Down Force Limit: (cannot exceed)
Front: 150
Rear: 350

This Gran Turismo tuned Integra represents the peak of what is possible when putting power to the front wheels. A feather light chassis combined with the screaming 2.0l K20Z1 VTEC unit makes this a car to be truly feared on the race track. Cars based around the same chassis and engine have dominated Touring Car championships across the world since their introduction and are still competing more than 10yrs later with very little changed.

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR Touring Car '05

510pp
(Up to) Sports Medium Tires

Down Force Limit: (cannot exceed)
Front: 150
Rear: 350

Another Gran Turismo take on a legend of both circuit and rally racing across the world. This time attention turns to the 4WD traction monster that is the Mitsubishi Evo IX, being the 9th iteration means that they've had an awfully long time to get the recipe right and the way this thing sticks to the ground almost defies physics. Mitsubishi's renowned four wheel drive system is twinned with the heavily turbocharded 2.0l 4G63 MIVEC engine so it delivers a fearsome punch out of every corner without fail. The car has the grip and the grunt taken care of, all you have to do is hold on and try to keep your breakfast down while it bends physics around you.

Acura NSX LM Race Car '91

517pp
(Up to) Sports Medium Tires

Down Force Limit: (cannot exceed)
Front: 150
Rear: 350

A car developed and influenced by a variety of sources, styled originally by the Italian design house Pininfarina and apparently echoing the lines of an F16 fighter jet the NSX was built to take on the fastest cars that Germany and Italy could muster at the time. It aimed to achieve this with the use of a 3.0l C30A DOHC all aluminium V6 tuned specifically to give reliable and explosive performance at high RPM, this twinned with an all aluminum body and a chassis whos design was influenced by the inputs of Formula 1 racing legend Ayrton Senna. All of these features combined to create a truly sublime mid engined car that never really got the acclaim it deserved outside of its home country where it is revered as one of the greatest cars ever to grace a Honda forecourt.

DolHaus · Aug 6, 2014

Tuners

Street Classics:

Toyota Sprinter TRUENO GT-APEX (AE86) '83:

@sinof1337 (ABS 1/+1" Rims/Custom Wing) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...gn-ups-available.314917/page-15#post-10008092
@787bcgr (ABS 0/+2" Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...gn-ups-available.314917/page-15#post-10007339
@nijalninja (ABS 1/Standard Rims/Improved Body Rigidity) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...gn-ups-available.314917/page-16#post-10012485

Honda Civic SiR -II (EG) '91:

@Ridox2JZGTE (ABS 0/Standard Rims/Improved Body Rigidity) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...sign-ups-available.314917/page-8#post-9976412
@ImToLegitToQuit (ABS 1/+1" Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/tunes/fitt-challenge-civic-sir-ii.634/
@krenkme (ABS 1/Standard Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ign-ups-available.314917/page-12#post-9991626
@randyrockstiff (ABS 1/Standard Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ign-ups-available.314917/page-14#post-9997419

Mitsubishi GTO SR '95:

@xande1959 (ABS 1/Standard Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...sign-ups-available.314917/page-7#post-9972504
@DolHaus (ABS 1/Standard Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ign-ups-available.314917/page-12#post-9991921
@shaunm80 (ABS 1/+1" Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...w-seasonal-setups.300860/page-60#post-9973890

Toyota MR2 1600 G '86

@Otaliema (ABS 1/+1" Rims/Improved Body Rigidity) http://silverdragongaming.com/GranTurismo/viewtopic.php?f=607&t=598
@Gino Caberlin (ABS 1/+2" Rims/Improved Body Rigidity) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/ginos-garage.305436/page-11#post-9986633
@praiano63 (ABS 1/+2" Rims/Custom Wing) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...00-stealth-model.291084/page-106#post-9967579
@brian wolf (ABS 1/Standard Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/tunes/toyota-mr2-1600-g-86-420pp-abs-1.629/
@Lionheart2113 (ABS 1/+2" Rims/Improved Body Rigidity/Custom Wing) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...sign-ups-available.314917/page-9#post-9977071
@Ronald6 (ABS 1/+2" Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...gn-ups-available.314917/page-16#post-10012482

@NEWDRIVER2
@Lewis_Hamilton_
@Jakedog23

Road Racers:

RE Amemiya FD3S RX7

@ImToLegitToQuit (ABS 1/Standard Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/tunes/fitt-chanllenge-re-amemiya-rx-7.636/
@Lionheart2113 (ABS 1/Standard Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...sign-ups-available.314917/page-6#post-9970533
@DolHaus (ABS 1/Standard Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...gn-ups-available.314917/page-15#post-10010183
@xande1959 (ABS 1/Standard Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...sign-ups-available.314917/page-9#post-9977195
@Gino Caberlin RX7 (ABS 1/Standard Rims/Improved Body Rigidity) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/ginos-garage.305436/page-11#post-9986670

Honda Integra Type R (DC5) Touring Car '04

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR Touring Car '05

@sinof1337 (ABS 1/Standard Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...gn-ups-available.314917/page-15#post-10008092
@787bcgr (ABS 1/Standard Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...gn-ups-available.314917/page-15#post-10007339
@CyKosis1973 (ABS 1/Standard Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...-updated-02-08-14.291743/page-25#post-9981837
@Otaliema (ABS 1/+1" Rims) http://silverdragongaming.com/GranTurismo/viewtopic.php?f=596&t=599
@randyrockstiff (ABS 1/Standard Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ign-ups-available.314917/page-14#post-9997837

Acura NSX LM Race Car '91

@Bowtie-muscle (ABS 1/Standard Rims) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ign-ups-available.314917/page-12#post-9989609
@Ridox2JZGTE (ABS 0/Standard Rims/Improved Body Rigidity) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...sign-ups-available.314917/page-8#post-9977019
@shaunm80 (ABS 1/Standard Rims)https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...w-seasonal-setups.300860/page-60#post-9973892
@MrGrado (ABS 0/Standard Rims/Improved Body Rigidity)https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...gn-ups-available.314917/page-15#post-10009964

@Lewis_Hamilton_
@Jakedog23
@NEWDRIVER2

DolHaus · Aug 6, 2014

Testers

DolHaus · Aug 6, 2014

Results

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i48EVFZ2v5mT_vipGau7RQQeADe_AZjwJPdyjYSnH9w/edit?usp=sharing

Street Classics

Eiger Norwand Fastest Lap:

1:18.471 by @praiano63 driving @Lionheart2113 's MR2

Deep Forrest Raceway Fastest Lap:

1:33.929 by @praiano63 driving his own MR2

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...u7RQQeADe_AZjwJPdyjYSnH9w/edit#gid=1454612863

Road Racers

Special Stage Route 5 Fastest Lap:

1:26.959 by @Lionheart2113 driving his own RX7

Twin Ring Motegi East Fastest Lap:

1:26.996 @gtmetacrisis driving @Bowtie-muscle 's NSX

Ronald6 · Aug 6, 2014

Count me in! I'll tune and test. Once I find out which tracks we're running on and what the specs for the cars are.

DolHaus · Aug 6, 2014

Ronald6
Count me in! I'll tune and test. Once I find out which tracks we're running on and what the specs for the cars are.

One class is finished and I'll get the other one written up tomorrow 👍

Ronald6 · Aug 6, 2014

You had me at AE86.

My first car was a '77 Toyota Corolla Liftback. Basically a Sprinter. Loved it. Drove it for about six years (wow, that long? Didn't realize it.) till some guy T'd me in the ice. I didn't know what I had. Can't wait to get back into this car for a while, even if it is only virtual.
👍 👍

xande1959 · Aug 6, 2014

can count on me love these events so I do not help much as the others, testers will have to spend the savings. :cheers:

👍

Ridox2JZGTE · Aug 6, 2014

@DolHaus : The MR2 is listed at MR2 1600 G '86, does this means the G limited also included ? Now I'm trying to pick which one I should enter, I have AE86, EG6 and MR2 replicas made, all of them are on the same pace in lap times on 420PP

About ABS, I always listed both ABS 0 and ABS 1 brake balance recommendation on all of my tune/replica, what if the testers encounter problems because the brake balance I set for ABS 0 is too high for him as he used different input device ( DFGT pedals ) ? Mmmmm, maybe I should stick ABS 1 on testers or use very low BB at possible brake performance loss just to be safe

DolHaus · Aug 6, 2014

Ridox2JZGTE
@DolHaus : The MR2 is listed at MR2 1600 G '86, does this means the G limited also included ? Now I'm trying to pick which one I should enter, I have AE86, EG6 and MR2 replicas made, all of them are on the same pace in lap times on 420PP

About ABS, I always listed both ABS 0 and ABS 1 brake balance recommendation on all of my tune/replica, what if the testers encounter problems because the brake balance I set for ABS 0 is too high for him as he used different input device ( DFGT pedals ) ? Mmmmm, maybe I should stick ABS 1 on testers or use very low BB at possible brake performance loss just to be safe

Only the cars listed are available, no model variances to save confusion. I believe you can put a supercharger on it anyway so its not like you lose anything.

