Gran Turismo 7 Spec III is Now Available: Two Tracks, Eight Cars, New Features

[hyperspeed980]

I love how the plane flying over the track is an A380 with Etihad's livery, Abu Dhabi flagship carrier, nice touch. View attachment 1491106
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Absolutely adore GT for the little details like this. Ditto for the stunt planes that fly over at the start of some races being the actual planes used in that country.

It's a completely pointless detail for 99.9% of the playerbase, but the fact it's even there is just... marvelous.

 

[lafouine75]

Everyone has their own opinions, but hardly anyone cares about what an AI writes. It's often pure nonsense and simply not interesting for a forum. If you have an opinion, share your own thoughts and don't use AI to backup your arguments. That's fair enough, no?


Cars and tracks are what people expect from a content update, as it is what every content update always had (tracks not really, but you get my point).
Talking about the topics you wrote (with the exception of physics, since that at least has some precedence with big content updates) would be similar to wishlisting. Outside of the content and features we know for sure will be in the Spec III update, anything else is completely unknown.
Is it really useful to discuss a feature/change that most likely will not be implemented, instead of talking about the things we know are coming in Spec III and how they will be implemented?

It doesn’t make sense. Talking about the cars or tracks you’d like to see in the game is just making a wish list, and you do it constantly in every news thread, even though I agree with you that it’s pointless. I didn’t think it was forbidden on the forum to use AI to support my thoughts. I understand now that this form of expression is not allowed.

 

[Famine]

On top of that, I find it a shame that the only topic people discuss with each update is the new cars and tracks, and that for 47 pages. Personally, I expect more varied discussions, like I mentioned earlier: HUD improvements, physics, bug fixes, telemetry evolution…

Nothing like that has been announced for Spec III - and nothing has been reported on the first two from those who have tried it. Any discussion would thus be baseless speculation and wishlisting.

Additionally, if ChatGPT wants to make an account here so we can hear its opinion - which it doesn't have; it just expresses the most likely phrases from the data upon which it's trained, with the occasional hallucination - then it is welcome to do so. Then I can tell it that one of its basic premises in that load you posted is wrong. It's a commonly held opinion (which is why it states it), but it is demonstrably wrong.

Otherwise, it's preferred you post your own thoughts instead of being a proxy. Then we're all discussing what each other thinks, rather than the site degenerating into a load of LLMs regurgitating nonsense at each other and reinforcing it.

 

[tonidavid5]

Personally, I wouldn’t dare to think for others…

So you believe we shouldn't tell you what your thoughts are about the game but you're also of the opinion it's totally fine to tell us what that A.I. thinks about it? So much for reciprocity! Huh!!!!

As other colleagues have already told you, this forum is about human interaction, not about chatGPT analysis. We couldn't care less about it here. The only A.I we care for here is that of Reggie or Sophy and only when they do their talking by competing against us, human drivers, in the game

All the points you have expressed about the game may be fine and legit to expose them in the forum (there may be better threads for some of them, though), and if your A.I. shares the same analysis as you, good for you, just don't need to tell us here you feel any more empowered (or any less) by your thought process being backed up by that of your chatty AI friend.

 

[SSfox]

Adding tracks is nice, but if they're gonna only make events around it with only 60k~100k or some joke money I'm just gonna try it 2 or 3 times and I'll go back to lemans/Sardegna/Tokyo.

I hope they're smart enought already to have thought about adding good worthy races and events around the new tracks, heck they should even do it with old tracks, specially the legendary ones like Nurburgring.

 

[SoulSilvera]

It doesn’t make sense. Talking about the cars or tracks you’d like to see in the game is just making a wish list, and you do it constantly in every news thread, even though I agree with you that it’s pointless.

I assume the "you" in your response is referring to the people that make wishlists masked as "predictions", and not me specifically, as I'm fairly certain I've never done wishlists before.

Either way, if you take a quick look at update threads you will quickly see that wishlists and speculation, in general, gets "shot down". As you say, it's pointless to wishlist. It often only benefits a minority of people....

Since the game’s release, the HUD has been bothering me. Why not improve the display of tire overheating, which is barely visible even on a 75-inch screen? A color change on the tires would work much better. Why not let us select only what we want to display so the screen doesn’t get cluttered?


Also, since we have wind indicators, I would have liked to feel its impact in the driving physics. I would have liked effects on vegetation, and to finish an endurance race with a dirty car. It would feel more believable, especially since the game even includes a car-washing feature.

 

[DS13_supergt]

I love how the plane flying over the track is an A380 with Etihad's livery, Abu Dhabi flagship carrier, nice touch. View attachment 1491106
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It's even following a realistic route💀

 

[hyperspeed980]

Adding tracks is nice, but if they're gonna only make events around it with only 60k~100k or some joke money I'm just gonna try it 2 or 3 times and I'll go back to lemans/Sardegna/Tokyo.

I hope they're smart enought already to have thought about adding good worthy races and events around the new tracks, heck they should even do it with old tracks, specially the legendary ones like Nurburgring.

Luckily, Gran Turismo 7 is an open sandbox that allows the player to do a wide variety of things, not just endlessly grind the most efficient events until they become little more than a husk.

Once you realise this, you will have a far more pleasant experience playing the game, believe me!

It's even following a realistic route💀View attachment 1491117

New track location... confirmed...?

 

[Johnny Caisse]

Will more details about Circuit de Gilles Villeneuve be revealed later on?

 

[GlamFM]

Will more details about Circuit de Gilles Villeneuve be revealed later on?

The event is over, no?

I guess that closes the door on that.

 

[lafouine75]

Nothing like that has been announced for Spec III - and nothing has been reported on the first two from those who have tried it. Any discussion would thus be baseless speculation and wishlisting.

Additionally, if ChatGPT wants to make an account here so we can hear its opinion - which it doesn't have; it just expresses the most likely phrases from the data upon which it's trained, with the occasional hallucination - then it is welcome to do so. Then I can tell it that one of its basic premises in that load you posted is wrong. It's a commonly held opinion (which is why it states it), but it is demonstrably wrong.

Otherwise, it's preferred you post your own thoughts instead of being a proxy. Then we're all discussing what each other thinks, rather than the site degenerating into a load of LLMs regurgitating nonsense at each other and reinforcing it.

If I may, AI does not think; it does not reason either. It only synthesizes the statements most frequently made by humans on the web. It can certainly hallucinate at times and produce an illogical synthesis, but in this case, that is not what happened with what I published. Moreover, I was not trying to deceive anyone since I clearly indicated that it was a synthesis from ChatGPT (i.e., statements massively published by humans on the web, even though I am being told here that 99% of players don’t think that way). AI can distinguish between human statements published online and statements generated by AI, especially if they are tagged.


When it comes to expressing my own ideas, I did so just before and after. I don’t know anyone on this forum, and I harbor no animosity toward anyone. I wasn’t aware that there was a kind of taboo around AI here. I am a technology expert, and for me it is natural to use it daily; I don’t see it as the devil, and I try to use it wisely while being aware of its limitations.


Apparently, I wanted to advance the discussion here regarding what an annual update should be, considering the current state of the game, and I should have kept quiet and done it elsewhere. If we are only supposed to talk about what is already known, then I have nothing more to add. I’ll leave you to your discussions.

 

[Famine]

If I may, AI does not think; it does not reason either.

Yeah, I know. I also said something very similar in my post:

Additionally, if ChatGPT wants to make an account here so we can hear its opinion - which it doesn't have; it just expresses the most likely phrases from the data upon which it's trained

It can certainly hallucinate at times and produce an illogical synthesis, but in this case, that is not what happened with what I published.

Nonetheless, it has repeated something that isn't true as a fundamental component of its output (again, due to its nature and referred to in my post) and you have accepted that it is accurate despite it not being so.

Then I can tell it that one of its basic premises in that load you posted is wrong. It's a commonly held opinion (which is why it states it), but it is demonstrably wrong.

I wasn’t aware that there was a kind of taboo around AI here.

There isn't. However there's not much value to a person making a post that is 99.5% not actually them but a word cloud with grammar.

Apparently, I wanted to advance the discussion here regarding what an annual update should be, considering the current state of the game, and I should have kept quiet and done it elsewhere. If we are only supposed to talk about what is already known, then I have nothing more to add. I’ll leave you to your discussions.

This is a weird paragraph, considering that what you advanced with ChatGPT (the thing that's being pointed out to you) wasn't about this or any other update (also "annual"? No thanks) and you've concluded with something that nobody said to you in any way.

 

[KAlex122]

If we are only supposed to talk about what is already known,

What else can AI add to the conversation if not what's already known/discussed?

 

[lafouine75]

What else can AI add to the conversation if not what's already known/discussed?

