Time Trial Discussion

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  1. NekoPufferPPP

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    The one thing I hate about Group C cars in time trials is how every user with a shifter i.e. a clutch gains a massive advantage from much shorter shift times. Quite literally pay-to-win lol.

    Why can't we bind a clutch button to the controller or a button on the wheel?... Why can the default shift time for H-pattern racecars be avoided with the use of a clutch and shifter?...
     
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  3. compaqrat

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    But no use of clutch is daily races where it should be allowed.
     
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  4. 05XR8

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    Any Gr.1 car. The Audi R18 is the one to use. I prefer the Group C cars.
     
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  5. LeGeNd-1

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    Thinking up 2 new combos every 2 weeks is too much work for PD it seems. I sure do hope this is not the trend going forwards.

    The difference only matters if you're gunning for that #1 spot though. Let's say each shift gains you 0.01 second. In the daily race C a few weeks ago we had the same combo and I counted 19 upshifts, so it would only make ~0.2 second of a difference over a lap. With a Group C it would be less because it only has 5 gears, and you're more likely to hold a higher gear through a corner because the gears are so long anyway. Driving with the h-shifter is also a lot harder coordination wise (esp during downshifts). I know that if I use a shifter, I would actually end up slower than paddles because I lose more time during corner entry phase fumbling with the clutch/shifts, than I gain on acceleration.



    If you're really that concerned though, lifting off the gas while upshifting does make the gear shift delay a bit shorter. Not as fast as using h-shifter, but definitely easier to do ;)
     
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  6. fordlaser

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    I think what is happening here is that PD is putting more effort into GT7.
     
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  7. LeGeNd-1

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    Can't fault them for doing that, but surely they can spare one guy 10 minutes every 2 weeks thinking up and setting up the TT events? It's not the most time intensive effort but at least it gives something to the community. Or better still they can just write a script to randomise this. With the amount of cars and tracks in the game even if we have weekly TTs we still wouldn't run out of new combos for many many years...

    337 cars x 76 layouts (excluding rally) = 25,612 combinations

    If we have 2x time trials that changes every day, we would run out of combos in... *drum roll* ... 35 YEARS :lol:

    But yeah, that's too hard for PD.
     
  8. fordlaser

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    If PD spare one guy 10 minutes every 2 weeks for GT Sport TT events, then GT7 will get further delayed and we don't want that to happen.
     
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  9. LeGeNd-1

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    Highly unlikely in a company of their size. And the guy setting up the TT events, are unlikely to be involved in product planning and car/track modelling for GT7 (which would make up the bulk of GT7 development time). His or her main job is probably setting up the daily races, FIA races, TT and MiEx items list. So he doesn't really have anything to do with GT7 until it's released anyway.
     
  10. fordlaser

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    All staff for GT7 and that I think is why we get 1 Time Trial every 2 weeks from now on, but I hope it's not the case mate for GT Sport.
     
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  11. v8_pursuit

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    So, here's my two cents for the current TT to gain here or there some time. I'm about 4 seconds behind the top guys. This is what I fiddled out so far...

    First: At the beginning of each try. Don't touch the throttle until the Start-Finish-Line. You will waste the electric power of the Audi.

    Second: Eau Rouge goes full throttle. Even for a DS4-Player like me. This gained the most time for me.

    Third: As always, slow in fast out.... easier said than done. That's my current problem to get it all together in a single lap....
     
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  12. xtrax

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    Not completely sure but i think same happened in the past with gt6 , some months before GTsport, PD proposed only one tt event instead of two
     
  13. MidnightRun85

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    I've been having a go at this without using the META, taking the Gr1 car that's been used least distance each time I have a go. So far I've used the Peugeot L750R, the Alpine VGT, and McLaren VGT.

    Peugeot I managed a low 2:01:1XX but I think think more time I could easily knock 0.8-1.0s off that time. It feels planted and stable but didn't feel like it has the legs to challenge to top spots.

    In the Alpine I only managed a 2:01:8XX and again I think I could knock some time out of that, but not a lot really. It's slow on the long straights, but it can break really late - need to learn the braking points in it and I think it could maybe slip under 2:01 in my hands.

    Just had a bunch of laps in the McLaren this morning, half of which were shocking. Very unstable and difficult to control at times, but feels much quicker than the Peugeot. I got a time just under 2:01, but only just. I think with some more laps under my belt I could get that under 2:00 once I learn the throttle control and best lines for it.

    In these three sessions I've learned a lot about the track, and particularly three sections of the track where I can make or lose a lot of time.

    Firstly Eau Rouge. The line through here is so crucial and getting the first turning point spot on makes such a difference to your lap time.

    Then Bruxelles and turn 11, where I've managed to find over 1s on a couple of laps.

    Then finally Stavelot to set you up for the run to the final chicane. Just getting the right exit to get a good bit of speed out and into 16 makes a massive difference!