ABS is optional, you may only enter one brake bias selection though (if you could clearly highlight which one that would be great). If you choose ABS 0 and the testers keep locking up the brakes and post poor times/scores then that was your choice to make, there will be no retests or second opinions because of it. I am simply leaving it as an option if people want to use it or think it alters the way the car performs enough to be worth the risk. 👍

Gino Caberlin · Aug 6, 2014

Count on me for tuning!

Ridox2JZGTE · Aug 6, 2014

DolHaus
Only the cars listed are available, no model variances to save confusion. I believe you can put a supercharger on it anyway so its not like you lose anything.

ABS is optional, you may only enter one brake bias selection though (if you could clearly highlight which one that would be great). If you choose ABS 0 and the testers keep locking up the brakes and post poor times/scores then that was your choice to make, there will be no retests or second opinions because of it. I am simply leaving it as an option if people want to use it or think it alters the way the car performs enough to be worth the risk. 👍

Cool, will make sure the brake balance is good

Motor City Hami · Aug 6, 2014

I will only tune the best looking car. Cannot believe that I have not tuned that car yet in GT6. I built three of them in GT5.

Otaliema · Aug 6, 2014

Count me for tester both groups.
Tune; Street Classics for sure and if I have time I'll do the Road Racers.

DolHaus · Aug 6, 2014

Motor City Hami
I will only tune the best looking car. Cannot believe that I have not tuned that car yet in GT6. I built three of them in GT5.

Which do you consider best looking?

As a general note to everyone, I might change the due dates a little bit so don't feel like you have to rush

ImToLegitToQuit · Aug 6, 2014

I would like tuner in both please

Motor City Hami · Aug 6, 2014

DolHaus
Which do you consider best looking?

Well, the one that looks the best. :boggled:

Ronald6 · Aug 6, 2014

Motor City Hami
Well, the one that looks the best.

Obviously it's the MR2.

...

Edit:
Are aftermarket wheels and are permitted?
Improved rigidity?

DolHaus · Aug 6, 2014

Motor City Hami
Well, the one that looks the best.

Hmm... could be the melted wine gum appeal of the civic? Or maybe the "We've only got one tool and its a straight-edge" design philosophy of the MR2 floats your boat? Perhaps the early 90's porn producer look of the GTO? Then again the "Make it look like every hatchback ever" look of the AE86 could be the apple of your eye? :lol:

Ronald6
Obviously it's the MR2.

...

Edit:
Are aftermarket wheels and are permitted?
Improved rigidity?

If they could have drawn the wheels with a ruler then they would have :lol:

Yes/Yes 👍

NEWDRIVER2 · Aug 6, 2014

Hello All ,
Count me in as a tuner please 👍

ND

Lionheart2113 · Aug 6, 2014

Tuner for the Road Racers please. Will try and get some playing time this weekend to see about the Street Classics:tup:

DolHaus · Aug 6, 2014

Ronald6
Count me in! I'll tune and test. Once I find out which tracks we're running on and what the specs for the cars are.

xande1959
can count on me love these events so I do not help much as the others, testers will have to spend the savings.👍

Gino Caberlin
Count on me for tuning!

NEWDRIVER2
Hello All ,
Count me in as a tuner please 👍

ND

Please specify whether you would like to tune one or both classes? 👍

NEWDRIVER2 · Aug 6, 2014

DolHaus
Please specify whether you would like to tune one or both classes? 👍

Both classes please 👍

ND

Bowtie-muscle · Aug 6, 2014

Put me down for Racer Tuner
Classic Tester tentatively
Classic Tuner possibly.
Will do my best to test the Classic if time permits, Lord willing.

Ridox2JZGTE · Aug 6, 2014

Acura NSX LM 517PP, damn :grumpy:

, my Team Kunimitsu GT2 NSX replica is 518PP, 1PP too much :lol:

Otaliema · Aug 6, 2014

Ridox2JZGTE
Acura NSX LM 517PP, damn , my Team Kunimitsu GT2 NSX replica is 518PP, 1PP too much

nothign a couple clicks on the PL wont fix or if yoru ballasted a few clicks forward.

xande1959 · Aug 6, 2014

- I want to attend all classes and do all tests may pass in a.lol :cheers:

👍

Ridox2JZGTE · Aug 6, 2014

Otaliema
nothign a couple clicks on the PL wont fix or if yoru ballasted a few clicks forward.

Yeah, 1HP or 1kg may be enough

I may experiment with closer distribution to real life by adding ballast, even though the stock weight is already higher than the actual GT2.