A summary of what players think through their posts can be made, yes? That doesn’t make it a truth, I agree, but we can’t dehumanize the reasoning that led to those posts on the grounds that the summary was created by the AI. Based on my own knowledge and reading, I reach the same summary. Does it have more value in your eyes than the one made by the AI, which is based on far more data?


As for the issue I mentioned at the start, which concerns the game’s lack of optimization, I think it’s insurmountable for Polyphony. Why? Because this problem was already present in GT Sport, and we’re seeing the exact same issues in GT7, which shares much of the same code. The performance problems in resolution mode, the clipping issues in the mirrors, the helicopters that pop in like magic, and many other things all show that this is a game limited by the PS4’s hardware. And it means I’m not likely to fully enjoy it on the PS5 Pro anytime soon.

 

[SSfox]

Luckily, Gran Turismo 7 is an open sandbox that allows the player to do a wide variety of things, not just endlessly grind the most efficient events until they become little more than a husk.

Once you realise this, you will have a far more pleasant experience playing the game, believe me!

New track location... confirmed...?

I understand, but until I get all the cars money grind will be my priority.

 

[GlamFM]

Does it have more value in your eyes than the one made by the AI

always yes.

 

[Boxout]

Does it have more value in your eyes than the one made by the AI, which is based on far more data?

I come to forums to read the takes of other humans, if I wanted an AI summary I would go to ChatGPT myself and prompt it there.
So definitely, your own opinions even if they come out clumsy and messy have way more value than an AI summary.

 

[benjoi84]

I understand, but until I get all the cars money grind will be my priority.

When do you expect to begin ENJOYING what the game has to offer, though?

 

[lafouine75]

Be at least a little honest. You wouldn’t have given any credibility to what I said, and I think there would have been no response, no debate at all. You dislike my post, but at least it sparked an exchange.

By analogy, I don’t see the point of giving someone who is suffering eight new cars and two houses. I actually think they would deserve care instead. Improving the game experience through optimization, developing new game modes, and adding meaningful challenges would be far better. Sometimes adding new content can help improve a game, but for example, if you’re going to add a new track, you might as well make the existing vehicles useful. I’m thinking of the many legendary vehicles that don’t benefit from any historic track, or the kart that doesn’t have a karting circuit.

A mediocre game with 1,000 cars and 300 tracks will still be a mediocre game. Content is secondary.

 

[GlamFM]

Be at least a little honest. You wouldn’t have given any credibility to what I said, and I think there would have been no response, no debate at all. You dislike my post, but at least it sparked an exchange.

By analogy, I don’t see the point of giving someone who is suffering eight new cars and two houses. I actually think they would deserve care instead. Improving the game experience through optimization, developing new game modes, and adding meaningful challenges would be far better. Sometimes adding new content can help improve a game, but for example, if you’re going to add a new track, you might as well make the existing vehicles useful. I’m thinking of the many legendary vehicles that don’t benefit from any historic track, or the kart that doesn’t have a karting circuit.

A mediocre game with 1,000 cars and 300 tracks will still be a mediocre game. Content is secondary.

God you're so full of yourself. Unbearable. Unleash your nonsense on ChatGPT and help it become an even more useless tool.

 

[RetroVelocity]

How much did OpenAI pay you to plug their software on unrelated websites

 

[benjoi84]

I guess ChatGPT didn't let you know that this trail is well-trodden in this forum

Be at least a little honest. You wouldn’t have given any credibility to what I said, and I think there would have been no response, no debate at all. You dislike my post, but at least it sparked an exchange.

By analogy, I don’t see the point of giving someone who is suffering eight new cars and two houses. I actually think they would deserve care instead. Improving the game experience through optimization, developing new game modes, and adding meaningful challenges would be far better. Sometimes adding new content can help improve a game, but for example, if you’re going to add a new track, you might as well make the existing vehicles useful. I’m thinking of the many legendary vehicles that don’t benefit from any historic track, or the kart that doesn’t have a karting circuit.

A mediocre game with 1,000 cars and 300 tracks will still be a mediocre game. Content is secondary.

 

[Dave A]

Be at least a little honest. You wouldn’t have given any credibility to what I said, and I think there would have been no response, no debate at all. You dislike my post, but at least it sparked an exchange.

By analogy, I don’t see the point of giving someone who is suffering eight new cars and two houses. I actually think they would deserve care instead. Improving the game experience through optimization, developing new game modes, and adding meaningful challenges would be far better. Sometimes adding new content can help improve a game, but for example, if you’re going to add a new track, you might as well make the existing vehicles useful. I’m thinking of the many legendary vehicles that don’t benefit from any historic track, or the kart that doesn’t have a karting circuit.

A mediocre game with 1,000 cars and 300 tracks will still be a mediocre game. Content is secondary.

Except the exchange it sparked has less to do with the Gran Turismo Spec III and more to do with the value of dumping AI output into the forums to backup your opinion. Just give us your opinion and it will spark discussion or not based on its own merit.

 

[AmyUD06]

Be at least a little honest. You wouldn’t have given any credibility to what I said, and I think there would have been no response, no debate at all. You dislike my post, but at least it sparked an exchange.

So you're just engagement farming? Please, keep digging your hole.

 

[SSfox]

When do you expect to begin ENJOYING what the game has to offer, though?

I am enjoying already amigo

 

[Talon16]

 

[ZevZoq]

A summary of what players think through their posts can be made, yes? That doesn’t make it a truth, I agree, but we can’t dehumanize the reasoning that led to those posts on the grounds that the summary was created by the AI. Based on my own knowledge and reading, I reach the same summary. Does it have more value in your eyes than the one made by the AI, which is based on far more data?


As for the issue I mentioned at the start, which concerns the game’s lack of optimization, I think it’s insurmountable for Polyphony. Why? Because this problem was already present in GT Sport, and we’re seeing the exact same issues in GT7, which shares much of the same code. The performance problems in resolution mode, the clipping issues in the mirrors, the helicopters that pop in like magic, and many other things all show that this is a game limited by the PS4’s hardware. And it means I’m not likely to fully enjoy it on the PS5 Pro anytime soon.

I don't see why any of the issues you refer to are due to the game being "limited" by the PS4's hardware. If we're assuming they are all issues related to processing power, then they could all be resolved by simply changing setttings in the code. If the game is on a PS5 Pro the "Draw Distance" setting is maxed out while on the PS4 it's set at 60% or something as an example. Instead of the Helicopter popping in like it does now, if you're on a PS5 Pro it's drawn well before it appears on screen. I don't think there's any reason to believe many issues with the game are due to backwards compatibility. I mean it's no different really than PC gaming - most games on PC are "backwards compatible." They just run like garbage on weaker systems. They aren't "held back" by that...

 

[lafouine75]

Realize that what makes all of you react isn’t the substance at all, but the way it’s expressed. You demonize AI no matter what the actual message is. Or maybe it really is the substance that bothers you, and you attack the form just to distract from it? You can delete all my posts, because your only goal was to reach that point, not to have an intelligent debate about the actual issue. Your statements are quite telling, and I’ll keep that in mind.

 

[Pakiti]

Adding tracks is nice, but if they're gonna only make events around it with only 60k~100k or some joke money I'm just gonna try it 2 or 3 times and I'll go back to lemans/Sardegna/Tokyo.

I hope they're smart enought already to have thought about adding good worthy races and events around the new tracks, heck they should even do it with old tracks, specially the legendary ones like Nurburgring.

I want to support you. After reaching level 50, your interest in the game drops significantly. You don't have to complete missions, just play the same old races: Le Mans/Sardegna/Tokyo, to earn money for cars, 80% of which you won't drive. I'm about to express a scary thought, but I think GT has too many cars. In my opinion, it's not the fact that there are only three Gnocchi tracks that allow you to earn decent money, but the imbalance: on one track you can earn 700k in 30 minutes, while on another, equally challenging track in Suzuka, you can only earn 225k in the same 30 minutes.
I was wondering if it would be possible to do some kind of survey: how many cars from your garage have you used in the last three months?

 

[lafouine75]

I don't see why any of the issues you refer to are due to the game being "limited" by the PS4's hardware. If we're assuming they are all issues related to processing power, then they could all be resolved by simply changing setttings in the code. If the game is on a PS5 Pro the "Draw Distance" setting is maxed out while on the PS4 it's set at 60% or something as an example. Instead of the Helicopter popping in like it does now, if you're on a PS5 Pro it's drawn well before it appears on screen. I don't think there's any reason to believe many issues with the game are due to backwards compatibility. I mean it's no different really than PC gaming - most games on PC are "backwards compatible." They just run like garbage on weaker systems. They aren't "held back" by that...

I’m willing to take your word for it, but then why don’t they do it if it’s so simple? What’s the point of leaving the game in this state, especially on the PS5 Pro, which is supposed to be their flagship? Once again, I’m not claiming to hold the truth, but to me it’s the only credible explanation for why nothing is improving on that front, even though, as you say, it should be easy if the problem isn’t the PS4.