    I'll keep working through my Gr1 cars each time I have a go. I'm never going to challenge the top of the leaderboard so it's just fun learning the circuit and different cars at the same time!
     
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    I think they went from 2 weeks to 4 weeks and they where repeated Time Trials back then my friend.

    Hi @v8_pursuit I like the R18, but I am way behind your good time at the moment, and my sore back is way better now. Now I can spend heaps more time playing GT Sport, than just spending a short time playing every day because of my back.
     
  15. v8_pursuit

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    Keep going mate. You're usually a bit faster than me. Without the back-issues you should get me in a couple of days. :cheers:
     
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    I will give it a go mate but some how I have lost some of my speed that I want, and I will see my physio soon and after that perhaps I may get some of my speed back I hope :).
     
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  19. oooMaXimumooo

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    Does anyone have advice on how to maximize the use of the battery? Early breaking? Early shifting? Hard breaking? I try to maximize the charge before the lap starts. Always need to remind myself to break right away to not wast it. Any advice is appreciated.
     
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  20. xtrax

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    After "La source" and the straight line before "eau rouge" you must try to keep a minimum of battery and not have used it completely, otherwise you will run out of battery to accelerate in the straight line before "pouhon".

    so to try saving some battery at the start, i try to early shift 2 and 3 , to avoid skidding the wheels. I also set BB to 2/3 to have the car to turn more easily.

    But it's more easy to said than to do it , i succeed to do it only once on two or 3 attempts, so if anybody have other advices to save the battery, they are welcome.
     
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  21. oooMaXimumooo

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    It ain’t much but it is honest work.:) A lot to gain. The change that gained the most was changing the gear box to control the power. For the Porsche.


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  22. v8_pursuit

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    As I posted before, right after the start of each lap you should only brake into the chicane. To stabilize the car through the chicane and to get it straight for the start-finish-line you can give about half throttle without using battery. Battery is only used if you go nearly full throttle. You can see this at the little red arrow under the battery indicator.
    Then, when you are straight after the chicane, don´t go "bam" full throttle but increase it more gradually to prevent wheelspin. Brake into La Source using the same technique. This way I´m about a half car-length behind the top ghost before Eau Rouge, mainly because my poorer line through La Source and the top guy beginning to accelerete a bit earlier.

    Best results for me for regaining electric power are: Hard/full braking before the turn then braking lightly until the apex and then gradually increasing throttle as stated before. But remember, I´m using DS4 with sticks and automatic gears, so maybe there are better ways if you use a wheel and manual. By the way I cracked the 1:58 and my best so far is 1:57,992s.

    The rest is said by @MidnightRun85:

     
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    Many thanks for the tune my friend :cheers: but I have lowered your weight a bit on the car, and there is still room for improvement for me.
    My Great Capture Screenshot 2021-02-17 09-51-03.png
     
  24. oooMaXimumooo

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    Good point. I lowered the %.
     
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    I found reducing your weight setting by 50% helped me a lot.
     
  26. seadog777

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    Thanks for the tips but what do you mean "Don't touch the throttle until the Start-Finish-Line"??

    I've tried your second tip after watching a replay of one of the Aliens...... gets me a 0.5 second penalty every time! :lol::cheers:
     
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  27. v8_pursuit

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    Hi @seadog777, by this I mean if you start a fast lap you´re a few seconds on auto pilot, then you get "start" and you take over. After this you drive to the starting line and the timer starts. Usually after the "start" I go full throttle to be as fast as possible. Here you could do this only shortly before you have to brake for the last chicane. But if you go full throttle, even for this short time, you will use more electric power of the battery than you gain by braking for the chicane. So the battery will have less power for accelerating to La Source and after that to Eau Rouge and in addition you will lose time. This means for the fastest possible time you have to start everytime from the auto pilot feature and you should not do consecutive laps because then you start with less battery.

    But as I stated later:
    Going Eau Rouge full throttle: It took me about 20 or 30 tries at the beginning before I was successful. Even now after many laps more I fail sometimes 4 or 5 times in a row. Like @MidnightRun85 said, the first turning point is crucial. If you turn in too late you fail and get a penalty.
     
  28. samsaoule

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    in fact, this TT looks like a "circuit experience" .........
    you have to do everything right from the first lap ...... you stop and start again......
    only the first lap really counts, except for those who are able to recharge the battery on the way........:bowdown:.......
    car otherwise, the second lap is necessarily slower.....:banghead:
    otherwise, there remains the 908......:lol:
    Google translation....
     
  29. MidnightRun85

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    Have you tried switching brake balance all the way to the back? Recharges the battery better...
     
  30. samsaoule

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    uh...to brake shorter, I was rather on -5.....:irked::lol:
    ok...so by setting it to +5, I'm going to lengthen the braking distance and therefore better recharge the battery......
    I'll try......thanks for the hose.......:cheers: